Israeli Police Detains 16 Settler Youths over Fire at `Miracle` Church

[CMike]

Hi Bio

Seems pretty horrible to me.

David Ben-Gurion Jewish Virtual Library

David Ben-Gurion was the first Prime Minister of Israel and widely hailed as the State's main founder.

David Ben-Gurion was born in Plonsk, Poland in 1886 and educated in a Hebrew school established by his father, an ardentZionist. By his mid-teens, Ben-Gurion led a Zionist youth group, "Ezra," whose members spoke only Hebrew among themselves.

At the age of 18 he became a teacher in a Warsaw Jewish school and joined the Socialist-Zionist group "Poalei Zion" (Workers of Zion).

Arriving in the Land of Israel in 1906, he became involved in the creation of the first agricultural workers' commune (which evolved into the Kvutzah and finally the Kibbutz), and helped establish the Jewish self-defense group, “Hashomer” (The Watchman).

Following the outbreak of World War I he was deported by the Ottoman authorities with Yitzhak Ben-Zvi (later, Israel's second President). Ben-Gurion traveled on behalf of the Socialist-Zionist cause to New York, where he met and married Paula Monbesz, a fellow Poalei Zion activist. He returned to Israel in the uniform of the Jewish Legion, created as a unit in the British Army by Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky.

Ben-Gurion was a founder of the trade unions, and, in particular, the national federation, the Histadrut, which he dominated from the early 1920's. He also served as the Histadrut's representative in the World Zionist Organization and Jewish Agency, and was elected chairman of both organizations in 1935.

Having led the struggle to establish the State of Israel in May 1948, Ben-Gurion became Prime Minister and Defense Minister. As Premier, he oversaw the establishment of the state's institutions. He presided over various national projects aimed at the rapid development of the country and its population: “Operation Magic Carpet,” the airlift of Jews from Arab countries, the construction of the national water carrier, rural development projects and the establishment of new towns and cities. In particular, he called for pioneering settlement in outlying areas, especially in the Negev.

In late 1953, Ben-Gurion left the government and retired to Kibbutz Sde Boker in the Negev. He returned to political life, after theKnesset elections in 1955, assuming the post of Defense Minister and later the premiership.

Continuing as Prime Minister, Ben-Gurion supported the establishment of relations with West Germany, despite bitter opposition. He also led the country during the 1956 Sinai campaign, in which Israeli forces temporarily secured the Sinai peninsula.

In June 1963 Ben-Gurion resigned as Prime Minister, citing “personal reasons.” Levi Eshkol took over the posts of Prime Minister and Defense Minister. But Ben-Gurion remained active politically, with a rivalry developing between him and Eshkol. In June 1965, the Mapai Party split, with Ben-Gurion establishing Rafi (List of Israeli Workers), which won ten Knesset seats in the following election. In 1968, Rafi rejoined Mapai and Ahdut Ha'avoda, to form the Israel Labor Party, while Ben-Gurion formed a new party, Hareshima Hamamlachtit (The State List), which won four Knesset seats in the 1969 elections.

In June 1970, Ben-Gurion retired from political life and returned to Sde Boker where he passed away in 1973.

 

[CMike]

The British targeted were soldiers whom were ruthless to the Jews.

Also the hotel was bombed because it was the British militant headquarters.

They even had warnings that it will be bombed and ignored them.

What terrorists give warnings to evacuate?

Well, as I said. It depends on your point of view. Most Britons believe the people that murdered Britons were terrorists, you believe they were freedom fighters.

If they were soldiers than it wasn't terrorism.

In fact, what the British military did to the Jews could be considered terrorism in my opinion.

So when the Palestinians target IDF or police it isn't terrorism?

I wouldn't consider it a terrorist act, although Hamas and the PA are terrorist organizations.

 

[Coyote]

The British targeted were soldiers whom were ruthless to the Jews.

Also the hotel was bombed because it was the British militant headquarters.

They even had warnings that it will be bombed and ignored them.

What terrorists give warnings to evacuate?

