Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory on TruTv

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Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory on TruTv: 9/11 segment

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[creativedreams]

Very good show.

The part about how Nano-Thermite can be painted on is interesting.

Not sure if there is a connection but BOTH towers had ONLY a small section completed of new fireproofing replacement on a section of the steel support structures.

The fireproofing used was sprayed on 1 1/2" thick.

The inspection reports shortly before 9/11 stated they could not find the specifications for the type of fireproofing used.....I will dig this up again.

PLUS...the planes just happened to hit BOTH Towers exactly in the only part of each tower where the fireproofing upgrades were performed.

This reminds me that ALSO the plane hit the Pentagon in the ONLY part of the building under reinforcement construction upgrades.

 

[GHook93]

Let's examine Part 1 shall we:

Evidence 1: Jessica brings them to secured area (an investigation site) that won't let the press in? Especially one by the name of conspiracy theory. Amazing! An area of investigation of the biggest attack on America, not being allowed in. WOW what are the odds. Probably close to 100%. Opps.

Evidence 2: Willy Rod. A man who CLAIMS to have been their and escaped, yet there is no record of him or his BS interview. Yep that always has to mean its the government conspiracy and not a pathetic individual liar. Come on folks, if the US government killed 3K Americans (and start 2 wars), are they really going to let people like little Willy stay around to talk to stupid people like Jessica.

Evidence 3: A BYU liberal professor. First he offers no evidence other than what he preceives is building 7 falling like a controlled demolition. Wow solid evidence that it looks the same. That type of hypo wouldn't hold up in a highschool science project.

Second he says there bomb residue in the smoke. (1) He wasn't there. (2) He had no samples. (3) His hypo is based on only what he saw on TV. (4) Not to mention that the large materials from the falling buildings would dillute any bomb residue to a naked eye observation. Heck any 3rd grader could tell you that. Wow what a solid lead. Maybe this guy was let go because he is a quack.

 

[GHook93]

Examine it more:
A NM professor verifies the BYU story, by trying to compare a small fire to a giant airline crashing into a building. Yep that's an apples to apples comparison. There couldn't be nothing wrong in that theory and test. The NM hack didn't get any samples from 9/11 yet he knows everything. Spotty theory at best. He tries to compare a little experiment with an airline crashing into buildings. Yet he can make a right on conclusion! Come on this guy is worse than the BYU professor. I could get a few professors to testify that the sky is orange, that doesn't mean it is!

Next, talks to people who lost someone. They are great experts right?

Next, they cry about not being allowed into the investigation site! WOW that never happens. Heck the media can't even get into most small investigation sites, but Jessica cries foul about not being able to get into the largest in US history. Makes perfect sense.

The largest clean up in US history and Jessica complaints that the material was sent out and alot was recycled! OMG, what inhuman bastards. They recycled and cleaned up. Wait aren't Libtards supposed to be for that. What did Jessica want? Did he want them to leave a mess all over the city. That makes perfect sense.

Now you have Mike. Yep an average Joe like him would be witness to the big cover up. Then just by coicidence this Average Joe, know heads at the airlines and aviation department? OK that makes this Average Joe look creditable. Then he states sorry Jessica they were going to come, but backed out. Why because they fear for their lives. Yet a stroker like Mike is free do speak garbage to whoever will listen? Again if the government killed 3K why the hell would they not take out a stroker like Mike. Mike is as creditable as Eots.

The black box does have some legs, but not enough for one to jump to the conclusion that it was US government.

 

[GHook93]

That Jessica Ventura could be the governor of any state!

 

[eots]

Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation
August 21, 2007

Dr. Quintiere, one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, also encouraged his audience of fellow researchers and engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses. “I hope to convince you to perhaps become 'Conspiracy Theorists', but in a proper way,” he said.

