Israel tells the US to Go Fxxx Itself, again.

[CMike]

oh the ISRAEL INSIDER! yea! excellent.

Is that better?

 

[al Haq]

oh the ISRAEL INSIDER! yea! excellent.

Is that better?

Nice try but no cigar

There are three million Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip and West Bank including Jerusalem, one million Palestinians living inside the borders of Israel, and another four million Palestinian refugees living elsewhere in the world, including the United States. The footage in question depicted between 20 and 40 individuals.

The Palestinians in the footage were mostly young children. Most of their behaviour in the footage appeared to be no different from how Palestinian children always behave when foreign journalists turn up in their towns, crowding and smiling at the camera and giving the victory sign that has been a symbol of Palestinian steadfastness under Israeli military occupation since the first Intifada in 1987. There is not a single reporter with any experience of carrying a camera into the Palestinian West Bank under any circumstance who couldn't get similar footage on any day they visited the occupied territories.

Where genuine rejoicing at the attacks was indeed apparent in the footage, anchors interpreting the footage made no effort to offer any context or background to the images, nor any attempt to separate those Palestinians portrayed from Palestinians as a whole. A comparable situation would be television anchors angrily reacting to scenes of the 1991 riots in Los Angeles, lamenting that "blacks do not respect law and order", while failing to note the preceding attack on Rodney King or endemic racial profiling of the black community in the U.S. by police forces.

...

For the last year now, Palestinian civilians have been living through a nightmare in which Israeli occupation forces have been nightly shelling their towns using tanks, helicopters, and other heavy weapons. Palestinians do not need a subscription to Jane's Defence Weekly to learn the origin of many of these weapons when they can pick up shell casings from the floors of their homes and from their backyards with MADE IN THE U.S.A. stamped on them. Weaponry used against Palestinians during the Intifada, much of which has been supplied to Israel by the United States or covered at some level by U.S. aid includes:

Heavy weapons:

F-16 fighter planes, Apache and Cobra attack helicopters, and Reshef patrol boats to attack Palestinian buildings and vehicles; and

Armoured pile drivers and armoured bulldozers to destroy Palestinian homes and agricultural land.

Heavy ammunition:

Naval and tank artillery including 76mm, 105mm and 120mm high explosive rounds;

M114 TOW rockets and Hell-Fire air-to-ground missiles; Shoulder-fired, anti-armour Light Anti-tank Weapons (LAW) rocket launchers firing 84mm or 90mm rockets; M203 and MK19 grenade launchers;

40-90 mm mortars; and

A modified version of the M494 105mm, an anti-personnel cluster bomb.

Smaller ammunition:

5.56 mm bullets for M-16 machine guns;

7.62 mm high velocity bullets for general purpose machine guns and Galil sniper rifles;

12.7 mm bullets for Browning machine guns and Barret sniper rifles; and

The "less lethal" rubber-coated and plastic-coated metal bullets.

...

The U.S. weaponry listed above has not been used proportionally for the purpose of defending Israel -- as one would hope any military aid is used -- but rather has been used disproportionally and offensively to kill over 600 Palestinians, one-third of whom are children, 60 percent of whom were killed outside of clash situations. The U.S. weaponry listed above has additionally been used to seriously injure another 15,000 Palestinians, 1,500 of whom have been crippled for life. That Israel has used "excessive force" to suppress the current Palestinian uprising against 34 years of its military occupation is a fact according to the United Nations Security Council, other UN bodies, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Israeli human rights organisation B'Tselem, and the US State Department. However offensive the images of the small groups of Palestinians that were celebrating may be, the fact is that all those depicted in the images -- if they are under 34 years of age -- have known nothing but military occupation for the entirity of their lives. That celebration was the reaction of only a tiny minority of people in such a situation is a testimony to the Palestinians' maintainance of human values in a situation devoid of them.

...

As those of us who live in the U.S. are currently feeling justifiable anger at the perpetrators behind yesterday's shocking and horrifying events in New York and Washington DC, let us not misdirect it at an entire people who continue to suffer through one of the darkest periods of their already bleak history. The Palestinian people, who sit glued to their television sets in disturbed silence like the rest of the world, are actually better placed than most to understand what those of us living in America currently feel and are finding it hard to express.

Linkie:
ei: The Palestinian people, as a whole, portrayed as supportive of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon

 

[The Rabbi]

How is building an apartment complex in your capital a threat to peace in the region? It isn't like they're lobbing missiles into civilian areas. Now that would be a threat to peace.

