It's Robert E. Lee Day, January 19th: How Will You Celebrate This Hero, Southern Pride And Heritage?

On January 19th, Americans will celebrate a true hero, a national treasure of Southern Pride and White Heritage. Robert E. Lee is a true icon and he should be remembered as such. How will you celebrate this remarkable gentleman?

Hero? Under his leadership, how many young southern boys never lived to become adults? He was a traitor to the United States and the families on both sides whose sons never came home.

I've walked the fields at Gettysburg, and the Land between the Lakes, and other battlefields in between and other National Cemeteries including his once homestead at Arlington.
Ive walked them too.
Ive also walked through DC where the riots were in 68, I actually rode through the area while they were going on.
Does that make me an expert on that era? Don't think so. No more than your walking an empty field of grass makes you an expert on the civil war.
 
Scratch my ass and burp in public like any proud southerner.
Because we all know what exemplars of decorum people in other parts of this country are.
^deflection
You probably didn't need to reemphasize your being a shallow simpleton.
The thread was OPed by a shallow simpleton, and you appear to be a close second.

There is no reason to celebrate Lee.
there is no reason to celebrate King.
But then I figure its ok to celebrate Kings assassination, look how much more trouble he could have caused if he was still alive. We already have Jessie Jackass and Little Al out there stirring up racial hatred, did we really need another one?
Good point. Had he lived, he would have had to rile up and agitate to remain ostensibly relevant the way those other political race whores have.
 
Because we all know what exemplars of decorum people in other parts of this country are.
^deflection
You probably didn't need to reemphasize your being a shallow simpleton.
The thread was OPed by a shallow simpleton, and you appear to be a close second.

There is no reason to celebrate Lee.

There is no reason to celebrate King.
On the contrary. He pushed for individual freedom and that is what our country was founded on.

He didn't push for a damn thing for me.

If our country is founded on individual freedom, why the hell does the government mandate people do so many things that go against that freedom? Obamacare, funding social welfare, Social Security, etc.
 
Because we all know what exemplars of decorum people in other parts of this country are.
^deflection
You probably didn't need to reemphasize your being a shallow simpleton.
The thread was OPed by a shallow simpleton, and you appear to be a close second.

There is no reason to celebrate Lee.
there is no reason to celebrate King.
But then I figure its ok to celebrate Kings assassination, look how much more trouble he could have caused if he was still alive. We already have Jessie Jackass and Little Al out there stirring up racial hatred, did we really need another one?
Good point. Had he lived, he would have had to rile up and agitate to remain ostensibly relevant the way those other political race whores have.
Yes, and if you think about it, his career being ended early like it was, allowed his memory to be one of a message of peace.
You might say that the assassination preserved his place in history in a favorable light.
Something that the other two mentioned will not have the benefit of
 
Social momentum is worth jack shit when so much money is involved. The total value of the slaves was more than all the banks, factories and railroads in the entire country.
And like every other commodity its value is relative to its necessity. Industrialization would have made slavery moot.
No. It would have moved slaves to factories.
Not if it costed non-slaves jobs.
Are you kidding me? Plantation slaves cost non-slaves jobs.
Not the type that would have been part of an industrialized society. Slaves did essentially the same work that illegals do now.
Are you going to make the case that slaves weren't intelligent enough to work in factories or that non-slaves wouldn't do farm work?
 
Because we all know what exemplars of decorum people in other parts of this country are.
^deflection
You probably didn't need to reemphasize your being a shallow simpleton.
The thread was OPed by a shallow simpleton, and you appear to be a close second.

There is no reason to celebrate Lee.
there is no reason to celebrate King.
But then I figure its ok to celebrate Kings assassination, look how much more trouble he could have caused if he was still alive. We already have Jessie Jackass and Little Al out there stirring up racial hatred, did we really need another one?
Good point. Had he lived, he would have had to rile up and agitate to remain ostensibly relevant the way those other political race whores have.
Uh, no.
 