Well, as I said. It depends on your point of view. Most Britons believe the people that murdered Britons were terrorists, you believe they were freedom fighters.

If they were soldiers than it wasn't terrorism.

In fact, what the British military did to the Jews could be considered terrorism in my opinion.

So when the Palestinians target IDF or police it isn't terrorism?

I wouldn't consider it a terrorist act, although Hamas and the PA are terrorist organizations.

I agree with your definition regarding terrorism targets except the King David is not so clear cut.

 

[CMike]

The British targeted were soldiers whom were ruthless to the Jews.

Also the hotel was bombed because it was the British militant headquarters.

They even had warnings that it will be bombed and ignored them.

What terrorists give warnings to evacuate?

Well, as I said. It depends on your point of view. Most Britons believe the people that murdered Britons were terrorists, you believe they were freedom fighters.

If they were soldiers than it wasn't terrorism.

In fact, what the British military did to the Jews could be considered terrorism in my opinion.

So when the Palestinians target IDF or police it isn't terrorism?

I wouldn't consider it a terrorist act, although Hamas and the PA are terrorist organizations.

I agree with your definition regarding terrorism targets except the King David is not so clear cut.

Seems pretty clear cut to me.

The King David was the British military HQ. That makes it a military target.

They were even warned by the Irgun that it would be bombed.

As I asked what terrorist organization ever gives warnings?

In any case because it was the British HQ it was a military target.

 

[CMike]

The British targeted were soldiers whom were ruthless to the Jews.

Also the hotel was bombed because it was the British militant headquarters.

They even had warnings that it will be bombed and ignored them.

What terrorists give warnings to evacuate?

Well, as I said. It depends on your point of view. Most Britons believe the people that murdered Britons were terrorists, you believe they were freedom fighters.

If they were soldiers than it wasn't terrorism.

In fact, what the British military did to the Jews could be considered terrorism in my opinion.

So when the Palestinians target IDF or police it isn't terrorism?

I wouldn't consider it a terrorist act, although Hamas and the PA are terrorist organizations.

I agree with your definition regarding terrorism targets except the King David is not so clear cut.

Wow we actually agree on something.

Maybe you should reevaluate.

 

[Coyote]

Well, as I said. It depends on your point of view. Most Britons believe the people that murdered Britons were terrorists, you believe they were freedom fighters.

If they were soldiers than it wasn't terrorism.

In fact, what the British military did to the Jews could be considered terrorism in my opinion.

So when the Palestinians target IDF or police it isn't terrorism?

I wouldn't consider it a terrorist act, although Hamas and the PA are terrorist organizations.

I agree with your definition regarding terrorism targets except the King David is not so clear cut.

Wow we actually agree on something.

Maybe you should reevaluate.

 

[Coyote]

Well, as I said. It depends on your point of view. Most Britons believe the people that murdered Britons were terrorists, you believe they were freedom fighters.

If they were soldiers than it wasn't terrorism.

In fact, what the British military did to the Jews could be considered terrorism in my opinion.

So when the Palestinians target IDF or police it isn't terrorism?

I wouldn't consider it a terrorist act, although Hamas and the PA are terrorist organizations.

I agree with your definition regarding terrorism targets except the King David is not so clear cut.

Seems pretty clear cut to me.

The King David was the British military HQ. That makes it a military target.

They were even warned by the Irgun that it would be bombed.

As I asked what terrorist organization ever gives warnings?

In any case because it was the British HQ it was a military target.

It was also heavily populated by civilians and there is dispute in the account that a warning was given. Add to that, the explosives were far in excess of what was needed and killed people outside of the King David, blew in windows and injured people in adjoining buildings.

 

[CMike]

If they were soldiers than it wasn't terrorism.

In fact, what the British military did to the Jews could be considered terrorism in my opinion.

So when the Palestinians target IDF or police it isn't terrorism?

I wouldn't consider it a terrorist act, although Hamas and the PA are terrorist organizations.

I agree with your definition regarding terrorism targets except the King David is not so clear cut.

Seems pretty clear cut to me.

