Israel and US discuss defunding of UNRWA

[Humanity]

And Israel and the Jews are none of your business.

You are funny!

 

[Humanity]

Are you a Turk that you seem to want to defend Turkey invading the Northern part of Cyprus and refusing to give it back?

My nationality is of no concern of yours...

However, you are clearly lacking any understanding of Cyprus and TRNC as well as Israel!

 

[Humanity]

The end of UNWRA would make all the difference in keeping Millions of Arabs under the claim of refugees

It sure would...

Would make life much simpler for Israel!

 

[Sixties Fan]

Are you a Turk that you seem to want to defend Turkey invading the Northern part of Cyprus and refusing to give it back?

My nationality is of no concern of yours...

However, you are clearly lacking any understanding of Cyprus and TRNC as well as Israel!

If I am ignorant of what is going on in Cyprus, so be it. I will go to the right thread to learn about it or research it online.

You are beyond presumptuous to allege that I do not know what goes on in Israel, or about Israel.

Stay secretive about your nationality. It does not matter at all. I can read about what happened between Turkey and Cyprus without your attempting to make yourself the know it all about it.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The end of UNWRA would make all the difference in keeping Millions of Arabs under the claim of refugees

It sure would...

Would make life much simpler for Israel!

And here we are. Where your answer about the Arabs in Gaza, etc really does not matter to you.

They thank you for treating them that way.
You are exactly what keeps the farce going.

 

[rylah]

The ‘lost deal’: US paid UNRWA in 1952 to end Arab refugee problem
REVEALED: US-Israel historian Kobby Barda has uncovered the ‘forgotten’ chapter of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: US President Truman’s administration gave the Arab nations and Israel $1.5 billion [in today’s equivalency] to resolve the Middle East refugee problem. – But only Israel fulfilled its obligation.

“The U.S. undertook to fund a solution to the refugee problem in the Middle East. A message Harry S. Truman sent Congress explicitly says that this is where the matter ends. It was a commitment the president made in a letter to convince Congress to vote for the aid bill. In other words, an important chapter in the history of the conflict has been lost, simply swept away by history. The people who worked on it aren’t alive anymore, and there’s no one who will put it back on the table. Now, when the Trump Administration is coming up with new ideas to solve the conflict and address the refugee issue, the information takes on new relevance.

(Jewish refugees from Yemen cross desert to reach Israel. – Photo Courtesy: Israeli National Photo Archive)

“This information completely changes the perspective on the matter of [the Palestinians’] right of return. There are two nascent sides, both of whom a rich uncle agreed to pay so they could solve their problems about the refugees once and for all, just like what happened in the population exchanges between Greece and Turkey after World War I, and in the spirit of the action taken to rehome the German refugees in central and eastern Europe, who after World War II were returned to Germany, partly through the Marshall Plan. Both sides received hefty sums of money and were told: take compensation and let’s move on,” Barda says.

“Israel took in refugees from Arab countries and didn't perpetuate their status by giving them any different status [here]. Arab counties didn't do that – even though it was clear that the Americans had given them the money so they could feed the refugees, develop agriculture, provide housing and employment for them – in addition to the aid that was transferred directly to the U.N. Relief and Works Agency.

“If today [U.S. President] Donald Trump really wants to make a move toward creating a mechanism of compensation for the refugees, particularly with Jordan, where most of them live, he can take into account that any additional compensation will in effect be superfluous. This story could be a very powerful card to play, as Jordan and other countries have already received money to take in refugees,” Barda says.

 

[Hollie]

A good read below for some perspective on the bloated, Islamic Terrorist Maintenance and Endowment Program that defines UNRWA.

For as long as the West continues to support ineptitude and failure, the “Palestinians” will continue to come begging. We continue to throw money at a problem that will not be cured. For example, UNRWA is among the world's largest welfare programs. It exists purely to perpetuate the invented "refugee" status of Arabs-Moslems who fled their homes when Arab armies told them to get out of the way so the Jew-genocide could commence. It's the only such agency dedicated to further two, competing Islamic terrorist enclaves and until very recently, it squandered millions of dollars annually from U.S. taxpayers to stuff the bank accounts of Islamic terrorists.



