Israel comes first

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    Netanyahu says he knows what's best for Israel and that Israel should continue a policy that just enrages everyone, so why does he need US aid? If he doesn't use it properly, cut the 'aid'. Since he can do it all by himself and he's confident his occupy style policy will succeed.
     
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    It's not about it. Obama simly "stings" him back because Bibi got involved in the American elections, so he does the same. But it doesn't help him, because now Israelis are pissed at Obama, since he failed when it comes to the Arab spring and now pretends to know what is "best for us". On that I agree. We know what is best for us and even if Bibi is elected again it will be because our people wish it.
     
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    What is the US Israel's servant? Nobody has control over the Arabic world revolutions and changes, the rightful people declare what they want and the governments will start to listen to their people more. Yeah I know Netanyahu was interfering with the US elections and his attitude toward Obama is disgusting, especially when he rejected a two state solution based on 67 lines. Never the less, Israelis think they know what's best for them, and they wish for more Jewish majority and 'security', even though they jeopardize their security everyday by continuing their policies. Israelis need to stop thinking the Middle East revolves around them as if they control the whole Middle East. They can't change nothing, the more true governments the worse it gets for Israel because is Israel is a country based on violence and the Arabs will always protest Israeli offensives like they did in the last one. We are with our people.
     
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    I don't have any problem with Israel Firsters unless they are non-Israelis...if they are Americans then our loyalty is to America not to a foreign power.


    Unfortunately in AIPAC Controlled American Politics, the terror on money politics gives Israel an edge...You think the NRA is a powerful lobby, AIPAC supersedes it in money contributions with a fraction of the membership.

    Americans, ask why we've lost the Middle East to Islamists?
     
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    And you don't have a problem with an American (BIK) saying Arab nations come first for him?
     
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    Netanyahu's refusal of accepting the 67 borders was backed up by most of Israelis, who applouded this decision. when he spoke then he spoke in behalf of us, and it was hardly about Obama-Bibi, but more about Israel.

    We know what is best for us. Who knows besides us? The ones who threw us into pitholes and shot our grandfather's heads in Poland? Or the ones today who are more busy condemning rebuilt of Jerusalem then carnage in the Haleb University? Yes, the way that the world behaves these days makes it clear that WE know best when it comes to our destiny and that WE, just like you Americans, have the right to say that we don't want others to get involved in our politics.

    The Middle East is ALL about violence, which I think we all know its roots. Israel is hardly 1% of the MidEast, yet the only thing the MidEast is united for, is hatred for Israel. YOU make us the center of attantion, it's not us demanding that place.
     
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    Because you surrend to the fanatic Islamic terror?
     
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    Where did I say that?
     
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    I doubt the Israelis think 'the US is Israel's servant': that whole schtick is just anti-Jewish propaganda. Yes, anti-Jewish and not confined to anti-Israel.

    There is - no doubt about it! - some point at which 'pro-elsewhere' is going to become 'not supporting the US' or possibly even 'conflicting with the US'. ANY 'elsewhere' - even Canada or the UK.

    But simply supporting the continued existence of a State of Israel is certainly nowhere near that point. Nor is the degree of support which most American Jews have for Israel anywhere close to that point.

    The kinds of comments that Phil is making are basically a re-iteration of the canard that 'Jews never have true loyalty to anything but themselves'.

    We should be seeing identical comments about every American who states they place something else above the Constitution....... including their Christian or Muslim faith.
     

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