Israel and US discuss defunding of UNRWA

[Shusha]

Rumor has it Israel is going to make a push at the UN to have UNRWA defunded and dissolved, and hopes the US will support her by withdrawing funding from the organization. Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely meets with US administration and members of Congress this week to discuss.

She claims the return of refugees (and all their descendants) is a key obstacle to peace, and if that option was removed from the Palestinian mindset, peace would be more likely achievable. She claims (and I agree wholeheartedly) that the return of the refugees descendants is intended primarily to reverse Jewish self-determination and destroy the nation of Israel.

I'll also point out that the idea of refugee status being a hereditary condition is unprecedented in history and in international law.

 

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She claims (and I agree wholeheartedly) that the return of the refugees descendants is intended primarily to reverse Jewish self-determination and destroy the nation of Israel.

Oh the irony.

 

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U.S Vows to Fund a U.N. Agency For Palestinian Refugees Israeli Leader Wants Shuttered

 

[Indeependent]

U.S Vows to Fund a U.N. Agency For Palestinian Refugees Israeli Leader Wants Shuttered

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The Trump administration has pledged full funding to an oft-maligned U.N. relief agency for Palestinian refugees, defying calls by Israel’s Prime Minister and pro-Israel lawmakers to dismantle it, according to several diplomatic sources.

Nikki Haley, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, has privately assured the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, or UNRWA, that the United States, which provides more than $300 million to the agency each year, will maintain its current levels of funding to the organization. “America has long been committed to funding UNRWA’s important mission, and that will continue,” said one official at the U.S. mission to the United Nations.
U.S Vows to Fund a U.N. Agency For Palestinian Refugees Israeli Leader Wants Shuttered

 

[Roudy]

Tell us again why we should be sending hundreds of millions of our tax money to a bunch of 9-11 dancing terrorist dirtbags who indoctrinate their kids with anti Americanism, anti Westernism, bigotry and terror? Not to mention they use these same schools as rocket storage and launch sites. Are we freaking crazy sending them this kind of money or what?

 

[Roudy]

U.S Vows to Fund a U.N. Agency For Palestinian Refugees Israeli Leader Wants Shuttered

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Here's a summary of the article.

 

[Shusha]

She claims (and I agree wholeheartedly) that the return of the refugees descendants is intended primarily to reverse Jewish self-determination and destroy the nation of Israel.

Oh the irony.

You are drawing a false equivalence and here's the test:

What land is (or should be) Jewish land? If your answer is, "None, its all Palestinian land", then your intention is to negate Jewish rights to self-determination. Nearly all Palestinians, nearly everyone on this board on the "pro-Palestinian" side, and many in the international community hold this view.

Now ask the opposite question of the pro-Israelis. What land is (or should be) Palestinian land? You will likely get a variety of answers -- but all of them will have one thing in common -- there is both Palestinian land and Jewish land. Oh, we'll argue about where it is and how much each should have, but both things exist. No one on the pro-Israel side will say that there is no such thing as Palestinian land. There is no intent, on the Jewish side to negate Palestinian rights to self-determination.

Its is THE fundamental cause of the conflict.

 

[P F Tinmore]

She claims (and I agree wholeheartedly) that the return of the refugees descendants is intended primarily to reverse Jewish self-determination and destroy the nation of Israel.

Oh the irony.

You are drawing a false equivalence and here's the test:

What land is (or should be) Jewish land? If your answer is, "None, its all Palestinian land", then your intention is to negate Jewish rights to self-determination. Nearly all Palestinians, nearly everyone on this board on the "pro-Palestinian" side, and many in the international community hold this view.

Now ask the opposite question of the pro-Israelis. What land is (or should be) Palestinian land? You will likely get a variety of answers -- but all of them will have one thing in common -- there is both Palestinian land and Jewish land. Oh, we'll argue about where it is and how much each should have, but both things exist. No one on the pro-Israel side will say that there is no such thing as Palestinian land. There is no intent, on the Jewish side to negate Palestinian rights to self-determination.