US decision to defund UNRWA was correct, it removes a major obstacle to peace
By Ron Prosor, Opinion Contributor — 09/14/18 12:20 PM EDT

US decision to defund UNRWA was correct, it removes a major obstacle to peace

When the State Department announced that the U.S would stop funding the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA), many believed it to be an ill-considered move. Some argued that it would increase the chance for another round of violence, destroy the United States position as an honest broker, and create a humanitarian disaster.

Nothing could be further from the truth. One comprehensive look at UNRWA’s record over the years should leave anyone with only one question – How in the world was this not done many years ago?

The United Nations Relief Works Agency was established in 1949 for the exclusive benefit of Palestinian refugees. Its core mandate was to assist and house those Palestinian refugees displaced in the war. Sadly, it has done neither of those, and in an epic way.

How do we know? Because the numbers don’t lie.

Since 1948, despite wars with neighboring countries and internal flare-ups, there has not been one single event that has left “new” displaced refugees. Yet, during these 70 years, the amount of refugees under UNRWAs auspices ballooned from 700,000 to almost 5.5 million. This phenomenon of a growing, rather than decreasing, number of refugees is of course a farce. Over 50 percent of the so-called refugees have found homes across the globe many years ago, and would not be considered refugees by any other standard other than UNRWAs, and UNRWA has been making little progress of “ending” the refugee status of the other 50 percent.

 

[member]

A good read below for some perspective on the bloated, Islamic Terrorist Maintenance and Endowment Program that defines UNRWA.

For as long as the West continues to support ineptitude and failure, the “Palestinians” will continue to come begging. We continue to throw money at a problem that will not be cured. For example, UNRWA is among the world's largest welfare programs. It exists purely to perpetuate the invented "refugee" status of Arabs-Moslems who fled their homes when Arab armies told them to get out of the way so the Jew-genocide could commence. It's the only such agency dedicated to further two, competing Islamic terrorist enclaves and until very recently, it squandered millions of dollars annually from U.S. taxpayers to stuff the bank accounts of Islamic terrorists.



US decision to defund UNRWA was correct, it removes a major obstacle to peace
By Ron Prosor, Opinion Contributor — 09/14/18 12:20 PM EDT

US decision to defund UNRWA was correct, it removes a major obstacle to peace

When the State Department announced that the U.S would stop funding the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA), many believed it to be an ill-considered move. Some argued that it would increase the chance for another round of violence, destroy the United States position as an honest broker, and create a humanitarian disaster.

Nothing could be further from the truth. One comprehensive look at UNRWA’s record over the years should leave anyone with only one question – How in the world was this not done many years ago?

The United Nations Relief Works Agency was established in 1949 for the exclusive benefit of Palestinian refugees. Its core mandate was to assist and house those Palestinian refugees displaced in the war. Sadly, it has done neither of those, and in an epic way.

How do we know? Because the numbers don’t lie.

Since 1948, despite wars with neighboring countries and internal flare-ups, there has not been one single event that has left “new” displaced refugees. Yet, during these 70 years, the amount of refugees under UNRWAs auspices ballooned from 700,000 to almost 5.5 million. This phenomenon of a growing, rather than decreasing, number of refugees is of course a farce. Over 50 percent of the so-called refugees have found homes across the globe many years ago, and would not be considered refugees by any other standard other than UNRWAs, and UNRWA has been making little progress of “ending” the refugee status of the other 50 percent.

"The United Nations Relief Works Agency was established in 1949 for the exclusive benefit of Palestinian refugees. Its core mandate was to assist and house those Palestinian refugees displaced in the war. Sadly, it has done neither of those, and in an epic way. How do we know? Because the numbers don’t lie."

everybody's cutting funds to the palestinians because of their dabbling in terrorism. poor little pinmore and his smiling girls ain't gettin' what they need - a life there without world known terrorists "1/2" in charge. and the other half...are goof offs..

 

[USAF 2023]

She claims (and I agree wholeheartedly) that the return of the refugees descendants is intended primarily to reverse Jewish self-determination and destroy the nation of Israel.

Oh the irony.

