Islam = Paganism/Polytheism

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    Islam is originally a Pagan religion with Allah as the "Top Moon God" Most muslims either are unaware, do not know or choose to be blind to this fact. Paganism has and always will be an Enemy of the One True God of the Christians and Jews. In fact the Muslims stole the lands of Christians by promising them protection from their enemies. These Christians were already weakened by tortures and wars etc. and they thought that the Muslims were coming to help them. Little did they know that they wanted to convert them into their Pagan faith. In addition they took over Persia which was already war torn and they were suprised at the ease at which they conquered Persia and thus they believed that their god had commissioned them to convert the World into an Islamic World. Pagans have always warred with Christians or used trickery and persuasion to draw them from the true God. Because Satan is the true leader of this faith and he has always been an Enemy of God. It's a great trick of his to try and trick people into believing that Islam is a Religion which follows the same God as Christians and Jews. However the roots of this faith proves it to be a lie since Idol Worship and belief in more than one god goes against the truth of Christianity and Judaism. A reminder that Satan is able to display himself in many forms, and that Islam (a religion of so-called minority) is seemingly a perfect tool for Satan to confuse and slander the Christians and Jews.

    Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138)

    But history establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad’s time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity...Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols." (The Moslem Doctrine of God, Samuel M. Zwemer 1905, p 24-25)

    In fact, he did not at first intend to establish a new religion, but rather to reform the belief in Allah which already existed, and to show what this belief truly signified and rightfully demanded. (Mohammed: The man and his faith, Tor Andrae, 1936, Translated by Theophil Menzel, 1960, p13-30)

    Key Points -
    There is absolutely no question that Allah was worshipped by the pagan Arabs as one of many polytheistic gods.
    Allah was worshipped in the Kabah at Mecca before Muhammad was born. Muhammad merely proclaimed a god the Meccans were already familiar with. The pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped.