In his hour-long presentation, Dr. Quintiere discussed many elements of NIST’s investigation that he found problematic. He emphasized, “In every investigation I’ve taken part in, the key has been to establish a timeline. And the timeline is established by witness accounts, by information from alarm systems, by any video that you might have of the event, and then by calculations. And you try to put all of this together. And if your calculations are consistent with some of these hard facts, then perhaps you can have some comfort in the results of your calculations. I have not seen a timeline placed in the NIST report


Dr. Quintiere said he originally “had high hopes” that NIST would do a good job with the investigation. “They’re the central government lab for fire. There are good people there and they can do a good job. But what I also thought they would do is to enlist the service of the ATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives], which has an investigation force and a laboratory of their own for fire. And I thought they would put people out on the street and get gumshoe-type information. What prevented all of this? I think it’s the legal structure that cloaks the Commerce Department and therefore NIST. And so, instead of lawyers as if they were acting on a civil case trying to get depositions and information subpoenaed, those lawyers did the opposite and blocked everything.”

Why were not alternative collapse hypotheses investigated and discussed as NIST had stated repeatedly that they would do? ...


Spoliation of a fire scene is a basis for destroying a legal case in an investigation. Most of the steel was discarded, although the key elements of the core steel were demographically labeled. A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have. Why hasn't NIST declared that this spoliation of the steel was a gross error?

In my opinion, the WTC investigation by NIST falls short of expectations by not definitively finding cause, by not sufficiently linking recommendations of specificity to cause, by not fully invoking all of their authority to seek facts in the investigation, and by the guidance of government lawyers to deter rather than develop fact finding.
OpEdNews - Page 2 of Article: Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

 

[eots]

Let's examine Part 1 shall we:

Evidence 1: Jessica brings them to secured area (an investigation site) that won't let the press in? Especially one by the name of conspiracy theory. Amazing! An area of investigation of the biggest attack on America, not being allowed in. WOW what are the odds. Probably close to 100%. Opps

lets examine ghook69 disingenuousness shall we..

the evidence is 8 years old,,the facts apparently known..6 years ago popular mechanics was in there given unprecedented access to the evidence not seen by the public yet years later governor navy seal cant see the same evidence..but that's OK

Evidence 2: Willy Rod. A man who CLAIMS to have been their and escaped, yet there is no record of him or his BS interview. Yep that always has to mean its the government conspiracy and not a pathetic individual liar. Come on folks, if the US government killed 3K Americans (and start 2 wars), are they really going to let people like little Willy stay around to talk to stupid people like Jessica.

now he slanders willy rodriguez and shows and diverts to strawman and shows his completely ignorance by his implications that willy is somehow alone in his testimony..or that there is no record of him ..when in fact he was honored by the president for his bravery that day and testified to the 9/11 commission

Evidence 3: A BYU liberal professor. First he offers no evidence other than what he preceives is building 7 falling like a controlled demolition. Wow solid evidence that it looks the same. That type of hypo wouldn't hold up in a highschool science project.

evidence of thernite was found in the residue and observation of speed and motion is a valid scientific observation

Second he says there bomb residue in the smoke. (1) He wasn't there. (2) He had no samples. (3) His hypo is based on only what he saw on TV. (4) Not to mention that the large materials from the falling buildings would dillute any bomb residue to a naked eye observation. Heck any 3rd grader could tell you that. Wow what a solid lead. Maybe this guy was let go because he is a quack

there are many samples and they have been peer reviewed both ignited and unignited nano thermite


wasn't that fun..

 

[GHook93]

the evidence is 8 years old,,the facts apparently known..6 years ago popular mechanics was in there given unprecedented access to the evidence not seen by the public yet years later governor navy seal cant see the same evidence..but that's OK

He wasn't going over their as a governor or navy seal. He was going over their as a traitorous conspiracy nut!

now he slanders willy rodriguez and shows and diverts to strawman and shows his completely ignorance by his implications that willy is somehow alone in his testimony..or that there is no record of him ..when in fact he was honored by the president for his bravery that day and testified to the 9/11 commission

They stated by the only smart one on the team, that they have no record of him testifying or working at the WCT! Just Big Willy saying he testified. Sorry, but I give the benefit of the doubt to the government over Big Willy.

evidence of thernite was found in the residue and observation of speed and motion is a valid scientific observation

According to who? Not this BYU and NM quack. They are going off their observations of the events from TV and not on examining the smoke. Sorry, but that doesn't cut it for me and anyone with a brain.