You are drawing a false equivalence and here's the test:

What land is (or should be) Jewish land? If your answer is, "None, its all Palestinian land", then your intention is to negate Jewish rights to self-determination. Nearly all Palestinians, nearly everyone on this board on the "pro-Palestinian" side, and many in the international community hold this view.

Now ask the opposite question of the pro-Israelis. What land is (or should be) Palestinian land? You will likely get a variety of answers -- but all of them will have one thing in common -- there is both Palestinian land and Jewish land. Oh, we'll argue about where it is and how much each should have, but both things exist. No one on the pro-Israel side will say that there is no such thing as Palestinian land. There is no intent, on the Jewish side to negate Palestinian rights to self-determination.

Its is THE fundamental cause of the conflict.

No one on the pro-Israel side will say that there is no such thing as Palestinian land. There is no intent, on the Jewish side to negate Palestinian rights to self-determination.

Are you serious? Israel has been trying to wipe Palestine off the Map and Palestinians out of history for a hundred years.

Didn’t know Israel existed in 1918.

 

[rylah]

When Palestinians are serviced by UNHCR they are granted equal rights as all refugees in the world, and get resettled. When they go through UNRWA they stay in refugee camps for generations.

UNHCR works, while UNRWA is the biggest money fraud in the UN.

Here's the proof:

 

[P F Tinmore]

She claims (and I agree wholeheartedly) that the return of the refugees descendants is intended primarily to reverse Jewish self-determination and destroy the nation of Israel.

Oh the irony.

You are drawing a false equivalence and here's the test:

What land is (or should be) Jewish land? If your answer is, "None, its all Palestinian land", then your intention is to negate Jewish rights to self-determination. Nearly all Palestinians, nearly everyone on this board on the "pro-Palestinian" side, and many in the international community hold this view.

Now ask the opposite question of the pro-Israelis. What land is (or should be) Palestinian land? You will likely get a variety of answers -- but all of them will have one thing in common -- there is both Palestinian land and Jewish land. Oh, we'll argue about where it is and how much each should have, but both things exist. No one on the pro-Israel side will say that there is no such thing as Palestinian land. There is no intent, on the Jewish side to negate Palestinian rights to self-determination.

Its is THE fundamental cause of the conflict.

No one on the pro-Israel side will say that there is no such thing as Palestinian land. There is no intent, on the Jewish side to negate Palestinian rights to self-determination.

Are you serious? Israel has been trying to wipe Palestine off the Map and Palestinians out of history for a hundred years.

Didn’t know Israel existed in 1918.

No, but Britain, working on the behalf of the Zionists since 1917, did.

 

[P F Tinmore]

A good read below for some perspective on the bloated, Islamic Terrorist Maintenance and Endowment Program that defines UNRWA.

For as long as the West continues to support ineptitude and failure, the “Palestinians” will continue to come begging. We continue to throw money at a problem that will not be cured. For example, UNRWA is among the world's largest welfare programs. It exists purely to perpetuate the invented "refugee" status of Arabs-Moslems who fled their homes when Arab armies told them to get out of the way so the Jew-genocide could commence. It's the only such agency dedicated to further two, competing Islamic terrorist enclaves and until very recently, it squandered millions of dollars annually from U.S. taxpayers to stuff the bank accounts of Islamic terrorists.



US decision to defund UNRWA was correct, it removes a major obstacle to peace
By Ron Prosor, Opinion Contributor — 09/14/18 12:20 PM EDT

US decision to defund UNRWA was correct, it removes a major obstacle to peace

When the State Department announced that the U.S would stop funding the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA), many believed it to be an ill-considered move. Some argued that it would increase the chance for another round of violence, destroy the United States position as an honest broker, and create a humanitarian disaster.

Nothing could be further from the truth. One comprehensive look at UNRWA’s record over the years should leave anyone with only one question – How in the world was this not done many years ago?

The United Nations Relief Works Agency was established in 1949 for the exclusive benefit of Palestinian refugees. Its core mandate was to assist and house those Palestinian refugees displaced in the war. Sadly, it has done neither of those, and in an epic way.

How do we know? Because the numbers don’t lie.

