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Billo_Really, et al,
This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"
(COMMENT)
The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.
The Israelis, under the threat of violence from the Arab Palestinian since a time before independence, cannot afford to compromise the defense of the nation or the security of the citizens. If Israel makes the first move towards peace and allows the Arab Palestinian to secure a strategic offensive advantage, they might lose all and never be able to regain its sovereignty. The Israelis, having been attacked numerous times by nearly every Arab nation (at least once), and consistently outnumbered by Hostile Arabs, has much to risk in such an uneven political equation and tactical situation.
If we just examine the timeframe beginning with the UN General Assembly Adoption of the Resolution 181(II), we find that Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) made a solemn pledge 68 years ago (over half a century past) that was made by an Arab Leadership that supported the authors of the Holocaust (the systematic and state-sponsored persecution of six million Jews by the Axis Powers and its collaborators) which said:
This pledge has gone essential unchanged for more nearly seven decades and is mimicked in Palestinian National Charter (1968), the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (1988), and more recently in a 2013 major position paper, published by Khaled Meshal, Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau (currently hiding out on Doha, Qatar).
Oddly enough, Palestinians in general --- pose a new kind of threat to themselves, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Israel. The inability of the HoAP to effectively govern has allowed the Islamic State (ISIS/DAESH) (and associated Salafi terrorist groups) to appeared and operate in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. More recently, a group calling itself the "Supporters of the Islamic State in Jerusalem" has turned-up in the Holy City; placing the City itself at risk. ISIS is know to vandalize and destroy locations holding ancient artifacts and antiquities. The ability of the HoAP to secure its own territorial interests from such a threat represents a much greater threat to Palestinian Sovereignty than Israel ever did.
The HoAP must first turnover a new leaf, if it is to get a reaction from the Israelis. The HoAP must demonstrate that the vendetta and feud between the Israeli and Palestinian is over and they must first demonstrate that through actual deeds. That is of course, if they are not first eaten by the Iranians or ISIS.
Most Respectfully,
R
Well, that is the hope of all colonizers, that the dispossession of, and the crimes against the indigenous people will be forgiven and that they will be able to enjoy their ill gotten gains without interference. This hardly ever happens. If the indigenous people are not completely, or nearly completely eliminated in terms of culture and population, they will fight on. Even where it may have appeared that the indigenous people had been culturally eliminated, they have risen to repossess their lands. Ecuador and Bolivia are examples.
So what will you do when the indigenous of America start killing innocents to reclaim all their land ?
We were able to destroy their culture and eliminate most of the Native Americans in what is now the U.S.A.
You sound proud of your violence and terrorism to steal the land of the First Nations people. What excuse will you use to justify not giving the land back, seeing as you are nothing but an European invader that colonised by force the land yopu currently squat on.
Not proud at all, it was a genocide. Just fact.
Billo_Really, et al,
This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"
(COMMENT)
The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.
The Israelis, under the threat of violence from the Arab Palestinian since a time before independence, cannot afford to compromise the defense of the nation or the security of the citizens. If Israel makes the first move towards peace and allows the Arab Palestinian to secure a strategic offensive advantage, they might lose all and never be able to regain its sovereignty. The Israelis, having been attacked numerous times by nearly every Arab nation (at least once), and consistently outnumbered by Hostile Arabs, has much to risk in such an uneven political equation and tactical situation.
If we just examine the timeframe beginning with the UN General Assembly Adoption of the Resolution 181(II), we find that Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) made a solemn pledge 68 years ago (over half a century past) that was made by an Arab Leadership that supported the authors of the Holocaust (the systematic and state-sponsored persecution of six million Jews by the Axis Powers and its collaborators) which said:
This pledge has gone essential unchanged for more nearly seven decades and is mimicked in Palestinian National Charter (1968), the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (1988), and more recently in a 2013 major position paper, published by Khaled Meshal, Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau (currently hiding out on Doha, Qatar).
Oddly enough, Palestinians in general --- pose a new kind of threat to themselves, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Israel. The inability of the HoAP to effectively govern has allowed the Islamic State (ISIS/DAESH) (and associated Salafi terrorist groups) to appeared and operate in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. More recently, a group calling itself the "Supporters of the Islamic State in Jerusalem" has turned-up in the Holy City; placing the City itself at risk. ISIS is know to vandalize and destroy locations holding ancient artifacts and antiquities. The ability of the HoAP to secure its own territorial interests from such a threat represents a much greater threat to Palestinian Sovereignty than Israel ever did.
The HoAP must first turnover a new leaf, if it is to get a reaction from the Israelis. The HoAP must demonstrate that the vendetta and feud between the Israeli and Palestinian is over and they must first demonstrate that through actual deeds. That is of course, if they are not first eaten by the Iranians or ISIS.
Most Respectfully,
R
Well, that is the hope of all colonizers, that the dispossession of, and the crimes against the indigenous people will be forgiven and that they will be able to enjoy their ill gotten gains without interference. This hardly ever happens. If the indigenous people are not completely, or nearly completely eliminated in terms of culture and population, they will fight on. Even where it may have appeared that the indigenous people had been culturally eliminated, they have risen to repossess their lands. Ecuador and Bolivia are examples.
