It's Robert E. Lee Day, January 19th: How Will You Celebrate This Hero, Southern Pride And Heritage?

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[Liminal]

 

[Unkotare]

Western expansion and spreading abolitionism would have put that incredibly stupid, immoral, and counter-productive 'institution' out of business sooner or later.

Likely. Allowing the new states a plebiscite on wether or not they would allow slavery lead to quite a few deaths. I consider the years of 'Bleeding Kansas' to be the opening shots of The Civil War.

The opening shots of the American Civil War were fired at Lexington and Concord. (let it sink in - it's deeeep, baby)

?????? Since when????

I thought Fort Sumter in Charleston harbor was the site of the opening shot of the Civil War.

Your view is too narrow.

Hmmm. Well....it sure is well documented in history books that the first shots of the Civil War were fired at a federal supply ship in Charleston harbor that was trying to restock Fort Sumter when cadets from The Citadel fired on it with rifles followed by volleys of cannon fire from the confederate forts on James Island and Sullivan's Island.

But.....maybe you should rewrite history.

Do you practice missing the point, or is it something that comes naturally to you?

 

[Liminal]

Likely. Allowing the new states a plebiscite on wether or not they would allow slavery lead to quite a few deaths. I consider the years of 'Bleeding Kansas' to be the opening shots of The Civil War.

The opening shots of the American Civil War were fired at Lexington and Concord. (let it sink in - it's deeeep, baby)

?????? Since when????

I thought Fort Sumter in Charleston harbor was the site of the opening shot of the Civil War.

Your view is too narrow.

Hmmm. Well....it sure is well documented in history books that the first shots of the Civil War were fired at a federal supply ship in Charleston harbor that was trying to restock Fort Sumter when cadets from The Citadel fired on it with rifles followed by volleys of cannon fire from the confederate forts on James Island and Sullivan's Island.

But.....maybe you should rewrite history.

Do you practice missing the point, or is it something that comes naturally to you?

He probably does understand that the founding fathers created a slave republic less than 90 years before the Civil War.

 

[Searcher44]

On January 19th, Americans will celebrate a true hero, a national treasure of Southern Pride and White Heritage. Robert E. Lee is a true icon and he should be remembered as such. How will you celebrate this remarkable gentleman?

Lee's brilliant tactical maneuvering has been trumpeted by historians forever. However I believe that strategically he was a disaster for the South. When he turned down command of the Union army it was because he couldn't bring himself to raise his sword against his native state Virginia. From that April until the final April at Appomattox his energies were centered on defending Virginia without much thought for the overall support of other Southern battle zones, especially the critical West. Also he had little regard for the well being of his troops. They went cold and barefoot into battle while some Southern warehouses were bulging with new boots and enough clothing to outfit the entire Army of Northern Virginia.
His failed foray into the North that culminated at Gettysburg should be studied as other great strategic blunders such as Napoleon's and Hitler's invasions of Russia are studied. That act of hubris alone should disqualify him from consideration as a "great" General. On top of that his laissez-faire leadership at the Battle of Gettysburg is nothing if not criminally negligent. He was intellectually detached from the battle, during that whole final day he issued only one written dispatch and seemed resigned to letting fate take its course. He allowed his Generals to drag their feet as General Ewell had done on July 1st, failing to take Culp's Hill or Cemetery Hill mostly because of Lee's ambiguous orders. The ceding of the high ground to such a logistically superior force doomed the Confederate forces to a situation where their only hope was that the Northern commanding General make more than one tactical blunder. Unfortunately for Lee, Meade during the three days of battle performed more than adequately. Although neither army would again reach the peak of battle readiness they both displayed at Gettysburg the numbers favored the North. From that July 4th the road to Appomattox was inevitable. I could go on but I think you get my point. In the final analysis Lee's "greatness" as a General is no more that a plot point in the failed "lost cause" narrative that romanticizes Southern depravity and defeat. You can cling to his deification as a "national treasure of Southern Pride and White Heritage" but history will remember him for what he was...a hubristic traitor to the United States of America.

 

[Kondor3]

It will pass un noticed as it should. The man was a traitor and deserves his place of infamy in History.

1. you are a loyal Union man

2. your home State leaves the Union

3. can you take sides against your own family, friends and neighbors?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

On January 19th, Americans will celebrate a true hero, a national treasure of Southern Pride and White Heritage. Robert E. Lee is a true icon and he should be remembered as such. How will you celebrate this remarkable gentleman?