Again - Israel may build all the apartments it wants in its capital. It's the building in occupied Jerusalem that is the problem.

And its undivided eternal capital is Jerusalem.
Thanks for the permission. Now go blow yourself.
Up.

 

[al Haq]

How is building an apartment complex in your capital a threat to peace in the region? It isn't like they're lobbing missiles into civilian areas. Now that would be a threat to peace.

Again - Israel may build all the apartments it wants in its capital. It's the building in occupied Jerusalem that is the problem.

And its undivided eternal capital is Jerusalem.
Thanks for the permission. Now go blow yourself.
Up.

You can repeat your fantasy as many times as you like. But as all other countries in the world have agreed: Jerusalem is occupied territory.

 

[CMike]

Not according to the US. As a matter of American law it's israels capital.

Obama is probably Kenyan so he doesn't understand.

And Hillary was too busy tounging her palestinian lezbos.

 

[The Rabbi]

Again - Israel may build all the apartments it wants in its capital. It's the building in occupied Jerusalem that is the problem.

And its undivided eternal capital is Jerusalem.
Thanks for the permission. Now go blow yourself.
Up.

You can repeat your fantasy as many times as you like. But as all other countries in the world have agreed: Jerusalem is occupied territory.

Doesn't really matter what other countries agree now does it?

 

[al Haq]

Not according to the US. As a matter of American law it's israels capital.

Obama is probably Kenyan so he doesn't understand.

And Hillary was too busy tounging her palestinian lezbos.

I have already given you the link to the State Department confirmation that U.S. policy is unchanged - the status of Jerusalem is an issue to be determined through negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.

Congressional recommendations are not binding on foreign policy.

 

[al Haq]

And its undivided eternal capital is Jerusalem.
Thanks for the permission. Now go blow yourself.
Up.

You can repeat your fantasy as many times as you like. But as all other countries in the world have agreed: Jerusalem is occupied territory.

Doesn't really matter what other countries agree now does it?

Apparently it does matter. At least until Israel makes its way to the exclusive circle of "most powerful nations" who decide such issues.

 

[Marc39]

Not according to the US. As a matter of American law it's israels capital.

Obama is probably Kenyan so he doesn't understand.

And Hillary was too busy tounging her palestinian lezbos.

I have already given you the link to the State Department confirmation that U.S. policy is unchanged - the status of Jerusalem is an issue to be determined through negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.

Congressional recommendations are not binding on foreign policy.

Mecca and Medina are the capitals of the Islamos
Jerusalem is the capital of the Jews.

 

[The Rabbi]

You can repeat your fantasy as many times as you like. But as all other countries in the world have agreed: Jerusalem is occupied territory.

Doesn't really matter what other countries agree now does it?

Apparently it does matter. At least until Israel makes its way to the exclusive circle of "most powerful nations" who decide such issues.

It only matters to the loser Palestinians, who have much less power than Israel.

 

[Marc39]

Again - Israel may build all the apartments it wants in its capital. It's the building in occupied Jerusalem that is the problem.

And its undivided eternal capital is Jerusalem.
Thanks for the permission. Now go blow yourself.
Up.

You can repeat your fantasy as many times as you like. But as all other countries in the world have agreed: Jerusalem is occupied territory.

International law and history are not arbitrarily decided by "all other countries" Jerusalem is the historical and legal capital of the Jews and of Israel.

 

[al Haq]

Doesn't really matter what other countries agree now does it?

Apparently it does matter. At least until Israel makes its way to the exclusive circle of "most powerful nations" who decide such issues.

It only matters to the loser Palestinians, who have much less power than Israel.

International law is not determined by the Palestinians.

 

[The Rabbi]

Apparently it does matter. At least until Israel makes its way to the exclusive circle of "most powerful nations" who decide such issues.

It only matters to the loser Palestinians, who have much less power than Israel.

International law is not determined by the Palestinians.

You got that right.

 

[al Haq]

It only matters to the loser Palestinians, who have much less power than Israel.

International law is not determined by the Palestinians.

You got that right.

The fact that Jerusalem is occupied territory has been acknowledged by the world - it's not a matter for either Israelis or Palestinians to unilaterally determine.

 

[The Rabbi]

International law is not determined by the Palestinians.

You got that right.

The fact that Jerusalem is occupied territory has been acknowledged by the world - it's not a matter for either Israelis or Palestinians to unilaterally determine.

You got that wrong.
It is for Israel to determine. They won the war.

 

[al Haq]

You got that right.