The King David was the British military HQ. That makes it a military target.

They were even warned by the Irgun that it would be bombed.

As I asked what terrorist organization ever gives warnings?

In any case because it was the British HQ it was a military target.

It was also heavily populated by civilians and there is dispute in the account that a warning was given. Add to that, the explosives were far in excess of what was needed and killed people outside of the King David, blew in windows and injured people in adjoining buildings.

So have been our military operations against terrorists in Afghanistan, and Iraq.

Unfortunately, innocent people get killed.

However, the critical difference is that the civilians were not targeted.

 

[montelatici]

The British targeted were soldiers whom were ruthless to the Jews.

Also the hotel was bombed because it was the British militant headquarters.

They even had warnings that it will be bombed and ignored them.

What terrorists give warnings to evacuate?

Well, as I said. It depends on your point of view. Most Britons believe the people that murdered Britons were terrorists, you believe they were freedom fighters.

If they were soldiers than it wasn't terrorism.

In fact, what the British military did to the Jews could be considered terrorism in my opinion.

So when the Palestinians target IDF or police it isn't terrorism?

I wouldn't consider it a terrorist act, although Hamas and the PA are terrorist organizations.

Of course you wouldn't, from your point of view. The families of the dead have a different opinion.

 

[montelatici]

This were many other terrorist or freedom fighter killings undertaken by the Zionists.

"During the fight for Jewish statehood, extremist military groups sometimes resorted to the use of terrorist tactics. One such instance occurred in 1948 when members of the Jewish underground organization LEHI killed UN Peace Mediator Count Folke Bernadotte to protest his diplomatic efforts to modify the Palestine partition plan."

The Assassination of Count Bernadotte Jewish Virtual Library

 

[Phoenall]

Unbelievable. Hey its only a Christian church and historical , why would Israel give a hoot. Only jews matter in Israelell.

Calm down. Maybe, there was no cogent legal reason to keep them, even if they did it.

No they never get charged.

What happened to innocent until proven guilty. Or does that only apply to arab muslim terrorists

 

[Phoenall]

They were detained, isn't that punishment enough, they are Jews who may be suffering from post traumatic holocaust association disorder

Maybe these hoodlums wanted to give you anti-Semites something to REALLY complain about! After all, you had begun to look foolish, ignoring all the Christians in orange jump-suits being taken down to the river, and getting their heads chopped off by Muslim extremists. I mean, how many times can you go all the way back to 1948, and talk about the Christian minority then? These Jewish teens wanted to give y'all something a little more recent to talk about.

Get over yourself, the only thing worst that an ultra orthodox jew who thinks gentiles only exist for jews, is the atheist ones who use a few verses In the OT they don't believe in to justify their taking over Palestine, and using WWII as an excuse for sympathy and bad behavior.

NAH cant see it, do you have a link from an unbiased source ?

 

[Phoenall]

Unbelievable. Hey its only a Christian church and historical , why would Israel give a hoot. Only jews matter in Israelell.

Calm down. Maybe, there was no cogent legal reason to keep them, even if they did it.

No they never get charged.

After 3 Jewish boys were kidnapped and killed, a Palestinian boy was killed in revenge. His murderers got stiff sentences. And I don't see what WW2 has to do with any of this.

Godwins Law being invoked to derail the thread

 

[Phoenall]

They were detained, isn't that punishment enough, they are Jews who may be suffering from post traumatic holocaust association disorder

Maybe these hoodlums wanted to give you anti-Semites something to REALLY complain about! After all, you had begun to look foolish, ignoring all the Christians in orange jump-suits being taken down to the river, and getting their heads chopped off by Muslim extremists. I mean, how many times can you go all the way back to 1948, and talk about the Christian minority then? These Jewish teens wanted to give y'all something a little more recent to talk about.

Get over yourself, the only thing worst that an ultra orthodox jew who thinks gentiles only exist for jews, is the atheist ones who use a few verses In the OT they don't believe in to justify their taking over Palestine, and using WWII as an excuse for sympathy and bad behavior.