    "The verses of the Qur’an make it clear that the very name Allah existed in the Jahiliyya or pre-Islamic Arabia. Certain pagan tribes believed in a god whom they called ‘Allah’ and whom they believed to be the creator of heaven and earth and holder of the highest rank in the hierarchy of the gods. It is well known that the Quraish as well as other tribes believed in Allah, whom they designated as the ‘Lord of the House’ (i.e., of the Ka’ba)...It is therefore clear that the Qur’anic conception of Allah is not entirely new." (A Guide to the Contents of the Qur’an, Faruq Sherif, (Reading, 1995), pgs. 21-22., Muslim)
    According to al-Masudi (Murudj, iv. 47), certain people have regarded the Ka'ba as a temple devoted to the sun, the moon and the five planets. The 36o idols placed round the Ka'ba also point in this direction. It can therefore hardly be denied that traces exist of an astral symbolism. At the same time one can safely say that there can be no question of any general conception on these lines. The cult at the Ka'ba was in the heathen period syncretic as is usual in heathenism. (First Encyclopedia of Islam, E.J. Brill, 1987, Islam, p. 587-591)
    The name Allah, as the Qur'an itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Arabia. The common theory is that it is formed from ilah, the common word for a god, and the article al-; thus al-ilah, the god," becomes Allah, "God." This theory, however, is untenable. In fact, the name is one of the words borrowed into the language in pre-Islamic times from Aramaic.
    "If a Muslim says, "Your God and our God is the same," either he does not understand who Allah and Christ really are, or he intentionally glosses over the deep-rooted differences." (Who Is Allah In Islam?, Abd-Al Masih, Light of Life, 1985, p. 36.)
    Now there dwelt in Mecca a god called Allah. He was the provider, the most powerful of all the local deities, the one to whom every Meccan turned in time of need. But, for all his power, Allah was a remote god. At the time of Muhammad, however, he was on the ascendancy. He had replaced the moon god as lord of the Kaaba although still relegated to an inferior position below various tribal idols and three powerful goddesses: al-Manat, goddess of fate, al-Lat, mother of the gods, and al-Uzza, the planet Venus. (Islam and the Arabs, Rom Landau, 1958 p 11-21)
    Muhammad no more invented Allah than he did al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat. The Cult of the deity termed simply "thc god" (al-ilah) was known throughout southern Syria and northern Arabia," and it was obviously of central importance in Mecca, where the building called the Ka'ba was indisputably his house. Indeed, the Muslim profession of faith, 11 there is no ilah except al-ilah," attests to precisely that point: the Quraysh are being called upon to repudiate the very existence of all the other gods save this one. It seems equally certain that Allah was not merely a god in Mecca but was widely regarded as the "high god," the chief and head of the Meccan pantheon, perhaps the result, as has been argued, of a natural progression toward henotheism or of the growing influence of Jews and Christians in the peninsula." The most convincing piece of evidence that the latter was at work is the fact that of all the gods of Mecca, Allah alone was not represented by an idol. (The Hajj, F. E. Peters, p 3-41, 1994)
    While Allah is best known as the principal god of Mecca, he was also worshiped in other places throughout Arabia as is shown by the occurrence of the name in Sabean, Minean and particularly Libyanite inscriptions." The Qur'an (xxix, 61) refers to the belief of the pagans in Allah as the creator of the heavens and the earth; and Muhammad's own father bore the name of `Abd Allah or `Abdullah, meaning the slave or worshiper of this god. In Mecca, Allah was worshiped in the Ka'bah and possibly represented by the famous Black Stone in that place. (The Archeology Of World Religions, Jack Finegan, 1952, p482-485, 492)
    When Mohammed proclaimed his creed: 'There is no God but Allah,' he was not trying to introduce a new God. His pagan countrymen knew and acknowledged this divinity. His name, Allah, occurs already in pre-Mohammedan times, both in inscriptions and in compound personal names like Abd Allah, 'servant of Allah.' The effective note in Mohammed's evangelistic preaching is that he is able to accuse the pagans of acknowledging Allah as the creator of heaven and earth, and yet failing to draw the only possible conclusion from their belief; which is, to worship Allah and none else besides Him. 'If thou ask them who hath created the Heavens and the Earth, and hath imposed laws upon the sun and the moon, they will certainly say, "Allah". . If thou ask them who sendeth rain from Heaven, and by it quickeneth the earth after it hath been dead, they will certainly answer "Allah"' (Sura 29, 6 1 and 63). When in extreme danger, especially on the sea, the pagans call upon Allah (29, 65; 31, 31; 17, 69), but when they are on land again, and feel safe, they share His divine honour with other beings. Allah is supposed to have given certain commandments and taboos to men (Sura 6, 139 ff.), and the most sacred oaths are sworn in His name (Sura 3,r, 40; 16, 40). Thus, even though Allah was not worshipped as He deserved, the cult of Allah was not entirely neglected. A species of tithing, or offering of the first-fruits of grain and cattle, was offered to Allah as well as to the other gods (6, 137). But, above all, Allah was apparently regarded as ,the Lord of the Ka'ba,' the God to whom the cult of the highest sanctuary of Central Arabia was dedicated. In one of the oldest Suras (io6) Mohammed urges his tribesmen, the Quraish, to worship 'the Lord of this house, who allows the two annual trade caravans to be equipped, and who cares for them, and permits them to dwell in security. Concerning himself he says that he has received the commandment to worship 'the Lord of the house,' i.e. the Ka'ba. Apparently, then, the Prophet and his countrymen fully agree that the God who is worshipped through the ritual of the Ka'ba is Allah. (Mohammed: The man and his faith, Tor Andrae, 1936, Translated by Theophil Menzel, 1960, p13-30)
    "That Islam was conceived in idolatry is shown by the fact that many rituals performed in the name of Allah were connected with the pagan worship that existed before Islam. ... Before Islam Allah was reported to be know as: the supreme of a pantheon of gods; the name of a god whom the Arabs worshipped; the chief god of the pantheon; Ali-ilah; the god; the supreme; the all-powerful; all-knowing; and totally unknowable; the predeterminer of everyone’s life destiny; chief of the gods; the special deity of the Quraish; having three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus), Manah (Destiny), and Alat; having the idol temple at Mecca under his name (House of Allah).; the mate of Alat, the goddess of fate. . ... Because of other Arabian history which points to heathen worship of the sun, moon, and the stars, as well as other gods, of which I believe Allah was in some way connected to. This then would prove to us that Allah is not the same as the true God of the Bible whom we worship, because God never changes." (Is Allah The Same God As The God Of The Bible?, M. J. Afshari, p 6, 8-9)
    "Muslims are notoriously loathe to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms" (Southern Arabia, Carleton S. Coon, Washington DC, Smithsonian, 1944, p 398)
    "But history establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad’s time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity...Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols." (The Moslem Doctrine of God, Samuel M. Zwemer 1905, p 24-25)
    "Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods [one for each day of the year] being worshipped in Arabia at the time Muhammad rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities... Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138)
    "Islam also owes the term "Allah" to the heathen Arabs. We have evidence that it entered into numerous personal names in Northern Arabia and among the Nabatians. It occurred among the Arabs of later times, in theophorous names and on its own." (Why I Am Not A Muslim, Ibn Warraq, 1995, p. 42)
    "Arabia in Muhammad’s time was polytheistic in its conception of the cosmos and tribal in its social structure. Each tribe had its own god(s) and goddess(es), which were manifest in the forms of idols, stones, trees, or stars in the sky." (Islamic Studies, A History of Religions Approach, Richard C. Martin, 2nd Ed., p 96)
    "Before Islam, the religions of the Arabic world involved the worship of many spirits, called jinn. Allah was but one of many gods worshiped in Mecca. But then Muhammad taught the worship of Allah as the only God, whom he identified as the same God worshiped by Christians and Jews." (A Short History of Philosophy, Robert C. Solomon, p. 130)