Since 1948, despite wars with neighboring countries and internal flare-ups, there has not been one single event that has left “new” displaced refugees. Yet, during these 70 years, the amount of refugees under UNRWAs auspices ballooned from 700,000 to almost 5.5 million. This phenomenon of a growing, rather than decreasing, number of refugees is of course a farce. Over 50 percent of the so-called refugees have found homes across the globe many years ago, and would not be considered refugees by any other standard other than UNRWAs, and UNRWA has been making little progress of “ending” the refugee status of the other 50 percent.

The UNWRA is an aid agency only. The UNCCP has the mandate to resolve the problem.

 

[rylah]

A good read below for some perspective on the bloated, Islamic Terrorist Maintenance and Endowment Program that defines UNRWA.

For as long as the West continues to support ineptitude and failure, the “Palestinians” will continue to come begging. We continue to throw money at a problem that will not be cured. For example, UNRWA is among the world's largest welfare programs. It exists purely to perpetuate the invented "refugee" status of Arabs-Moslems who fled their homes when Arab armies told them to get out of the way so the Jew-genocide could commence. It's the only such agency dedicated to further two, competing Islamic terrorist enclaves and until very recently, it squandered millions of dollars annually from U.S. taxpayers to stuff the bank accounts of Islamic terrorists.



US decision to defund UNRWA was correct, it removes a major obstacle to peace
By Ron Prosor, Opinion Contributor — 09/14/18 12:20 PM EDT

US decision to defund UNRWA was correct, it removes a major obstacle to peace

When the State Department announced that the U.S would stop funding the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA), many believed it to be an ill-considered move. Some argued that it would increase the chance for another round of violence, destroy the United States position as an honest broker, and create a humanitarian disaster.

Nothing could be further from the truth. One comprehensive look at UNRWA’s record over the years should leave anyone with only one question – How in the world was this not done many years ago?

The United Nations Relief Works Agency was established in 1949 for the exclusive benefit of Palestinian refugees. Its core mandate was to assist and house those Palestinian refugees displaced in the war. Sadly, it has done neither of those, and in an epic way.

How do we know? Because the numbers don’t lie.

Since 1948, despite wars with neighboring countries and internal flare-ups, there has not been one single event that has left “new” displaced refugees. Yet, during these 70 years, the amount of refugees under UNRWAs auspices ballooned from 700,000 to almost 5.5 million. This phenomenon of a growing, rather than decreasing, number of refugees is of course a farce. Over 50 percent of the so-called refugees have found homes across the globe many years ago, and would not be considered refugees by any other standard other than UNRWAs, and UNRWA has been making little progress of “ending” the refugee status of the other 50 percent.

The UNWRA is an aid agency only. The UNCCP has the mandate to resolve the problem.

All refugees in the world go through UNHCR, except for Palestinian Arabs who demand a special status even after being resettled.

UNRWA is all fraud.

 

[rylah]

 

[P F Tinmore]

A good read below for some perspective on the bloated, Islamic Terrorist Maintenance and Endowment Program that defines UNRWA.

For as long as the West continues to support ineptitude and failure, the “Palestinians” will continue to come begging. We continue to throw money at a problem that will not be cured. For example, UNRWA is among the world's largest welfare programs. It exists purely to perpetuate the invented "refugee" status of Arabs-Moslems who fled their homes when Arab armies told them to get out of the way so the Jew-genocide could commence. It's the only such agency dedicated to further two, competing Islamic terrorist enclaves and until very recently, it squandered millions of dollars annually from U.S. taxpayers to stuff the bank accounts of Islamic terrorists.



US decision to defund UNRWA was correct, it removes a major obstacle to peace
By Ron Prosor, Opinion Contributor — 09/14/18 12:20 PM EDT

US decision to defund UNRWA was correct, it removes a major obstacle to peace

When the State Department announced that the U.S would stop funding the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA), many believed it to be an ill-considered move. Some argued that it would increase the chance for another round of violence, destroy the United States position as an honest broker, and create a humanitarian disaster.

Nothing could be further from the truth. One comprehensive look at UNRWA’s record over the years should leave anyone with only one question – How in the world was this not done many years ago?

The United Nations Relief Works Agency was established in 1949 for the exclusive benefit of Palestinian refugees. Its core mandate was to assist and house those Palestinian refugees displaced in the war. Sadly, it has done neither of those, and in an epic way.