Lee's brilliant tactical maneuvering has been trumpeted by historians forever. However I believe that strategically he was a disaster for the South. When he turned down command of the Union army it was because he couldn't bring himself to raise his sword against his native state Virginia. From that April until the final April at Appomattox his energies were centered on defending Virginia without much thought for the overall support of other Southern battle zones, especially the critical West. Also he had little regard for the well being of his troops. They went cold and barefoot into battle while some Southern warehouses were bulging with new boots and enough clothing to outfit the entire Army of Northern Virginia.
His failed foray into the North that culminated at Gettysburg should be studied as other great strategic blunders such as Napoleon's and Hitler's invasions of Russia are studied. That act of hubris alone should disqualify him from consideration as a "great" General. On top of that his laissez-faire leadership at the Battle of Gettysburg is nothing if not criminally negligent. He was intellectually detached from the battle, during that whole final day he issued only one written dispatch and seemed resigned to letting fate take its course. He allowed his Generals to drag their feet as General Ewell had done on July 1st, failing to take Culp's Hill or Cemetery Hill mostly because of Lee's ambiguous orders. The ceding of the high ground to such a logistically superior force doomed the Confederate forces to a situation where their only hope was that the Northern commanding General make more than one tactical blunder. Unfortunately for Lee, Meade during the three days of battle performed more than adequately. Although neither army would again reach the peak of battle readiness they both displayed at Gettysburg the numbers favored the North. From that July 4th the road to Appomattox was inevitable. I could go on but I think you get my point. In the final analysis Lee's "greatness" as a General is no more that a plot point in the failed "lost cause" narrative that romanticizes Southern depravity and defeat. You can cling to his deification as a "national treasure of Southern Pride and White Heritage" but history will remember him for what he was...a hubristic traitor to the United States of America.

Hence the reason for your views on Lee

 

[bodecea]

Great General but he was overwhelmed by superior numbers and equipment.

Yep.

If the Civil War happened today.....the South would have the superior numbers and equipment.

 

[Kondor3]

The opening shots of the American Civil War were fired at Lexington and Concord. (let it sink in - it's deeeep, baby)

?????? Since when????

I thought Fort Sumter in Charleston harbor was the site of the opening shot of the Civil War.

Your view is too narrow.

Hmmm. Well....it sure is well documented in history books that the first shots of the Civil War were fired at a federal supply ship in Charleston harbor that was trying to restock Fort Sumter when cadets from The Citadel fired on it with rifles followed by volleys of cannon fire from the confederate forts on James Island and Sullivan's Island.

But.....maybe you should rewrite history.

Do you practice missing the point, or is it something that comes naturally to you?

He probably does understand that the founding fathers created a slave republic less than 90 years before the Civil War.

No.

They created a Republic in which Slavery was allowed to continue to exist.

The Northern colonies did this largely in order to secure the support of the Southern colonies for breaking away from England and sustaining that Independence.

The continuation of Slavery was the price a young America paid for Unity during its birthing and its toddler years, when it was imperative to have Unity.

But, as usual, greed, and pompousness, on both sides, got in the way, and pushed us into the abyss, and we paid the price, again, in oceans of blood.

Southerners were seduced and hoodwinked by the Big Money Boys of their times.

Northerners were seduced and hoodwinked into playing puppet and muscle for the Liberal Abolitionists of their times.

Both sides were full of shit clean up to their ears.

Common Folk on both sides of the divide routinely sided with their Home States - their families and friends and neighbors.

The Southern Cause was wrong, in the final analysis, but it was well-masked in other, loftier motives, so-called, and valiantly fought against great odds.

Bobby Lee, a greatly admired and respected professional officer in the US Army, of long and meritorious service, got the nod, to command much of Virginia's defense force.

And he did so well that he was soon catapulted to chief strategist and tactician of the main Southern host, in the East, where the main action unfolded.

He out-fought and out-generaled the North for a very long time, and damned-near pulled-off a miracle or two, as well as screwing-up royally, once or twice.

His men were willing to follow him into the Gates of Hell, if need be, and that, too, speaks volumes about the leadership and character of that great man.

He was a worthy adversary, much feared and well respected amongst his enemies, whose own opinion I'll take over that of revisionists at a distance of 150 years.

 

[Kondor3]

Great General but he was overwhelmed by superior numbers and equipment.

Yep.

If the Civil War happened today.....the South would have the superior numbers and equipment.

Don't laugh.

Look at where most of the major military bases are nowadays.

 

[Ravi]

Scratch my ass and burp in public like any proud southerner.

Because we all know what exemplars of decorum people in other parts of this country are.

^deflection

You probably didn't need to reemphasize your being a shallow simpleton.

The thread was OPed by a shallow simpleton, and you appear to be a close second.

There is no reason to celebrate Lee.