    Practicing Muslim admit the following about the origins of Islam:

    That the Hajj (pilgrimage) was practiced by pagans and adopted "as is" into Islam.
    That moon worshipped was popular in pre-Islamic Arabia.
    Lat, Uzza and Manat were worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia as the "daughters of Allah".
    The "daughters of Allah" were worshipped as goddesses at the Kaba in Mecca in pre-Islamic times.
    That Allah was worshipped by Muhammad’s Quraish tribe at the Kaba as the top ranking god among many lower polytheistic gods.
    That Muhammad’s Quraish tribe also believed in a top ranking moon god called Hubal that was distinguished from Allah.
    That Muhammad’s Quraish tribe had put an idol called Habal either on the roof of the Kaba or inside it, in pre-Islamic times.
    To our knowledge, no practicing Islamic scholar admits that Allah was worshipped as a moon god in pre-Islamic times.

    Islamic Truth
    http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-pre-islamic-origin.htm
    also see: Plight of Eastern Christians under Islam
    http://www.safeplace.net/members/mer/MER_CUII.html
     
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    Not the most convincing argument. Allah is simply the Word God translated into Arabic. The Bible in Arabic would have Allah every place God is in the english.

    Also if you want to get technical God and Jesus arent even Christian words they are Pagan. God comes from the roote Gott, which I believe was the celtic sun god or something like that. And Jesus comes from the Latin for 'son of Zeus'

    In Hebrew the God would likely be El, or Eloheim (which happens to be the language equivalent to Allah) and Jesus would be Yeshua, or Joshua.

    Quite frankly I dont think it matters what you call God. He is the same being regardless. God transcends the languages. And I have no doubt that there were some Arabs who worshiped God or Allah or whatever you want to call him before Mohammad came along.
     
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    Allah and Yaw'eh are not the same God's. For one thing Christ is God, a fact that Muslims do not acknowledge. So these are 2 separate religions and Christianity is the one true religion. Also if they were the same religion why do Muslims want to convert everyone including Jews and Christians (who are so called worshipping the same God) and why in Muslim countries (which Muslims stole from Jews and Christians) are the Christians and Jews allowed to only convert up to Islam and not in reverse. If it's the same religion. And why are Christians not allowed to have any more churches than what exist and why are there Muslims like in Turkey who have taken over Christian Temples to convert to Mosques? Why during the Ottoman period were there so many Christians perversly slaughtered? If we have the same God then everything would be cool and the Muslims would not concern themselves with wether a Christian built another Church or converted to Islam and went back to Christianity etc. In the same way we Christians are oppossed to the converting of our brothers and sisters to Islam, although we would never attack or harm them for such conversion but rather speak to them and pray for God to open their eyes.
     