They are saying that constuction workers painted the entire building in thernite! Come on now, that is absolutely crazy!

there are many samples and they have been peer reviewed both ignited and unignited nano thermite

If there was, it was examined by these 2 quacks, because, if they did, they would have told Jessica. However, they didn't say they tested samples of anything because they didn't. Sorry but Jessica's 2 smoking guns are so flawed its amazing people can believe it!

wasn't that fun..

What was fun, other than realizing you need to readjust your tinfoil hat.

 

[eots]

GHook93;1796314]Examine it more:
A NM professor verifies the BYU story, by trying to compare a small fire to a giant airline crashing into a building. Yep that's an apples to apples comparison. There couldn't be nothing wrong in that theory and test. The NM hack didn't get any samples from 9/11 yet he knows everything. Spotty theory at best. He tries to compare a little experiment with an airline crashing into buildings. Yet he can make a right on conclusion! Come on this guy is worse than the BYU professor. I could get a few professors to testify that the sky is orange, that doesn't mean it is

this rambling discourse speaks for itself and is not worth comment

Next, talks to people who lost someone. They are great experts right? :doubt

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now he slanders the family who are indeed experts on the fact that the investigation was flawed a cover-up and did not answer their questions

Next, they cry about not being allowed into the investigation site! WOW that never happens. Heck the media can't even get into most small investigation sites, but Jessica cries foul about not being able to get into the largest in US history. Makes perfect sense.

yet again many other media sources telling the story they wanted toldhave been and there never had national security clerence levels of a govener and navy seal

The largest clean up in US history and Jessica complaints that the material was sent out and alot was recycled! OMG, what inhuman bastards. They recycled and cleaned up. Wait aren't Libtards supposed to be for that. What did Jessica want? Did he want them to leave a mess all over the city. That makes perfect sense.

then he tries to justify the spoliation of a crime scene a fact that deeply disturbed the honest NIST investigators and ignores the fact the materials could of just as easily been moved and contained until needed as shipped overseas

Now you have Mike. Yep an average Joe like him would be witness to the big cover up. Then just by coicidence this Average Joe, know heads at the airlines and aviation department? OK that makes this Average Joe look creditable. Then he states sorry Jessica they were going to come, but backed out. Why because they fear for their lives. Yet a stroker like Mike is free do speak garbage to whoever will listen? Again if the government killed 3K why the hell would they not take out a stroker like Mike. Mike is as creditable as Eots.

The black box does have some legs, but not enough for one to jump to the conclusion that it was US government

ghook69 has about as much credibility as the ADL

 

[eots]

He wasn't going over their as a governor or navy seal. He was going over their as a traitorous conspiracy nut!

NOW HE SHOWS HIS TRUE COLORS..

They stated by the only smart one on the team, that they have no record of him testifying or working at the WCT! Just Big Willy saying he testified. Sorry, but I give the benefit of the doubt to the government over Big Willy

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According to who? Not this BYU and NM quack. They are going off their observations of the events from TV and not on examining the smoke. Sorry, but that doesn't cut it for me and anyone with a brain.

They are saying that constuction workers painted the entire building in thernite! Come on now, that is absolutely crazy!
If there was, it was examined by these 2 quacks, because, if they did, they would have told Jessica. However, they didn't say they tested samples of anything because they didn't. Sorry but Jessica's 2 smoking guns are so flawed its amazing people can believe it!

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[eots]

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[LA RAM FAN]

damn I missed it,forgot all about it,wanted to see it.Ventura is a credible expert in explosives in the fact that he used to be an underwater navy seal and dealt with demolitions so he is a very credible expert people are in denial here and ignore when he says that explosives brought down the towers.

 

[GHook93]

damn I missed it,forgot all about it,wanted to see it.Ventura is a credible expert in explosives in the fact that he used to be an underwater navy seal and dealt with demolitions so he is a very credible expert people are in denial here and ignore when he says that explosives brought down the towers.