^deflection
You probably didn't need to reemphasize your being a shallow simpleton.
The thread was OPed by a shallow simpleton, and you appear to be a close second.

There is no reason to celebrate Lee.

There is no reason to celebrate King.
On the contrary. He pushed for individual freedom and that is what our country was founded on.

He didn't push for a damn thing for me.

If our country is founded on individual freedom, why the hell does the government mandate people do so many things that go against that freedom? Obamacare, funding social welfare, Social Security, etc.
If you think being excluded because of your "race" back in the day wasn't a violation of civil rights I've nothing more to say to you.
 
And like every other commodity its value is relative to its necessity. Industrialization would have made slavery moot.
No. It would have moved slaves to factories.
Not if it costed non-slaves jobs.
Are you kidding me? Plantation slaves cost non-slaves jobs.
Not the type that would have been part of an industrialized society. Slaves did essentially the same work that illegals do now.
Are you going to make the case that slaves weren't intelligent enough to work in factories or that non-slaves wouldn't do farm work?
The argument is about the balance that produces the most efficient economy. Slaves were not going to do the manufacturing work that non-salves would need. The less that field work that was necessary would be reflected in the reduction of slavery. Slavery would have become obsolete.
 
Scratch my ass and burp in public like any proud southerner.
Because we all know what exemplars of decorum people in other parts of this country are.
^deflection
You probably didn't need to reemphasize your being a shallow simpleton.
The thread was OPed by a shallow simpleton, and you appear to be a close second.

There is no reason to celebrate Lee.
You are a superficial fucking dummy. End of story.
 
^deflection
You probably didn't need to reemphasize your being a shallow simpleton.
The thread was OPed by a shallow simpleton, and you appear to be a close second.

There is no reason to celebrate Lee.
there is no reason to celebrate King.
But then I figure its ok to celebrate Kings assassination, look how much more trouble he could have caused if he was still alive. We already have Jessie Jackass and Little Al out there stirring up racial hatred, did we really need another one?
Good point. Had he lived, he would have had to rile up and agitate to remain ostensibly relevant the way those other political race whores have.
Uh, no.
The empirical (Jackson, Sharpton, BET, NAACP, etc.) suggests it is likely he would have.
 
And like every other commodity its value is relative to its necessity. Industrialization would have made slavery moot.
No. It would have moved slaves to factories.
Not if it costed non-slaves jobs.
Are you kidding me? Plantation slaves cost non-slaves jobs.
Not the type that would have been part of an industrialized society. Slaves did essentially the same work that illegals do now.
Are you going to make the case that slaves weren't intelligent enough to work in factories or that non-slaves wouldn't do farm work?
I would make the case that you aren't intelligent enough to have an opinion that anyone should care about.
 
?????? Since when????

I thought Fort Sumter in Charleston harbor was the site of the opening shot of the Civil War.


Your view is too narrow.

Hmmm. Well....it sure is well documented in history books that the first shots of the Civil War were fired at a federal supply ship in Charleston harbor that was trying to restock Fort Sumter when cadets from The Citadel fired on it with rifles followed by volleys of cannon fire from the confederate forts on James Island and Sullivan's Island.

But.....maybe you should rewrite history.

Do you practice missing the point, or is it something that comes naturally to you?
He probably does understand that the founding fathers created a slave republic less than 90 years before the Civil War.
No.

They created a Republic in which Slavery was allowed to continue to exist.

The Northern colonies did this largely in order to secure the support of the Southern colonies for breaking away from England and sustaining that Independence.

The continuation of Slavery was the price a young America paid for Unity during its birthing and its toddler years, when it was imperative to have Unity.

But, as usual, greed, and pompousness, on both sides, got in the way, and pushed us into the abyss, and we paid the price, again, in oceans of blood.

Southerners were seduced and hoodwinked by the Big Money Boys of their times.

Northerners were seduced and hoodwinked into playing puppet and muscle for the Liberal Abolitionists of their times.