So what will you do when the indigenous of America start killing innocents to reclaim all their land ?
We were able to destroy their culture and eliminate most of the Native Americans in what is now the U.S.A.
Yep! Our native American population is all but gone. Amazing what we can learn here from Monte. Heh Heh!
Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health
Keep it up you little racist wanker. Now you will maintain that the Europeans were welcomed with open arms by the native americans.
Why don't you educate yourself you ignorant little punk.
"Numerous atrocities against Native Americans span the hundreds of years from the first arrival of European explorers to the modern era under a wide range of circumstances. Today there are over 500 Native American tribes in the United States, each with a distinct culture, way of life and history. Even today, Native Americans face large challenges to cope with the disadvantages history has left them and ongoing cases of discrimination.
Atrocities Against Native Americans - United to End Genocide
- 10 million+ Estimated number of Native Americans living in land that is now the United States when European explorers first arrived in the 15th century
- Less than 300,000 Estimated number of Native Americans living in the United States around 1900
- 5.2 million identified as American Indian or Alaska Native in the 2010 census"
So what will you do when the indigenous of America start killing innocents to reclaim all their land ?
We were able to destroy their culture and eliminate most of the Native Americans in what is now the U.S.A.
Yep! Our native American population is all but gone. Amazing what we can learn here from Monte. Heh Heh!
Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health
Keep it up you little racist wanker. Now you will maintain that the Europeans were welcomed with open arms by the native americans.
Why don't you educate yourself you ignorant little punk.
"Numerous atrocities against Native Americans span the hundreds of years from the first arrival of European explorers to the modern era under a wide range of circumstances. Today there are over 500 Native American tribes in the United States, each with a distinct culture, way of life and history. Even today, Native Americans face large challenges to cope with the disadvantages history has left them and ongoing cases of discrimination.
Atrocities Against Native Americans - United to End Genocide
- 10 million+ Estimated number of Native Americans living in land that is now the United States when European explorers first arrived in the 15th century
- Less than 300,000 Estimated number of Native Americans living in the United States around 1900
- 5.2 million identified as American Indian or Alaska Native in the 2010 census"
How many times will you prove to us you are a moron? No one in their right mind denies horrible attrocites committed upon our native Americans by white colonial settlers. However it is YOU who stated that "our native American population is all but gone." So once again I will take the time to educate you by bringing you up to date on our native American population. And I wish you good luck with your reading disorder.
Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health
The Native American population and its culture was destroyed, replaced by Europeans. Any bullshit you post is just bullshit. The fact that we have managed to prevent their extinction by putting them in reservations does not change the fact you racist punk.
The problem for you and your Israeli friends is that there are just too many non-Jews in and around Israel for the Jews to be able to eliminate the Christians and Muslims of Palestine in the same way.
Israel's version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians.
I don't recall anyone saying they want Israel. And who said no Jews?Israel's version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians.
You have that the wrong way round as it is the Palestinians version of peace that is all of Palestine and Israel without the Jews
Israel's version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians.
We were able to destroy their culture and eliminate most of the Native Americans in what is now the U.S.A.
Yep! Our native American population is all but gone. Amazing what we can learn here from Monte. Heh Heh!
Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health
Keep it up you little racist wanker. Now you will maintain that the Europeans were welcomed with open arms by the native americans.
Why don't you educate yourself you ignorant little punk.
"Numerous atrocities against Native Americans span the hundreds of years from the first arrival of European explorers to the modern era under a wide range of circumstances. Today there are over 500 Native American tribes in the United States, each with a distinct culture, way of life and history. Even today, Native Americans face large challenges to cope with the disadvantages history has left them and ongoing cases of discrimination.
Atrocities Against Native Americans - United to End Genocide
- 10 million+ Estimated number of Native Americans living in land that is now the United States when European explorers first arrived in the 15th century
- Less than 300,000 Estimated number of Native Americans living in the United States around 1900
- 5.2 million identified as American Indian or Alaska Native in the 2010 census"
How many times will you prove to us you are a moron? No one in their right mind denies horrible attrocites committed upon our native Americans by white colonial settlers. However it is YOU who stated that "our native American population is all but gone." So once again I will take the time to educate you by bringing you up to date on our native American population. And I wish you good luck with your reading disorder.
Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health
The Native American population and its culture was destroyed, replaced by Europeans. Any bullshit you post is just bullshit. The fact that we have managed to prevent their extinction by putting them in reservations does not change the fact you racist punk.
The problem for you and your Israeli friends is that there are just too many non-Jews in and around Israel for the Jews to be able to eliminate the Christians and Muslims of Palestine in the same way.
Are you First Nation or are you a European invader and coloniser. If the later then you are in no position to complain about anyone else migrating to another land, in fact when you do it shows that you are two faced and a hypocrite and should be thinking of handing the deeds to your property back to the First nations people and becoming a homeless bum because we don't want racists like you in Europe.
Israel's version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians.
