Is wishing death upon a billion+ people compatible with the word of Jesus?

[Dot Com]

If you wish harm, disaster, and destruction on an entire group of people can you still be considered a Christian?

christianity is part of the barbaric monotheistic pantheon which includes judaism & islam

 

[Dot Com]

You are making the mistake of thinking Republican Christianity is the same as traditional Christianity. They have bastardized the name for their new religion. Their Jesus would wear a Brookes Brothers Suit. He would be white.

He would talk Ya'll.
They haven't adopted a new Bible yet, but it would include:
Let him die.
Feed the poor and they will breed.
Children work better hungry.

exactly!!! rdean CrusaderFrank

 

[emilynghiem]

According to the jewish/christian bible, yes yahweh/jesus was genocidal. According to Revelation, jesus was supposed to return and kill Vespian and overturn the Roman Empire leaving only 144,000 jews alive.

How do you get the Roman Empire out of this?

Rev_17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev_17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

17:8 says the beast was. Yes the beast was prior to John receiving the Revelation in AD 90-95. The next parts of the scripture says the beast was not. This would seem to rule out the Roman Empire since the Roman Empire is the very one in existence in AD 90-95 that had sentenced John to exile.

Dear the_human_being and Snouter
I'd say any government or political force that abuses authority to oppress and kill the masses
is on the side of Antichrist, which "was always in the world"
(the same as how Jesus was always in heaven with God since the beginning)

These both manifest in different ways.
Hitler and the Holocaust is seen as a manifestation of the Antichrist influence in the world.
Terrorism and the genocides going on in Africa and Europe now from ISIS and Boko Haram are Antichrist.
The tribal wars in America dividing the nation are like False Prophet (hate speech in the media that
foments war instead of resolving conflicts and restoring relations in peace) and Antichrist (abuse of govt by party power and corporate interests
to wrong the taxpayers and take advantage of the system at our expense instead of respecting equal justice and protection of the laws for all people)

These patterns occur in our daily relations and collectively in the global arena.
These are universal power struggles and the point is to resolve conflicts, break the cycles of abuse, and heal of the
damages of the past so wrongs can be righted and quit repeating these patterns of oppression and abuse for control.

Anything or anyone that is against God is antichrist. There have been antichrists throughout all of history. The Book or Revelation as well as the Book of Daniel and some other Scriptural references speak of an end time entity to appear just prior to the Second Advent. What you are referring to is the "spirit of antichrist" which is indeed a prevalent spirit of rebellion against God. This spirit is found in many people.

the_human_being
Agree I'm just being more specific which level of God we mean
God
Christ
Holy Spirit
EACH have an opposite force:
Satan
Antichrist
False Prophet

So if God is Truth, Love, Life, Wisdom
Satan is fear of the unknown, ignorance, being dead

If Christ is good conscience, charity justice for all,equal justice by law
Antichrist is unconscionable abuse of law and authority to oppress and coerce by fear

If Holy Spirit is divine mercy comfort grace and compassion
words of peace that bring healing
then False Prophet is divisive false speech that foments hostility and war

False Prophet and Antichrist are distinct
as are Holy Spirit and Christ Jesus

Justice comes with Mercy, these are inseparable under God,
yet distinct manifestations of God's loving truth that sets humanity free from strife and suffering

One God, but three main levels God manifests to man
Same with the opposites of God

 

[emilynghiem]

If you wish harm, disaster, and destruction on an entire group of people can you still be considered a Christian?

christianity is part of the barbaric monotheistic pantheon which includes judaism & islam

Dear Dot Com
which interpretation do you mean
if you were specific and didn't blame the truthful charities along with the politically corrupt institutions
I might agree with you
Yes the corruption to wage political wars is barbaric
But don't blame the charitable organizations for that

If you are going to make a blanket statement and blame
the most prevalent group, why not "blame all men for wars"
Why not "blame all humanity" for wars.

If you don't bother to specify WHICH groups did the barbaric acts,
why not blame ALL MEN and not bother to distinguish WHICH ONES did the violence.

Many feminists might agree with you, to blame ALL MEN for rape.
How is that different from blaming all Christianity Judaism and Islam for barbarism
instead of crediting the followers who live to stop the abuses, even give their lives in the name of justice and freedom

Are you going to condemn all followers for the corruption they also fought to eradicate?
Might as well blame all men for rape and war as a shortcut.
Do you really want to go there? Many feminists may applaud you:
http://www.houstonprogressive.org

 

[emilynghiem]

Dot Com if you or whoever voted YES that genocide is compatible
(A)
what about Jesus teaching that even holding ANGER or hatred in our hearts toward another is MURDER.
it kills the spirit of life and love

So MURDER is against the Ten Commandments that Jesus taught we should still keep,
that the spirit of the law is to
love God with all our heart mind and soul
Love our neighbor as ourselves and
Love one another as Jesus loves us.