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    thats starting with some bad premises. Judaism and Christianity are considered different religions and they worship the Same God. They simply worship Him in different ways. Mainly because both groups for the most part reject what Christ and the Prophets have said.

    God speaks to all nations. He calls ministers in all languages. He will teach all people according to their readiness to accept what He has to offer. The problem is when He gives a little rather than wait for more people tend to rush off and create theologies that dont mesh with the Great Plan of Happiness. I believe Islam is one of the relgions where God raised them to a better level from where they were and then like the rest, apostasy set it. Its the historic pattern. God reveals truth, men twist it.
     
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    But you still cannot answer my questions about Islam. All you did was make a statement.

    Christianity is the original and will always be the most important Faith in America. Those of us who are the true Americans will never let any other religion overpower the truth. We might have a bit of a struggle in the last days but we will still never accept Islam as an okay agenda in our Country. Although the ACLU (Communist Ran so called Civil Liberties Satanic Unity) might step up to promote Islam.

    You still cannot answer my questions. and to add to the list although I doubt you'll answer them....

    Why are women so belittled under Islam?

    Rapists are protected by Islamic law. The word of a woman, or any number of women, is not taken. For a conviction, four adult, male, Muslim witnesses are needed. In many Muslim countries the woman is punished instead; because she has claimed rape she has admitted to sex and can be punished. For example there are about 500 women imprisoned in Pakistan under these hudud laws.

    In December 626 CE at the well of Muraysi the Muslims surprised the army of the Banu l-Mustaliq. The Muslims lost one man dead and the unbelievers ten. The booty was excellent: two thousand camels, five thousand sheep and goats and two hundred women. A very beautiful captive was Juwayriyya, daughter of the chieftain. Muhammad saw her and she became wife number six.
    The victors wanted to have sex with their captives but the women were to be ransomed and not kept as slaves. Muhammad agreed that his men could use azl, that is to go into the women but withdraw before ejaculation. When a Jew called coitus interruptus ~the lesser child-murder" the Prophet said: "The Jews lie."25 <--- This is sick and gross and perverse. It's rape? Yes?

    The women, children and property (of the Banu Qurayzah) were divided amongst those who had taken part in the siege. The Bani Nadir ransomed many of their kin but Muhammad kept for himself, as concubine, a beautiful Jewess named Rayhanah.

    The Prophet agreed to kill none of the Jews provided that they vacated Khaybar leaving all possessions behind. For concealing treasure two Jews, Kinana and his cousin were executed. Kinana's beautiful seventeen year old widow, Saffiyah was attractive to Muhammad and he married her. "He was as thirty men." (Hadith Bukhari Book 1, Vol 5, Number 268) <--- This is sick and gross and perverse.

    Hadith Abu Dawud, Book 11, number 2153
    The Apostle of Allah said: “it is not lawful for a man who believes in Allah and the Last Day to have intercourse with a captive woman till she is free from a menstrual course.” <--- This is sick and gross and perverse. If a women is required to have Sex while captive this is basically force and rape.

    A man went on a journey with the slave-girl of his wife and went into her. The envious wife reported it to Umar who said the husband would be stoned unless the slave girl was owned by him. The wife spoke out to save him: "I had given her as a gift."
    The Holy Prophet Mohammad condoned slavery ( even practised it as he owned concubines). Mohammad had two concubines Mariyah the Coptic, and Raihanah bint Zaid An-Nadriyah or Quraziyah. <--- This is sick and gross and perverse.