Both sides were full of shit clean up to their ears.

Common Folk on both sides of the divide routinely sided with their Home States - their families and friends and neighbors.

The Southern Cause was wrong, in the final analysis, but it was well-masked in other, loftier motives, so-called, and valiantly fought against great odds.

Bobby Lee, a greatly admired and respected professional officer in the US Army, of long and meritorious service, got the nod, to command much of Virginia's defense force.

And he did so well that he was soon catapulted to chief strategist and tactician of the main Southern host, in the East, where the main action unfolded.

He out-fought and out-generaled the North for a very long time, and damned-near pulled-off a miracle or two, as well as screwing-up royally, once or twice.

His men were willing to follow him into the Gates of Hell, if need be, and that, too, speaks volumes about the leadership and character of that great man.

He was a worthy adversary, much feared and well respected amongst his enemies, whose own opinion I'll take over that of revisionists at a distance of 150 years.

Uh huh, maybe now you can explain how the founding fathers didn't create a slave republic.
 
On January 19th, Americans will celebrate a true hero, a national treasure of Southern Pride and White Heritage. Robert E. Lee is a true icon and he should be remembered as such. How will you celebrate this remarkable gentleman?

Hero? Under his leadership, how many young southern boys never lived to become adults? He was a traitor to the United States and the families on both sides whose sons never came home.

I've walked the fields at Gettysburg, and the Land between the Lakes, and other battlefields in between and other National Cemeteries including his once homestead at Arlington.
Ive walked them too.
Ive also walked through DC where the riots were in 68, I actually rode through the area while they were going on.
Does that make me an expert on that era? Don't think so. No more than your walking an empty field of grass makes you an expert on the civil war.

Did I claim expertise? No, and that makes you a liar.
 
On January 19th, Americans will celebrate a true hero, a national treasure of Southern Pride and White Heritage. Robert E. Lee is a true icon and he should be remembered as such. How will you celebrate this remarkable gentleman?

Hero? Under his leadership, how many young southern boys never lived to become adults? He was a traitor to the United States and the families on both sides whose sons never came home.

I've walked the fields at Gettysburg, and the Land between the Lakes, and other battlefields in between and other National Cemeteries including his once homestead at Arlington.
Ive walked them too.
Ive also walked through DC where the riots were in 68, I actually rode through the area while they were going on.
Does that make me an expert on that era? Don't think so. No more than your walking an empty field of grass makes you an expert on the civil war.

Did I claim expertise? No, and that makes you a liar.

R. E. Lee was a traitor, that is not in dispute. He sent boys to their deaths for a cause to keep slaves in slavery. Let's not pretend any differently.
 
It will pass un noticed as it should. The man was a traitor and deserves his place of infamy in History.
That would be the simple minded one dimensional view of history.

It does pass un noticed for 99% of the nation. Fact.
The man was a traitor. Fact.
Lee is only remembered as a failure who got a lot of people killed for no reason. Fact.

He did surrender very quickly after getting his ass whooped time and time again on every frontier. That I'll give him. He's probably the greatest General there was when it comes to total surrender.
 
It will pass un noticed as it should. The man was a traitor and deserves his place of infamy in History.
That would be the simple minded one dimensional view of history.

It does pass un noticed for 99% of the nation. Fact.
The man was a traitor. Fact.
Lee is only remembered as a failure who got a lot of people killed for no reason. Fact.

He did surrender very quickly after getting his ass whooped time and time again on every frontier. That I'll give him. He's probably the greatest General there was when it comes to total surrender.
A man who fights for his state is anything but a traitor. The world was much larger back then and his state was his country.
 
It will pass un noticed as it should. The man was a traitor and deserves his place of infamy in History.
1. you are a loyal Union man

2. your home State leaves the Union

3. can you take sides against your own family, friends and neighbors?