Its is THE fundamental cause of the conflict.

No one on the pro-Israel side will say that there is no such thing as Palestinian land. There is no intent, on the Jewish side to negate Palestinian rights to self-determination.

Are you serious? Israel has been trying to wipe Palestine off the Map and Palestinians out of history for a hundred years.

 

[Shusha]

Are you serious? Israel has been trying to wipe Palestine off the Map and Palestinians out of history for a hundred years.

Don't be silly, with your little conspiracy theories. Israel has ALWAYS, since day one, acknowledged and accepted Palestinian rights and gone along with the concept of sharing the territory under two sovereignties, from the splitting off of Jordan, the acceptance of the Partition, consideration of the waqf on the Temple Mount, signing of Oslo, disengagement from Gaza, the Olmert plan, etc, etc, etc.

What land is Jewish land, Tinmore?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel has ALWAYS, since day one, acknowledged and accepted Palestinian rights and gone along with the concept of sharing the territory under two sovereignties,

Is that why Israel expelled 750,000 Palestinians in 1948 and continues to expel them today?

 

[Shusha]

Is that why Israel expelled 750,000 Palestinians in 1948 and continues to expel them today?

Did the surrounding ME countries expel their Jews because they WANTED the Jews on Jewish land and not on their land?

What land is Jewish land?

 

[Roudy]

Israel has ALWAYS, since day one, acknowledged and accepted Palestinian rights and gone along with the concept of sharing the territory under two sovereignties,

Is that why Israel expelled 750,000 Palestinians in 1948 and continues to expel them today?

Israel didn't expel anyone in 1948, that is Pallywood fake Muslims news. The refugees were created when five Arab countries attacked Israel to destroy it, not to create a Palestine. Then the Arabs put the refugee Arabs who later called themselves Palestinians into refugee camps in the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years. Then they used those same lands to attack Israel, this time losing those lands as well.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Is that why Israel expelled 750,000 Palestinians in 1948 and continues to expel them today?

Did the surrounding ME countries expel their Jews because they WANTED the Jews on Jewish land and not on their land?

What land is Jewish land?

Off topic.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel has ALWAYS, since day one, acknowledged and accepted Palestinian rights and gone along with the concept of sharing the territory under two sovereignties,

Is that why Israel expelled 750,000 Palestinians in 1948 and continues to expel them today?

Israel didn't expel anyone in 1948, that is Pallywood fake Muslims news. The refugees were created when five Arab countries attacked Israel to destroy it, not to create a Palestine. Then the Arabs put the refugee Arabs who later called themselves Palestinians into refugee camps in the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years. Then they used those same lands to attack Israel, this time losing those lands as well.

The refugees were created when five Arab countries attacked Israel to destroy it

Typical Israeli bullshit. About 300,000 Palestinians became refugees before the start of the war.

 

[Shusha]

Is that why Israel expelled 750,000 Palestinians in 1948 and continues to expel them today?

Did the surrounding ME countries expel their Jews because they WANTED the Jews on Jewish land and not on their land?

What land is Jewish land?

Off topic.

Not at all off-topic. The topic is defunding UNRWA. The reason for defunding UNRWA is because the INTENT of UNRWA is to falsely manufactured non-existent refugees with the purpose of "returning them" in order to destroy Israel.

Now, I have no problem with the idea of return (obviously). But just as Jewish returnees will return to Jewish land, Palestinian returnees will return to Palestinian land. At least for the foreseeable future, in order to preserve the integrity of each people's sovereignty.

The problem is when people, like yourself, claim there is no such thing as Jewish land.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Is that why Israel expelled 750,000 Palestinians in 1948 and continues to expel them today?

Did the surrounding ME countries expel their Jews because they WANTED the Jews on Jewish land and not on their land?

What land is Jewish land?

Off topic.