Jesus didn't commit genocide against any person.
So how is loving our neighbors as Jesus did justifying genocide

The most he did was verbally reprimand a fig tree till it withered and died
and turned tables over in the temples. Where did he do anything to order humans to be killed off?

Did you answer YES to that question or someone else

(B) as for my reply to your blanket statement that all Christianity is part of the barbarism along with Judaism and Islam,
my point is how are we going to stop the equal and opposite namecalling and blame game.
Do you see it's mutual: One side blaming "all religion and followers" for the political wars;
while fundamental religionist equally blame anyone who is nontheistic is automatically against or anti-this that or the other and causing problems.

What about the peaceful nontheists who include Christians and others equally and aren't rejecting anyone. What about the people who take Christianity and religion seriously and commit to bringing peace and justice to all humanity through CIVILIZED support, charity outreach and healing to end poverty, sickness, abuse and war?

So if you don't like to see nontheists blamed collectively for destruction we had nothing to do with,
why blame Christianity and all Christians Jews and Muslims collectively for things not all of us supported but more people oppose.

I consider myself a member of both the nontheistic secular gentiles who prefer natural laws and science,
and a member of the Christian believers, though I prefer the secular language that reaches more people.

How can we stop the blame game by "label"
Do you like being blamed for something you didn't do
just because people associate you with that label?

Under Constitutional laws, there is something called DUE PROCESS by which people
are innocent until proven guilty. Last I checked most people prefer not to be accused judged and punished
for things other people did. Guilt by association doesn't fly in secular courts.
In fact, it can lead to charges of defamation of character and slander to falsely accuse someone of wrongs they didn't do.

So why would you practice this "guilt by association" if you don't agree to people doing that to you.
I certainly don't want to be judged for the actions of others.
Is this the game you want to keep playing?
If so Dot Com what do you expect to achieve by it?
Does it solve the problems complained about, or just make it worse
when both sides blame the other group. How is that solving anything?

 

[Dhara]

If you wish harm, disaster, and destruction on an entire group of people can you still be considered a Christian?

Yeah, I think it's fine for Christians to wish hate and mayhem on an entire group of people and still be considered Christian.

 

[The Irish Ram]

If you consider Muslims the enemy, then it would be compatible with the teachings of Christ to pray for your enemy. Not for their death but for a softening of their heart.
There is a difference between wanting a group of people dead and not being compatible living together. Not wanting our country to end up like the European countries that are letting large numbers of Muslims destroy their nations, and protecting our homeland has more to do patriotism, than religion, but the religious are permitted to voice an opinion also. It doesn't make them less Christian. But vengeance is not our job.

 

[Mudda]

If you wish harm, disaster, and destruction on an entire group of people can you still be considered a Christian?

If you don't want Armageddon in the ME, meaning destruction and death of the whole area, then Jesus can't make a comeback. Ipso facto, you're not a Christian.

 

[emilynghiem]

If you wish harm, disaster, and destruction on an entire group of people can you still be considered a Christian?

If you don't want Armageddon in the ME, meaning destruction and death of the whole area, then Jesus can't make a comeback. Ipso facto, you're not a Christian.

Dear Mudda
There is a difference between war/destruction of evil on the SPIRITUAL level of conscience.
And physical war and destruction that manifests from this.

Remember the Bible says to "resist not evil"

The point of Christian spiritual battle is to WIN on a spiritual level.
The teachings in Islam on Jihad also mean a struggle in the conscience to overcome
the bad and live in peace by doing the right thing. it does NOT have to mean physically violent war.

Unfortunately that does erupt where we have not finished resolving conflicts
and winning battles on the SPIRITUAL LEVEL. by healing and correcting things
spiritual first, then the relations follow, and we have world peace as a consequence.

The physical upheavals are going to happen until all this gets resolved.
Just because you don't want war to cause collateral damage and more destruction to fix,
does not mean we aren't Christian. A lot of the disease, war and suffering is going to happen
anyway, but where we seek to intervene in Christ Jesus name, we can reduce these symptoms
of ill, and be part of the process of breaking the cycle of generational issues repeating.

Seeking to break the cycle is also part of witnessing to the power and meaning of Christ Jesus.

 

[The Irish Ram]

If you wish harm, disaster, and destruction on an entire group of people can you still be considered a Christian?

If you don't want Armageddon in the ME, meaning destruction and death of the whole area, then Jesus can't make a comeback. Ipso facto, you're not a Christian.

Christians don't want Armageddon, they just know prophesy. HUGE difference. The Bible says that when it starts it will go quickly. What we are looking forward to isn't Armageddon, but the consequence of it. The return of Christ. It is Maranatha.> Come quickly Lord, not destruction, that we eagerly await.

 

[Dhara]

People have been predicting the end of the world for a long time, and it still continues.

 

[Dhara]

Isn't it just as likely that "Armageddon" is spiritual and not worldly war? Coming into peace within?

 

[Dhara]

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[Dhara]

Yeah, we get that. You hate Muslims.