    Prophet Muhammad and Rape

    Rapists are protected by Islamic law. The word of a woman, or any number of women, is not taken. For a conviction, four adult, male, Muslim witnesses are needed. In many Muslim countries the woman is punished instead; because she has claimed rape she has admitted to sex and can be punished. For example there are about 500 women imprisoned in Pakistan under these hudud laws.

    HRAIC considers sex with prisoners, sex with slaves and small children as rape.

    Rape of women prisoners
    In December 626 CE at the well of Muraysi the Muslims surprised the army of the Banu l-Mustaliq. The Muslims lost one man dead and the unbelievers ten. The booty was excellent: two thousand camels, five thousand sheep and goats and two hundred women. A very beautiful captive was Juwayriyya, daughter of the chieftain. Muhammad saw her and she became wife number six.
    The victors wanted to have sex with their captives but the women were to be ransomed and not kept as slaves. Muhammad agreed that his men could use azl, that is to go into the women but withdraw before ejaculation. When a Jew called coitus interruptus ~the lesser child-murder" the Prophet said: "The Jews lie."25

    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
    We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:

    Abu Sa'id al-Khudri said:
    The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, send down the Qur'anic verse: "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hand possess."[Surah 4:24] ...Sunan Abu Dawud, Book V, Chapter 711, Number 2150


    Are sex-slaves consenting partners?

    (We agree that all this happened in the Seventh Century, but unfortunately the Qur'an and Sunnah, sayings and actions of the Prophet, are still the basis for Islamic law today.)
    The women, children and property (of the Banu Qurayzah) were divided amongst those who had taken part in the siege. The Bani Nadir ransomed many of their kin but Muhammad kept for himself, as concubine, a beautiful Jewess named Rayhanah.

    The Prophet agreed to kill none of the Jews provided that they vacated Khaybar leaving all possessions behind. For concealing treasure two Jews, Kinana and his cousin were executed. Kinana's beautiful seventeen year old widow, Saffiyah was attractive to Muhammad and he married her. "He was as thirty men." (Hadith Bukhari Book 1, Vol 5, Number 268)

    The ruler of Egypt replied to the Prophet's letter. As far as converting to Islam was concerned, he was non-committal but he did send some fine presents including two Christian slave girls. One of these, Mariyah, the Prophet kept as a concubine and he visited her several times a day. His wives became so jealous that he was forced to swear that he would not see her again.
    A Revelation now known as "The Forbidding" rebuked the Prophet for submitting to the pressure of his wives. It was quite lawful for him to take a concubine and "perhaps if he divorces you, God will give him in exchange better wives than you... penitent, obedient... both known of men and virgins. O believers, save yourselves... from the Fire whose fuel is men and stones" (66:5-6)

    Hadith Abu Dawud, Book 11, number 2153
    The Apostle of Allah said: “it is not lawful for a man who believes in Allah and the Last Day to have intercourse with a captive woman till she is free from a menstrual course.”

    Hadith Malik 496:1540 A man went on a journey with the slave-girl of his wife and went into her. The envious wife reported it to Umar who said the husband would be stoned unless the slave girl was owned by him. The wife spoke out to save him: "I had given her as a gift."
    The Holy Prophet Mohammad condoned slavery ( even practised it as he owned concubines). Mohammad had two concubines Mariyah the Coptic, and Raihanah bint Zaid An-Nadriyah or Quraziyah.

    Treatment of Female Slaves, Concubines and victims of rape :
    "Slave-women of many ethnic origins were recruited in enormous numbers to staff the harems of the Islamic world -- as concubines or as menials, the two functions not being clearly differentiated.

    “A slave is the property of his/her master. He/She is subject to the master's power, insomuch that if a master should kill his slave he is not liable to retaliation. With female slaves a master has the mulk-i-moot at, or right of enjoyment, and his children by them, when acknowledged, have the same rights and privileges as his children by his wives. A slave is incompetent to anything that implies the exercise of authority over others. Hence a slave cannot be a witness, a judge, or an executor or guardian to any but his master and his children. A slave cannot inherit from anyone, and a bequest to him is a bequest to his master.” p. 367_Digest of Islamic Law_ N. Bailli e, Premier Book House (Pakistan).