Not at all off-topic. The topic is defunding UNRWA. The reason for defunding UNRWA is because the INTENT of UNRWA is to falsely manufactured non-existent refugees with the purpose of "returning them" in order to destroy Israel.

Now, I have no problem with the idea of return (obviously). But just as Jewish returnees will return to Jewish land, Palestinian returnees will return to Palestinian land. At least for the foreseeable future, in order to preserve the integrity of each people's sovereignty.

The problem is when people, like yourself, claim there is no such thing as Jewish land.

People have been dancing around that question for years.

 

[Shusha]

People have been dancing around that question for years.

Not sure which question you mean.

Its time for UNRWA to be defunded and put to bed. There is no way that a Palestinian lawyer who was born and grew up in the US, went to Harvard and lives a nice, comfortable life in Boston should be designated as a refugee. There is no way people living in Gaza should be considered refugees (not saying they shouldn't be helped). It detracts from the people who are truly in need. It perpetuates dependency. It cements the idea of victimhood and entrenches their vulnerability, rather than putting into effect solutions. And, ironically, it doesn't actually take into account the real needs of the people it supposes to help.

But more importantly, the continued existence of UNRWA perpetuates the notion that five million Palestinians will return en masse to Israel. Its not going to happen. Its neither practical nor a long term solution to the problem.

UNRWA needs to be put to bed and all those truly in need should be moved into the care of UNHCR whose goal is to assist refugees rebuild a life with dignity and to assist them to repatriate, if possible (it is, but not to Israel), integrate into their communities of residence or resettle in a third country.

It was never the purpose of IHL to unbreak eggs. And we should stop trying.

 

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Israel has ALWAYS, since day one, acknowledged and accepted Palestinian rights and gone along with the concept of sharing the territory under two sovereignties,

Is that why Israel expelled 750,000 Palestinians in 1948 and continues to expel them today?

Israel didn't expel anyone in 1948, that is Pallywood fake Muslims news.

How come Wikipedia says otherwise?

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia

"catastrophe", or "cataclysm"),[1] occurred when more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Palestine war.[2] Between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were sacked during the war, while urban Palestine was almost entirely extinguished.[3] The term "nakba" also refers to the period of war itself and events affecting Palestinians from December 1947 to January 1949.

The precise number of refugees, many of whom settled in refugee camps in neighboring states, is a matter of dispute[4] but around 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants of what became Israel (50 percent of the Arab total of Mandatory Palestine) left or were expelled from their homes.[5][6] Approximately 250,000-300,000 Palestinians had fled or been expelled prior to the Israeli Declaration of Independence in May 1948; a fact which was named as a causus belli for the entry of the Arab League into the country, sparking the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

 

[P F Tinmore]

People have been dancing around that question for years.

Not sure which question you mean.

Its time for UNRWA to be defunded and put to bed. There is no way that a Palestinian lawyer who was born and grew up in the US, went to Harvard and lives a nice, comfortable life in Boston should be designated as a refugee. There is no way people living in Gaza should be considered refugees (not saying they shouldn't be helped). It detracts from the people who are truly in need. It perpetuates dependency. It cements the idea of victimhood and entrenches their vulnerability, rather than putting into effect solutions. And, ironically, it doesn't actually take into account the real needs of the people it supposes to help.

But more importantly, the continued existence of UNRWA perpetuates the notion that five million Palestinians will return en masse to Israel. Its not going to happen. Its neither practical nor a long term solution to the problem.

UNRWA needs to be put to bed and all those truly in need should be moved into the care of UNHCR whose goal is to assist refugees rebuild a life with dignity and to assist them to repatriate, if possible (it is, but not to Israel), integrate into their communities of residence or resettle in a third country.

It was never the purpose of IHL to unbreak eggs. And we should stop trying.

UNRWA is a temporary agency established to provide aid until the UNCCP fulfills its mandate laid out in Resolution 194.