How do we know? Because the numbers don’t lie.

Since 1948, despite wars with neighboring countries and internal flare-ups, there has not been one single event that has left “new” displaced refugees. Yet, during these 70 years, the amount of refugees under UNRWAs auspices ballooned from 700,000 to almost 5.5 million. This phenomenon of a growing, rather than decreasing, number of refugees is of course a farce. Over 50 percent of the so-called refugees have found homes across the globe many years ago, and would not be considered refugees by any other standard other than UNRWAs, and UNRWA has been making little progress of “ending” the refugee status of the other 50 percent.

The UNWRA is an aid agency only. The UNCCP has the mandate to resolve the problem.

All refugees in the world go through UNHCR, except for Palestinian Arabs who demand a special status even after being resettled.

UNRWA is all fraud.

The UN felt that they had responsibility for Palestinian refugees because of resolution 181. Resolution 194 was passed in 1948 to defined refugees and established UNCCP to provide a solution based on resolution 194. UNWRA was established in 1949, with a different definition of refugees based on the need for aid. The UNWRA does not have the authority to resolve the refugee problem.

 

[Mindful]

She claims (and I agree wholeheartedly) that the return of the refugees descendants is intended primarily to reverse Jewish self-determination and destroy the nation of Israel.

Oh the irony.

You are drawing a false equivalence and here's the test:

What land is (or should be) Jewish land? If your answer is, "None, its all Palestinian land", then your intention is to negate Jewish rights to self-determination. Nearly all Palestinians, nearly everyone on this board on the "pro-Palestinian" side, and many in the international community hold this view.

Now ask the opposite question of the pro-Israelis. What land is (or should be) Palestinian land? You will likely get a variety of answers -- but all of them will have one thing in common -- there is both Palestinian land and Jewish land. Oh, we'll argue about where it is and how much each should have, but both things exist. No one on the pro-Israel side will say that there is no such thing as Palestinian land. There is no intent, on the Jewish side to negate Palestinian rights to self-determination.

Its is THE fundamental cause of the conflict.

No one on the pro-Israel side will say that there is no such thing as Palestinian land. There is no intent, on the Jewish side to negate Palestinian rights to self-determination.

Are you serious? Israel has been trying to wipe Palestine off the Map and Palestinians out of history for a hundred years.

Didn’t know Israel existed in 1918.

No, but Britain, working on the behalf of the Zionists since 1917, did.

The Britains were Arabists. Maybe still are.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh the irony.

You are drawing a false equivalence and here's the test:

What land is (or should be) Jewish land? If your answer is, "None, its all Palestinian land", then your intention is to negate Jewish rights to self-determination. Nearly all Palestinians, nearly everyone on this board on the "pro-Palestinian" side, and many in the international community hold this view.

Now ask the opposite question of the pro-Israelis. What land is (or should be) Palestinian land? You will likely get a variety of answers -- but all of them will have one thing in common -- there is both Palestinian land and Jewish land. Oh, we'll argue about where it is and how much each should have, but both things exist. No one on the pro-Israel side will say that there is no such thing as Palestinian land. There is no intent, on the Jewish side to negate Palestinian rights to self-determination.

Its is THE fundamental cause of the conflict.

No one on the pro-Israel side will say that there is no such thing as Palestinian land. There is no intent, on the Jewish side to negate Palestinian rights to self-determination.

Are you serious? Israel has been trying to wipe Palestine off the Map and Palestinians out of history for a hundred years.

Didn’t know Israel existed in 1918.

No, but Britain, working on the behalf of the Zionists since 1917, did.

The Britains were Arabists. Maybe still are.

What gives you that idea?

 

[Mindful]

You are drawing a false equivalence and here's the test:

What land is (or should be) Jewish land? If your answer is, "None, its all Palestinian land", then your intention is to negate Jewish rights to self-determination. Nearly all Palestinians, nearly everyone on this board on the "pro-Palestinian" side, and many in the international community hold this view.

