Is there anyone left who thinks marijuana should be illegal?

[Mr. Shaman]

I would have no problem with a job firing someone for testing positive for marijuana even if it were legal.

It's legal for me to look at porn but if i do it at work you can rest assured I'll be fired.

Your ignorance is showing.......

Myth: Marijuana's Active Ingredient, THC, Gets Trapped in Body Fat

BTW.....the fact you even CONSIDER the possibility of looking at porn (at work), makes you a pervert in a lotta people's eyes.

Why should they risk....or, be forced....to work with/around you????

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It was a freaking hypothetical, I have never and would never look at porn at work. However if someone does they should be fired even though it's not illegal, just like if pot is legalized and someone smokes it at work they should be fired IF they're not doing their job.

Good grief

No, no, no, no, no, no, no....nobody said anything about getting high, at work.

YOU said.....​

"I would have no problem with a job firing someone for testing positive for marijuana even if it were legal."

BIG difference!!!!!

Try some o' this......

Writing Against Drug Testing

"Urinalysis remains the most popular means of drug detection available in the United States, particularly in workplace drug testing programs. It's also the most problematic.

Contrary to popular belief, urinalysis is not suitable for detecting drug impairment or recent employee drug use because the procedure only detects the presence of drug metabolites, not the presence of illicit drugs.

Drug metabolites are substances produced by the metabolism after a drug is ingested.

Though the presence of metabolites in urine is indicative that a certain type of drug may have been consumed previously, not all metabolites are psychoactive, nor does their detection prove per se that the parent drug is still present in the body."

 

[AVG-JOE]

But yes, there's still people who support the herbal arm of the DEA. I'm not one of them.

Most employers have a no-tolerance policy when it comes to drugs anyways. So if they suspect something's up, they can send you into a lab for testing. Even if/when weed is legalized, I feel okay upholding the ability of employers to continue this policy.

I agree ppl under the influence of any mind-altering substance should be held to strict standards. They put a business at risk by being loaded. If they don't care about their own increased errors or injuries due to short-term memory loss, they should be held responsible for contributing to an increased risk to others.

And what of the THOUSANDS of work-place accidents and incidents that are caused by greed, arrogance and stupidity?

Wouldn't it be simpler and cheaper to govern if we just agreed to take personal responsibility for our own fuck-ups, no matter what the cause?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

No, I do not lie. You are just an hysterical moron. There is vast amounts of research which clearly demonstrates the link between MJ and mental illness. Every single country in Europe accepts the results.... because the research is properly funded (by medical research councils) and shows results from longitudinal study results confirming the link. It's there. It's like cigarettes and lung cancer - you can deny it from now till doomsday, it will not change the facts.

the fact that you call me a "hysterical moron" is just what I would expect from a hysterical conservative moron.

I have tried to be polite to you over the years but apparently your insane anger and self-righteous dictatorial behavior is something that you just can't overcome.


I am NOT hysterical and i Am NOT a MORON


you PROVIDE no links...
just some vague reference to VAST AMOUNTS of RESEARCH that you can not provide any link to...

the facts are (you ignorant little conservative nanny state freedom hating fukkface)
MILLIONS of people smoke pot
they smoke it for YEARS
they do NOT EXHIBIT any mental illness (certainly none approaching what YOU appear to have)
pot is LESS DANGEROUS than alcohol (do you want alcohol criminalized? no? hypocrite)
pot is less dangerous than tobacco (do you want tobacco criminalized? no? hypocrite)
it's less dangerous than fatty foods and football and boxing..(you want to criminalize these? no? hypocrite)

even if it is true (which I doubt and you can NOT PROVE) that pot causes medical problems it is EQUALLY TRUE (or MORE TRUE) that alcohol, tobacco and fatty foods ALSO cause many (more) medical problems.

I have no doubt that you don't want any of THOSE criminalized

all which leads us to one conclusion

you are a deranged, hypocritical, hysterical conservative moron who wants a nanny state and hates freedom

Perhaps you should expand your research horizons beyond the nose on your face. All across Europe, for the past 20 years, they've been researching blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah......

Where's your LINK??????