 

[Ravi]

Western expansion and spreading abolitionism would have put that incredibly stupid, immoral, and counter-productive 'institution' out of business sooner or later.

Likely. Allowing the new states a plebiscite on wether or not they would allow slavery lead to quite a few deaths. I consider the years of 'Bleeding Kansas' to be the opening shots of The Civil War.

The opening shots of the American Civil War were fired at Lexington and Concord. (let it sink in - it's deeeep, baby)

^broken clock syndrome

 

[Ravi]

See if you can imagine the political deadlock if secession had never happened. Slavery would very likely have continued well into the 20th century.

Western expansion and spreading abolitionism would have put that incredibly stupid, immoral, and counter-productive 'institution' out of business sooner or later.

That's all very interesting I'm sure, but how exactly would slavery have ended? ...

The way the small number of Southerners who owned significant numbers of slaves feared: Congressional representation and social momentum.

Social momentum is worth jack shit when so much money is involved. The total value of the slaves was more than all the banks, factories and railroads in the entire country.

And like every other commodity its value is relative to its necessity. Industrialization would have made slavery moot.

No. It would have moved slaves to factories.

 

[Conservative65]

Scratch my ass and burp in public like any proud southerner.

Because we all know what exemplars of decorum people in other parts of this country are.

^deflection

You probably didn't need to reemphasize your being a shallow simpleton.

The thread was OPed by a shallow simpleton, and you appear to be a close second.

There is no reason to celebrate Lee.

There is no reason to celebrate King.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Western expansion and spreading abolitionism would have put that incredibly stupid, immoral, and counter-productive 'institution' out of business sooner or later.

That's all very interesting I'm sure, but how exactly would slavery have ended? ...

The way the small number of Southerners who owned significant numbers of slaves feared: Congressional representation and social momentum.

Social momentum is worth jack shit when so much money is involved. The total value of the slaves was more than all the banks, factories and railroads in the entire country.

And like every other commodity its value is relative to its necessity. Industrialization would have made slavery moot.

No. It would have moved slaves to factories.

Not if it costed non-slaves jobs.

 

[Ravi]

Scratch my ass and burp in public like any proud southerner.

Because we all know what exemplars of decorum people in other parts of this country are.

^deflection

You probably didn't need to reemphasize your being a shallow simpleton.

The thread was OPed by a shallow simpleton, and you appear to be a close second.

There is no reason to celebrate Lee.

There is no reason to celebrate King.

On the contrary. He pushed for individual freedom and that is what our country was founded on.

 

[Ravi]

That's all very interesting I'm sure, but how exactly would slavery have ended? ...

The way the small number of Southerners who owned significant numbers of slaves feared: Congressional representation and social momentum.

Social momentum is worth jack shit when so much money is involved. The total value of the slaves was more than all the banks, factories and railroads in the entire country.

And like every other commodity its value is relative to its necessity. Industrialization would have made slavery moot.

No. It would have moved slaves to factories.

Not if it costed non-slaves jobs.

Are you kidding me? Plantation slaves cost non-slaves jobs.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

The way the small number of Southerners who owned significant numbers of slaves feared: Congressional representation and social momentum.

Social momentum is worth jack shit when so much money is involved. The total value of the slaves was more than all the banks, factories and railroads in the entire country.

And like every other commodity its value is relative to its necessity. Industrialization would have made slavery moot.

No. It would have moved slaves to factories.

Not if it costed non-slaves jobs.

Are you kidding me? Plantation slaves cost non-slaves jobs.

Not the type that would have been part of an industrialized society. Slaves did essentially the same work that illegals do now.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Scratch my ass and burp in public like any proud southerner.

Because we all know what exemplars of decorum people in other parts of this country are.

^deflection

You probably didn't need to reemphasize your being a shallow simpleton.

The thread was OPed by a shallow simpleton, and you appear to be a close second.

There is no reason to celebrate Lee.

there is no reason to celebrate King.
But then I figure its ok to celebrate Kings assassination, look how much more trouble he could have caused if he was still alive. We already have Jessie Jackass and Little Al out there stirring up racial hatred, did we really need another one?

 

[Wry Catcher]

On January 19th, Americans will celebrate a true hero, a national treasure of Southern Pride and White Heritage. Robert E. Lee is a true icon and he should be remembered as such. How will you celebrate this remarkable gentleman?

Hero? Under his leadership, how many young southern boys never lived to become adults? He was a traitor to the United States and the families on both sides whose sons never came home.

I've walked the fields at Gettysburg, and the Land between the Lakes, and other battlefields in between and other National Cemeteries including his once homestead at Arlington.