He is a quack! He got duped by Big Willy and Average Joe Mike. Then is believes far fetch stores form a BYU and NM professor that took no samples and only make half-ass assertions!

 

[CurveLight]

I watched one and found it interesting for two reasons. I'd not heard of the maintenance worker who claimed explosions prior to the plane impact, or maybe I did but never saw him talk about it. The other was the candid conversation with the mother. One of the biggest hurdles in discussing the issue is the constant demonizing of anyone who doesn't accept the OCT. They often are ignorant it was the victims families and first responders who are responsible for the Truth movement yet at the same time they say to respect the families......while simultaneously referring to many as nutjobs.

Ventura has credibility as a Patriot, Seal, and Governor. I hope he can help shed light on getting some tough questions answered.

 

[CurveLight]

That Jessica Ventura could be the governor of any state!

Calling him Jessica only reveals your lack of integrity.

 

[GHook93]

That Jessica Ventura could be the governor of any state!

Calling him Jessica only reveals your lack of integrity.

I had nothing but respect for Jessie before he became a 9/11 truther, Now he is a joker named Jessica!

 

[candycorn]

The following is from:

Screw Loose Change: Jesse Ventura's 9-11 Conspiracy Theory



Thursday, December 10, 2009
Jesse Ventura's 9-11 Conspiracy Theory

That was an interesting, if stupifying hour of TV. One noticeable point was that there was almost no advertising during the episode, which presumably reflects the controversial nature of the show.

Jesse quickly clads himself in the old "I'm just asking questions for the family members," armor. Donna Marsh O'Connor appears and actually seems normal. Compare and contrast her appearance then with this from 2006:

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One can feel sorry for her while at the same time recognizing like five years later she should not be appearing at a rally with the 9-11 fruitcake "Inside Job" banner behind her. Sorry, Donna, but you and Bob McIlvaine (who appears later) have sold your credibility as 9-11 family members for the adulation of the Troofers.

Next up, Willie Rodriguez. Hilariously, Jesse claims Willie worked in WTC-2. Wow, way to fact check your stuff, guys. We get W-Rod's claim that he felt the explosion from below him. Never mind that his initial reports were that he heard a big rumble, remember?

((video at link))

Then comes Steven Jones. This time his substance is "superthermite"; it's been nanothermite, thermite and thermate in the past. It's liquid and can be painted on the steel. So they show poor Van Romero painting superthermite on this beam. And we see that while the unpainted beam did not catch fire, the painted beam did seem to light up. But will it fail structurally?

Well, no kidding they skip right over that part. Apparently the idea that the steel caught on fire, however briefly, is enough to convince Jesse that this was how they did it. And nobody stops to mention that the claim is that they destroyed columns (vertical) not beams (horizontal), and that we haven't seen the beam actually destroyed in the video by any means. It's another TrutherBurn fiasco!

Jesse makes it real by claiming it could be everywhere, in every highrise in the country. Because, you know, there are never any fires in highrises which would (according to the theory) suddenly and bizarrely implode due to that painted-on superthermite.

We get a little bit of Manny Badillo, who has basically supplanted Luke in the hierarchy of the 9-11 Troofers although Rudkowski does get to be in the background of the shot. I guess being the nephew of a victim gives Manny a little more credibility than being the boyfriend of a girl who used to go out with a guy whose father died on 9-11.

Jesse decides to stride into Ground Zero and get some samples of steel. Uh, Jess, it's been eight years, we have no steel samples here. We get the usual BS about how the steel was shipped out immediately. No mention of the Fresh Kills dump where everything was examined.

And oh, does he step completely into the sewer, from here on in. I can't imagine how the supposedly responsible Truthers are going to take this.

Jesse goes north to Syracuse to talk to phony Bellone. We learn helpfully from Jesse that Flight Data Recorders (FDRs) are yellow-striped. And at this point you've got to wonder if somebody's really throwing us all a wink, because (as is shown several times during the show) actually FDRs are orange.