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[Mr. Shaman]

I believe there's saliva testing for THC. It detects the active drug up to like 1 to 2 hours after use, which is about the average time of being high. But I've smoked some chronic that has had me blitzed for four hours.

And it has a higher false negative rate than other methods.

Even though it's more time-focused than urine, blood, or hair follicle tests, it's not as reliable an indicator of being under the influence as a breathalyser is for alcohol.

Can't find it....

HERE​

 

[AVG-JOE]

I would have no problem with a job firing someone for testing positive for marijuana even if it were legal.

It's legal for me to look at porn but if i do it at work you can rest assured I'll be fired.

I don't see why this whole on the spot testing stuff matters.

Fired.




Same for drinking, philandering, wasting time on personal calls, surfing for dates, stealing supplies and all the other stupid things you hear about employees and owners alike doing between 9 & 5.

After 5, though... well, that's MY time.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

If it is legal more would abuse it.
simple as that.
A fact of human nature.

Everything's temporary......

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And idealism is unrealistic when dealing with the human species.

Ah, yes....."conservative"-Absolutes.

How magical.....when you're grabbin'-at-straws....'cause logic is never an option..

 

[Mr. Shaman]

You want an on the spot test I get it, my explanations are showing why even in the scenarios you're spitting out that they aren't necessary.

You suspect someone is stoned, they take your future magical instant test, they fail, you fire them.

You suspect someone is stoned, they take the current test, they fail and maybe you don't get results for a few hours, you fire them.

....And, if their poor-performance is only because o' stress, depression or lack of sleep, they get a "pass", because....after all....poor-performance is just one o' those things you have to tolerate....when you're in the business of identifying & punishing "bad"-people.

(Yeah....where would this Country be, without our current-crop o' "professional-managers".

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You mean those who gave themselves mega bonuses while running our finiancial industry into the ground?

Nope......1st Level Managers....who THINK they're on-track to give themselves mega bonuses...
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[Mr. Shaman]

It has been proven that Marijuana has health benefits, but the only reason I agree it should be illegal is due to the harmful effects it has on the growing fetus' of pregnant women.

BZZZZZT!!!!!!

Strike four......

Myth: Marijuana Use During Pregnancy Damages the Fetus.

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[Charles_Main]

I would have no problem with a job firing someone for testing positive for marijuana even if it were legal.

It's legal for me to look at porn but if i do it at work you can rest assured I'll be fired.

I don't see why this whole on the spot testing stuff matters.

Fired.

The Problem is current tests only show if you have smoked in the last 28 Days or so. They as of yet can not prove you were "high" on the job. Here in Mich where we now have Medical Pot, there is already a big court case expected to go to our Supreme court over a guy who has a prescription and was fired by his job for testing positive.

Again the Employer has no proof what so ever that he was medicating at work anyways. All they know is he had used in the last 28 days.

Can you imagine if Testing for alcohol was so poor that you could get drunk on Saturday and fired for Blowing hot on the next Friday?

 

[Charles_Main]

It has been proven that Marijuana has health benefits, but the only reason I agree it should be illegal is due to the harmful effects it has on the growing fetus' of pregnant women.

BZZZZZT!!!!!!

Strike four......

Myth: Marijuana Use During Pregnancy Damages the Fetus.

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Um so what he is saying is it should be illegal for Everyone because pregnant chicks might use it. Hmm I guess Most Medications, Smokes, Booze, and anything else that might damage a fetus should just be outlawed then.

 

[AVG-JOE]

I would have no problem with a job firing someone for testing positive for marijuana even if it were legal.

It's legal for me to look at porn but if i do it at work you can rest assured I'll be fired.

I don't see why this whole on the spot testing stuff matters.

Fired.

The Problem is current tests only show if you have smoked in the last 28 Days or so. They as of yet can not prove you were "high" on the job. Here in Mich where we now have Medical Pot, there is already a big court case expected to go to our Supreme court over a guy who has a prescription and was fired by his job for testing positive.

Again the Employer has no proof what so ever that he was medicating at work anyways. All they know is he had used in the last 28 days.

Can you imagine if Testing for alcohol was so poor that you could get drunk on Saturday and fired for Blowing hot on the next Friday?