1. You are a loyal Union Man

2. Your home state violates the covenant between the States in that Union by choosing to leave it.

3. The new covenant between the States that it joins attacks the nation you were supposedly loyal to

4. You join the attackers.

5. You deserve whatever ass kicking that comes your way for betraying your "values" (if he had any to start with).

He picked a fight he couldn't finish.
 
It will pass un noticed as it should. The man was a traitor and deserves his place of infamy in History.
That would be the simple minded one dimensional view of history.

It does pass un noticed for 99% of the nation. Fact.
The man was a traitor. Fact.
Lee is only remembered as a failure who got a lot of people killed for no reason. Fact.

He did surrender very quickly after getting his ass whooped time and time again on every frontier. That I'll give him. He's probably the greatest General there was when it comes to total surrender.
A man who fights for his state is anything but a traitor. The world was much larger back then and his state was his country.

Scientists tell us that the earth is the same size it has always been.
 
On January 19th, Americans will celebrate a true hero, a national treasure of Southern Pride and White Heritage. Robert E. Lee is a true icon and he should be remembered as such. How will you celebrate this remarkable gentleman?

Hero? Under his leadership, how many young southern boys never lived to become adults? He was a traitor to the United States and the families on both sides whose sons never came home.

I've walked the fields at Gettysburg, and the Land between the Lakes, and other battlefields in between and other National Cemeteries including his once homestead at Arlington.
Ive walked them too.
Ive also walked through DC where the riots were in 68, I actually rode through the area while they were going on.
Does that make me an expert on that era? Don't think so. No more than your walking an empty field of grass makes you an expert on the civil war.

Did I claim expertise? No, and that makes you a liar.

R. E. Lee was a traitor, that is not in dispute. He sent boys to their deaths for a cause to keep slaves in slavery. Let's not pretend any differently.

That would qualify him for the GOP nomination today.
 
Your view is too narrow.

Hmmm. Well....it sure is well documented in history books that the first shots of the Civil War were fired at a federal supply ship in Charleston harbor that was trying to restock Fort Sumter when cadets from The Citadel fired on it with rifles followed by volleys of cannon fire from the confederate forts on James Island and Sullivan's Island.

But.....maybe you should rewrite history.

Do you practice missing the point, or is it something that comes naturally to you?
He probably does understand that the founding fathers created a slave republic less than 90 years before the Civil War.
No.

They created a Republic in which Slavery was allowed to continue to exist.

The Northern colonies did this largely in order to secure the support of the Southern colonies for breaking away from England and sustaining that Independence.

The continuation of Slavery was the price a young America paid for Unity during its birthing and its toddler years, when it was imperative to have Unity.

But, as usual, greed, and pompousness, on both sides, got in the way, and pushed us into the abyss, and we paid the price, again, in oceans of blood.

Southerners were seduced and hoodwinked by the Big Money Boys of their times.

Northerners were seduced and hoodwinked into playing puppet and muscle for the Liberal Abolitionists of their times.

Both sides were full of shit clean up to their ears.

Common Folk on both sides of the divide routinely sided with their Home States - their families and friends and neighbors.

The Southern Cause was wrong, in the final analysis, but it was well-masked in other, loftier motives, so-called, and valiantly fought against great odds.

Bobby Lee, a greatly admired and respected professional officer in the US Army, of long and meritorious service, got the nod, to command much of Virginia's defense force.

And he did so well that he was soon catapulted to chief strategist and tactician of the main Southern host, in the East, where the main action unfolded.

He out-fought and out-generaled the North for a very long time, and damned-near pulled-off a miracle or two, as well as screwing-up royally, once or twice.

His men were willing to follow him into the Gates of Hell, if need be, and that, too, speaks volumes about the leadership and character of that great man.

He was a worthy adversary, much feared and well respected amongst his enemies, whose own opinion I'll take over that of revisionists at a distance of 150 years.

Uh huh, maybe now you can explain how the founding fathers didn't create a slave republic.
Already did.
 

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