The fact that Jerusalem is occupied territory has been acknowledged by the world - it's not a matter for either Israelis or Palestinians to unilaterally determine.

You got that wrong.
It is for Israel to determine. They won the war.

Irrelevant. An occupying power has no right to annex territory or transfer its civilian population into that territory.

The U.S. won the Iraq war. However, it may not consider Iraq the 51st state.

 

[Marc39]

The fact that Jerusalem is occupied territory has been acknowledged by the world - it's not a matter for either Israelis or Palestinians to unilaterally determine.

You got that wrong.
It is for Israel to determine. They won the war.

Irrelevant. An occupying power has no right to annex territory or transfer its civilian population into that territory.

Except, Israel is not an occupying power. Judea and Samaria are not sovereign Arab states and, thus, cannot be occupied.

Furthermore, the binding Palestine Mandate has assigned the territory to the Jews.

Thus, Pallies are occupying the territory and must be expelled.

 

[al Haq]

You got that wrong.
It is for Israel to determine. They won the war.

Irrelevant. An occupying power has no right to annex territory or transfer its civilian population into that territory.

Except, Israel is not an occupying power. Judea and Samaria are not sovereign Arab states and, thus, cannot be occupied.

Furthermore, the binding Palestine Mandate has assigned the territory to the Jews.

Thus, Pallies are occupying the territory and must be expelled.

Your opinion is at odds with the rest of the world.

 

[cupe doll]

There’s been a mass media blitz the past week how Israel humiliates Obama by building in Jerusalem.

Regardless what anyone believes worst — buildings or killings. Regardless even who one blames all the killings on. Islamist societies, for never ceasing shooting at Israel, for always bragging how they will genocide Israel — for going so far as to charter themselves on Israel’s genocide. Or whether one blames Israel — if just because at this moment kill ratios so heavily favour Israel. Regardless. What’s with all the humiliation language in the media?

It isn’t new of course. Some years back it seemed everything Israeli was deemed to humiliate Muslims. It seemed there could be no coverage of the bitterness between Islamist and Israeli societies without humiliation of Muslims alleged in explanation. Until someone, somewhere, suggested of course Muslims are humiliated each every time Israel defends herself successfully. And, just like that, from one week to the next — all the humiliation language ceased and utterly desisted. Until last week.

Of course successful Israeli self-defending humiliates Muslims. How could it not? Genociding Israel in 1948 was expected to require days or at most weeks. Instead? Nothing but epic failing when it first came to genociding Israel in 1948.

It must have been unbelievable. Unthinkable. As if there was some error in divine judgment. That’s why Islamist societies absolutely had to unite and try again. And again. And each time they did? Went from bad to worst.

Nothing can unite Islamist societies like their endlessly advertised genocidal ambitions when it comes to Israel. Yet, in that sole and singular passion uniting Islamist societies? There has been only shame of endless failure. Islamism united cannot eradicate one country lesser than New York — City — in population. Like, whose side is g0d on, anyhow?

Of course such failure in a peoples’ manifest destiny and identity entails the most agonizing humiliation. It is the naqba. The catastrophe. Not the creation of Israel. The ongoing failure to destroy Israel.

And while the meaning of Islam’s humiliation was not understood? It was only natural for Western media to sympathize. Yet the moment it was even suggested the humiliation of Islamist societies was due to Israel not hurrying up and dying already? Then humiliation could not again be mentioned. Since mentioning it could no longer evoke sympathy in Western audiences. Only nausea.

Until last week, that is. When Western media once again adopted humiliation language. Not in reference to individual Muslims or to Islamist societies — but to Joe Biden and President Obama.

Never mind how humiliated President Obama isn’t. It is a terrible idea for Western media to adopt language insinuating he might be. Because once the connection has been made how Israeli survival entails Islamist humiliation? That’s right. Implications cannot be avoided that President Obama can be humiliated by Israeli sovereignty — and perhaps very survival — in the same way. And that’s an idea too terrible for words or language. The very idea that President Obama could feel in some manner humiliated by Israel independently surviving.

It remains to ask what prompted Western media to adopt humiliation language again. Could there be Western media elements feeling humiliated by Israeli sovereignty — and perhaps very survival? Might Western media elements be projecting that sense of humiliation onto President Obama? That’s worth asking. Next time.

 

[al Haq]

<<Lengggggggthy screed lifted from some Zio-blog without even a mention of the author>>

It seems that cutting and pasting without due sourcing is de riguer among Zio-defenders.

Note: Plagiarism is immoral, and theft of intellectual property is a crime.