It seems to me that it's problem some Muslim terrorists whom wanted the gullible and weak minded to think it's Jews.

At least Israel pursues these criminals and prosecutes them whereas the "palestinian" governments would name streets after these criminals.

Muslims are going to write Hebrew verses on their handiwork, its well known the right wing jews terrorize the muslims and Christians in Israel and get away with it.

Its well known that the arab muslims do blame the Jews for what they do themselves. Then shrug when they are caught out

 

[Phoenall]

The British targeted were soldiers whom were ruthless to the Jews.

Also the hotel was bombed because it was the British militant headquarters.

They even had warnings that it will be bombed and ignored them.

What terrorists give warnings to evacuate?

Well, as I said. It depends on your point of view. Most Britons believe the people that murdered Britons were terrorists, you believe they were freedom fighters.

So what do you see Irish Catholic IRA members as then freddy boy. Do you see them as ruthless cold blooded terrorist killers or freedom fighters

 

[Phoenall]

The British targeted were soldiers whom were ruthless to the Jews.

Also the hotel was bombed because it was the British militant headquarters.

They even had warnings that it will be bombed and ignored them.

What terrorists give warnings to evacuate?

Well, as I said. It depends on your point of view. Most Britons believe the people that murdered Britons were terrorists, you believe they were freedom fighters.

And right there is the issue. The winners control the narrative and turn terrorists into freedom fighters and freedom fighters into terrorists.

Do you know how and why the likes of Irgun and Lehi were formed ?

 

[Phoenall]

The British targeted were soldiers whom were ruthless to the Jews.

Also the hotel was bombed because it was the British militant headquarters.

They even had warnings that it will be bombed and ignored them.

What terrorists give warnings to evacuate?

Well, as I said. It depends on your point of view. Most Britons believe the people that murdered Britons were terrorists, you believe they were freedom fighters.

If they were soldiers than it wasn't terrorism.

In fact, what the British military did to the Jews could be considered terrorism in my opinion.

What the British did to the Jews was tantamount to a continuation of the Nazi final solution at the request of the islamonazi's in palestine

 

[Phoenall]

The difference is that terrorists intentionally target civilians.

That is the difference between the Jews and the Arabs in the middle east conflict.

The Jewish side targets terrorists, the Arab side targets civilians.

Are you talking historically or just in the modern part of the conflict? Before Israel won it's independence it's militias targeted civilians - bus', trains, open markets etc.

Only after the arab muslims targeted the Jewish enclaves

 

[Phoenall]

The British targeted were soldiers whom were ruthless to the Jews.

Also the hotel was bombed because it was the British militant headquarters.

They even had warnings that it will be bombed and ignored them.

What terrorists give warnings to evacuate?

Well, as I said. It depends on your point of view. Most Britons believe the people that murdered Britons were terrorists, you believe they were freedom fighters.

If they were soldiers than it wasn't terrorism.

In fact, what the British military did to the Jews could be considered terrorism in my opinion.

So when the Palestinians target IDF or police it isn't terrorism?

To the Palestinians and their supporters all Jews are valid targets, and the younger they are the more the propaganda value

 

[Phoenall]

If they were soldiers than it wasn't terrorism.

In fact, what the British military did to the Jews could be considered terrorism in my opinion.

So when the Palestinians target IDF or police it isn't terrorism?

I wouldn't consider it a terrorist act, although Hamas and the PA are terrorist organizations.

I agree with your definition regarding terrorism targets except the King David is not so clear cut.

Seems pretty clear cut to me.

The King David was the British military HQ. That makes it a military target.

They were even warned by the Irgun that it would be bombed.

As I asked what terrorist organization ever gives warnings?

In any case because it was the British HQ it was a military target.

It was also heavily populated by civilians and there is dispute in the account that a warning was given. Add to that, the explosives were far in excess of what was needed and killed people outside of the King David, blew in windows and injured people in adjoining buildings.

Back in those days explosive theory was in its infancy and not clearly understood. So the tendency was to pack as much in as was possible and hope for the best. The Palestinian terrorists do the same with IED's