Now ask the opposite question of the pro-Israelis. What land is (or should be) Palestinian land? You will likely get a variety of answers -- but all of them will have one thing in common -- there is both Palestinian land and Jewish land. Oh, we'll argue about where it is and how much each should have, but both things exist. No one on the pro-Israel side will say that there is no such thing as Palestinian land. There is no intent, on the Jewish side to negate Palestinian rights to self-determination.

Its is THE fundamental cause of the conflict.

No one on the pro-Israel side will say that there is no such thing as Palestinian land. There is no intent, on the Jewish side to negate Palestinian rights to self-determination.

Are you serious? Israel has been trying to wipe Palestine off the Map and Palestinians out of history for a hundred years.

Didn’t know Israel existed in 1918.

No, but Britain, working on the behalf of the Zionists since 1917, did.

The Britains were Arabists. Maybe still are.

What gives you that idea?

It's not an idea.

 

[rylah]

A good read below for some perspective on the bloated, Islamic Terrorist Maintenance and Endowment Program that defines UNRWA.

For as long as the West continues to support ineptitude and failure, the “Palestinians” will continue to come begging. We continue to throw money at a problem that will not be cured. For example, UNRWA is among the world's largest welfare programs. It exists purely to perpetuate the invented "refugee" status of Arabs-Moslems who fled their homes when Arab armies told them to get out of the way so the Jew-genocide could commence. It's the only such agency dedicated to further two, competing Islamic terrorist enclaves and until very recently, it squandered millions of dollars annually from U.S. taxpayers to stuff the bank accounts of Islamic terrorists.



US decision to defund UNRWA was correct, it removes a major obstacle to peace
By Ron Prosor, Opinion Contributor — 09/14/18 12:20 PM EDT

US decision to defund UNRWA was correct, it removes a major obstacle to peace

When the State Department announced that the U.S would stop funding the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA), many believed it to be an ill-considered move. Some argued that it would increase the chance for another round of violence, destroy the United States position as an honest broker, and create a humanitarian disaster.

Nothing could be further from the truth. One comprehensive look at UNRWA’s record over the years should leave anyone with only one question – How in the world was this not done many years ago?

The United Nations Relief Works Agency was established in 1949 for the exclusive benefit of Palestinian refugees. Its core mandate was to assist and house those Palestinian refugees displaced in the war. Sadly, it has done neither of those, and in an epic way.

How do we know? Because the numbers don’t lie.

Since 1948, despite wars with neighboring countries and internal flare-ups, there has not been one single event that has left “new” displaced refugees. Yet, during these 70 years, the amount of refugees under UNRWAs auspices ballooned from 700,000 to almost 5.5 million. This phenomenon of a growing, rather than decreasing, number of refugees is of course a farce. Over 50 percent of the so-called refugees have found homes across the globe many years ago, and would not be considered refugees by any other standard other than UNRWAs, and UNRWA has been making little progress of “ending” the refugee status of the other 50 percent.

The UNWRA is an aid agency only. The UNCCP has the mandate to resolve the problem.

All refugees in the world go through UNHCR, except for Palestinian Arabs who demand a special status even after being resettled.

UNRWA is all fraud.

The UN felt that they had responsibility for Palestinian refugees because of resolution 181. Resolution 194 was passed in 1948 to defined refugees and established UNCCP to provide a solution based on resolution 194. UNWRA was established in 1949, with a different definition of refugees based on the need for aid. The UNWRA does not have the authority to resolve the refugee problem.

This is exactly why UNHCR is an effective refugee body - it's detached from politics. While with the money spent on UNRWA millions of real refugees could have been resettled.

There're no real excuses here, it's a fraud.

 

[Shusha]

Resolution 194 was passed in 1948 to defined refugees and established UNCCP to provide a solution based on resolution 194. UNWRA was established in 1949, with a different definition of refugees based on the need for aid. The UNWRA does not have the authority to resolve the refugee problem.

This is more or less correct.

A couple of interesting things to note:

If the definition of refugees is solely based on need for aide (and I'm not at all convinced that it operates this way) through UNWRA, which has no authority to solve the issue, then that definition would only apply to need for aide and not for the resolution.

Based on Article 1D of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, should assistance through UNWRA cease, Palestinian refugees would be considered under UNHCR -- just like all other refugees in the world.