The 'Palestinians' don't want peace. They want victory over Israel.
I don't recall anyone saying they want Israel. And who said no Jews?Israel's version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians.
You have that the wrong way round as it is the Palestinians version of peace that is all of Palestine and Israel without the Jews
Yep! Our native American population is all but gone. Amazing what we can learn here from Monte. Heh Heh!
Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health
Keep it up you little racist wanker. Now you will maintain that the Europeans were welcomed with open arms by the native americans.
Why don't you educate yourself you ignorant little punk.
"Numerous atrocities against Native Americans span the hundreds of years from the first arrival of European explorers to the modern era under a wide range of circumstances. Today there are over 500 Native American tribes in the United States, each with a distinct culture, way of life and history. Even today, Native Americans face large challenges to cope with the disadvantages history has left them and ongoing cases of discrimination.
Atrocities Against Native Americans - United to End Genocide
- 10 million+ Estimated number of Native Americans living in land that is now the United States when European explorers first arrived in the 15th century
- Less than 300,000 Estimated number of Native Americans living in the United States around 1900
- 5.2 million identified as American Indian or Alaska Native in the 2010 census"
How many times will you prove to us you are a moron? No one in their right mind denies horrible attrocites committed upon our native Americans by white colonial settlers. However it is YOU who stated that "our native American population is all but gone." So once again I will take the time to educate you by bringing you up to date on our native American population. And I wish you good luck with your reading disorder.
Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health
The Native American population and its culture was destroyed, replaced by Europeans. Any bullshit you post is just bullshit. The fact that we have managed to prevent their extinction by putting them in reservations does not change the fact you racist punk.
The problem for you and your Israeli friends is that there are just too many non-Jews in and around Israel for the Jews to be able to eliminate the Christians and Muslims of Palestine in the same way.
Are you First Nation or are you a European invader and coloniser. If the later then you are in no position to complain about anyone else migrating to another land, in fact when you do it shows that you are two faced and a hypocrite and should be thinking of handing the deeds to your property back to the First nations people and becoming a homeless bum because we don't want racists like you in Europe.
I think you would have to say that some of my European ancestors led the very first Europeans to invade the New World successfully. The Vikings were first, but not so successful.
Israel's version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians.
The 'Palestinians' don't want peace. They want victory over Israel.
They probably just want their land and homes back.
If it's the Pals that don't want peace, then why is Israel the one always breaking the ceasefires?The 'Palestinians' don't want peace. They want victory over Israel.
If it's the Pals that don't want peace, then why is Israel the one always breaking the ceasefires?The 'Palestinians' don't want peace. They want victory over Israel.
All the Pals want is for the occupation to end.
Israel's version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians.
The 'Palestinians' don't want peace. They want victory over Israel.
They probably just want their land and homes back.
Just like the people you stole the land and homes from want theirs back. Just think if the arab muslims win their false claim the First Nations will be next to put in their claim and you will be a stateless person. You will be just like the Jews were bums wandering the world with no place to call home
Israel's version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians.
The 'Palestinians' don't want peace. They want victory over Israel.
They probably just want their land and homes back.
Just like the people you stole the land and homes from want theirs back. Just think if the arab muslims win their false claim the First Nations will be next to put in their claim and you will be a stateless person. You will be just like the Jews were bums wandering the world with no place to call home
Native Americans are less than 2% of the U.S. population. Very sad, but true.
I don't recall anyone saying they want Israel. And who said no Jews?Israel's version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians.
You have that the wrong way round as it is the Palestinians version of peace that is all of Palestine and Israel without the Jews
Israel's version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians.
The 'Palestinians' don't want peace. They want victory over Israel.
They probably just want their land and homes back.
Just like the people you stole the land and homes from want theirs back. Just think if the arab muslims win their false claim the First Nations will be next to put in their claim and you will be a stateless person. You will be just like the Jews were bums wandering the world with no place to call home
Native Americans are less than 2% of the U.S. population. Very sad, but true.
All because of you European invaders and colonisers. Now what percentage of Palestine is arab to show that the European's have not ethnically cleansed the native population, but have in fact increased it through better medical care and better food
Against this maximalist background, the PLO subsequently changed much of its strategies and policies. For example, by 1969, the PLO envisioned the possibility of a new solution to the problem of Palestine, one that satisfies the Palestinian need for self-determination and, at the same time, recognizes the reality of Jewish presence on Arab land. By then, the objective of the PLO became focused on establishing what became known as a democratic, progressive, secular state in Palestine, in which Arabs and Jews would live together in one state.I don't recall anyone saying they want Israel. And who said no Jews?Israel's version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians.
You have that the wrong way round as it is the Palestinians version of peace that is all of Palestine and Israel without the Jews
Read the hamas/fatah/PLO charters to answer both your questions.
Actually, there are more than 6 million Palestinians, probably over 12 million including the diaspora. That's the problem for the Jews. More non-Jews are living in land Jews control than Jews. That is why the Jews should consider compromising to avoid becoming an Algeria or Rhodesia. The South African solution, if not ideal, is much better.