Anyway, Mike Bellone is a discredited witness, but you'd never know that from the extensive face time he gets in this episode. Let's let the NY Daily News give it to us straight:
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FIRE MARSHALS ARRESTED a self-proclaimed "honorary firefighter" for allegedly touring the country with pilfered FDNY gear to promote a 9/11 book, officials said yesterday.

Michael Bellone, 51, of Brooklyn, who volunteered at Ground Zero and later collaborated on a book about the experience, showed off the equipment during speeches to schoolchildren, authorities said.

After fielding complaints, FDNY investigators questioned Bellone and discovered that a breathing mask, air tank and other gear he was using had been missing from the department since October 2001, officials said.

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But do we hear any of this during the breathless passages of smirk-terviewing that follow? No, Mike's a hero of 9-11, and so what he says must be true. Never mind that Bellone also claimed in his speeches to schoolchildren that he was an honorary FDNY member, never mind this:
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He was charged yesterday with grand larceny, criminal impersonation and possession of stolen property.

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At any rate, Bellone claims that he personally saw one Flight Data Recorder, and that "Nick" (generally identified as Nicholas DeMasi) told him he found two others. As you would expect, Jesse grills him on his claims.

Uh, no, Jesse looks like he's amazed at this. Wow, you went all the way to Syracuse to interview this guy in a diner and you didn't have any idea what he was going to tell you? Jesse, I knew what he was going to say.

So now the 9-11 Truth Movement is the "what happened to the black boxes movement." Because fully half of the show becomes Jesse on the trail of the FDRs, and leads to the show's climactic moment, when we learn Jesse's new conspiracy theory about 9-11.

When one of the producers questions the value of the black boxes, an obviously scripted bit comes with the black British woman snapping about how it might explain how these lousy pilots could hit the buildings. Yawn, how many times do we have to go over the same points? The towers were 210 feet on a side, wider than an average runway.

After some forgettable bits with other idiots, we go back to Bellone. He's got secret people who want to meet with Jesse to give him important 9-11 information. But they don't show up for the meeting and Bellone says they feel threatened and shut off the camera. Then he tells them something confidential off-camera. Ooooh, mysterious! Do I detect foreshadowing? Then we get Jesse leaving a message on some supposed informant's voice mail about how the "Truth shall set you free". Gawd, this is getting thick!

Later, back at Conspiracy Central, the question comes up, is Mike telling the truth? And once again, they fail to mention Bellone's problems in that regard. Then we get some bit with Jesse talking to a NY FBI agent. Jesse tries the "no steel structure" argument. They get some sort of quote from the poor guy about how the feds indeed sometimes do things surreptitiously, just as Jesse did when he was in the SEALs. Of course Jesse nods at this part.

And now, back to phony Bellone! You didn't think we'd leave the show without one last revelation from him, did you? Well, I've been covering the 9-11 Truthers for about 3-1/2 years now, and I've never heard this one before. Bellone claims to have evidence that the "hijackers" had control of Flight 11 before it left Logan Airport.

Wow. I'm flabbergasted at the pathetic nature of this episode. Even the guy who's supposed to be the skeptic (Alex Piper) should be ashamed of his participation in this ridiculous fraud.

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I didn't watch the episode but from the lack of any explosive new posts on this and other boards, I'm guessing it was a regurgitation and vomit of same old shit.

 

[CurveLight]

That rebuttle from screw loose was simply....dumb. It's mostly ad homs with little response to information.

 

[CurveLight]

That Jessica Ventura could be the governor of any state!

Calling him Jessica only reveals your lack of integrity.

I had nothing but respect for Jessie before he became a 9/11 truther, Now he is a joker named Jessica!

Questioning the government is worthy of losing respect for all who dare, regardless of their accomplishments? Too bad we aren't in America where questioning the government is usually known as a sign of freedom, not insanity.

 

[eots]

That Jessica Ventura could be the governor of any state!

Calling him Jessica only reveals your lack of integrity.

I had nothing but respect for Jessie before he became a 9/11 truther, Now he is a joker named Jessica!

and that would make you GHooknose69er ??