    Slaves can be genitally mutilated (probably rape as laying a finger on the vulva appears to be current law)

    February 8, 1998 Web posted at: 1:03 p.m. EST (1803 GMT) MADHOL, Sudan -- Stacks of money pass from the Christian outsider to the Muslim trader, an exchange anxiously watched by a 13-year-old girl with diamonds of sweat on her brow. The Sudanese trader, his lap buried by currency worth $13,200, waves carelessly to free his merchandise -- 132 slaves. Akuac Malong, the young Dinka girl, is among them. She has spent seven years -- more than half her life -- enslaved by an Arab in northern Sudan. Her brilliant smile belies the beatings, near-starvation, mutilation [ the holy Prophet Mohammad SAW condoned and highly recommended Female Genital Mutilation or circumcision of women] and attempted brainwashing she endured. "I thought it would be better to die than to remain a slave," Akuac says.
    Her master also tried to make her a Muslim -- taking her to mosque and giving her the Arabic name of Fatima. But Akuac says she maintained her Christian faith, praying and singing hymns in secret and never forgetting her true name. "My name is my name and nobody can change that."

    Another returnee, Akec Kwol Kiir, who is in her 40s, says she was repeatedly raped by four soldiers who took her north. She ended up in a camp where slaves were bought and sold. "They treated us like cattle," she says. Her Arab master insisted that she, too, be circumcised. She refused, and was brutally slashed. Her ear is notched and her chin and neck scarred. Kwol finally submitted. "Otherwise, they would have killed me. Because I was a slave, they had the right to do whatever they wanted to me," she says.

    10 Aug. '00 Reformers in the Iranian parliament are seeking to raise the age of marriage for girls from 9 to 14 and boys from 15 to16. Currently the girl's age is determined by the A'isha/Muhammad marriage. She was six and he was fifty - he did "wait" until she was nine to consummate the marriage
    Penetration of young girls can seriously damage their reproductive organs, let alone any psychological harm it can do. The high maternal mortality rate can be directly attributed to this practice. Also children need time to have a childhood and also study.

    Ayatollah Khomeini:
    A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives.
    The man will not be eligible to marry the girls sister. …

    It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.

    Prophet Muhammad promises women to his warriors
    "You see, God will soon make you inherit their land, their treasures and make you sleep with their women"
     
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    Im not advocating Islam in anyway. Im just pointing out the lame argument that Allah is somehow some other God when all Allah is is the Arabic equivalent of the english word God which is itself derives from pagan origins. Making your original post rather pointless.
     
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    Why christianity/judaism is different than islam

    blood atonement-christianity/judaism believe man is born with a sinful nature and that sin is equivalent with death both spiritual and physical.god said that the only way to be forgiven of sin is by the shedding of blood through animal sacrifice.this is both a reminder of the gravity of sin and a picture of the promised redeemer who is to come and die for our sins paying the heavy debt in full and freeing us from sins bondage(jesus in christianity).
    god also told his people the jews what animals to sacrifice,how and when and where to offer those sacrifices.


    muslims do not believe in blood atonement.mohammed sacrificed unclean animals and violated the regulations of the levitical sacrifice system.mohammed also does not believe in a redeemer for sin.
     
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    I think its rather obvious that Judeo-Christianity is different than Islam. That wasnt my point at all.

    My point is this guy started off railing about how Islam is Pagan because Allah was considered one of many gods before Islam was established. I am simply pointing out that the roots of the words God and Jesus in english are Pagan in origin. But it doesnt matter what you call God, He is still the same person.

    Also, i want to point out that Christianity doesnot believe that animal sacrifice brought forgiveness of sin. The Animal sacrifice of the Mosiac law was to point The Israelites to the Infinite sacrifice of the Savior. It was a type for His coming.
     
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    Actually, Avatar, the word Jesus is a transliteration of the Greek Iesoos, which is how the Greeks transliterated the name Yeshua.
     
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    interesting. Hadnt heard that one. I was under the impression that Jesus came from latin meaning son of zeus. You learn something everyday.
     

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