Testing Schmesting!

If you can't tell when someone's high they're dealer is ripping them off - high at work / drunk at work / stupid at work - loose your job.... After 5 however, is my time.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Pot is sending us to Hell in a bread basket.

It's to early for any enhancements and that's one of the funniest things I've ever seen!

 

[Cuyo]

More individual freedom is always more beneficial to society than the police/nanny state.

I'm all for individual freedom, but what I'm not seeing enough of is individual responsibility.

I have no problem with people being arrested for not being responsible once they have it. ex.) being arrested for drunk driving

People should also be arrested if stoned-driving. But it shouldn't be illegal to smoke weed in your own home.

Problem is, 'Stoned driving' is very difficult to prove. It's kind of a tradition in this country to only demonize and prosecute things that are cut and dry, easy to prove. Drunk driving? If that little machine says .08 or more, you're drunk driving. Stoned driving, I'm not aware of any test that can measure level of current intoxication.

But if someone comes up with such a test... You can be sure we'll suddenly hear an awful lot about the 'Epidemic of Stoned driving.'

 

[Cuyo]

I would have no problem with a job firing someone for testing positive for marijuana even if it were legal.

It's legal for me to look at porn but if i do it at work you can rest assured I'll be fired.

I don't see why this whole on the spot testing stuff matters.

Fired.




Same for drinking, philandering, wasting time on personal calls, surfing for dates, stealing supplies and all the other stupid things you hear about employees and owners alike doing between 9 & 5.

After 5, though... well, that's MY time.

You always get out at 5?

Pfft. Banker.

 

[Article 15]

I am less of a danger on the road stoned than I am sober.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

But yes, there's still people who support the herbal arm of the DEA. I'm not one of them.

Most employers have a no-tolerance policy when it comes to drugs anyways. So if they suspect something's up, they can send you into a lab for testing. Even if/when weed is legalized, I feel okay upholding the ability of employers to continue this policy.

....And, exactly what would constitute something being up????



You really want to give that kind o' latitude to some manager who (just) doesn't like you?​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

But yes, there's still people who support the herbal arm of the DEA. I'm not one of them.

Most employers have a no-tolerance policy when it comes to drugs anyways. So if they suspect something's up, they can send you into a lab for testing. Even if/when weed is legalized, I feel okay upholding the ability of employers to continue this policy.

so you think it proper for employers to be able to dictate to employes what they do with their unapid time?
fire you for eating irresponsibly off the clock and getting fat?
Fire you for using tobacco off the clock?
fire you for drinking off the clock?
Fire you for indulging in unapproved sexual practices off the clock?

I fully support an employers right to a sober and undrugged employee. ON the clock.

I've got a friend who works on-call for a railroad company and he's told me that he's not allowed to consume alcohol off the clock, even though he's over 21.

Typically, people aren't on-call, full-time. He is??

I'm thinkin'.....he's probably paid pretty-damned-well. If he's on-call....every-other-weekend....he should (probably) be able to manage that. Hell...I'D do it, if the compensation is worthwhile!!

If he's on-call, full-time, that'd have to have been understood, right from the start; a condition of employment.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yes many still think pot should be illegal.

I lean more towards it being legal as booze is.

But I do not think legalizing it would benefit our society.

Perhaps... but legalizing pot like alcohol sure would put a dent in the drug wars raging along the Rio Grand and points west.

Might even create a few jobs along the way for industrious gardeners.​

Dreams of a free market are worthy.

No doubt!!

If the laws were like wine/beer (Make your own; no sales), it'd put a SERIOUS dent into the whole organized-crime justification for Prohibition.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Who cares?

I used to go high a couple times to work when I used to smoke with my co-workers and never had a complaint. Put some eye drops and act "normal" and you're good.

It actually made my job a lot more enjoyable and if I ever had to work extra I didn't mind doing some extra work.

But hey that's just me.

And thank God, that's "just you". I dono't necessarily want people in our food chain, weapons handling, nuclear rectors, etc simply "acting normal"....

Your reasoning suggests there should be tests available to detect episodes of enraged insanity or the use of X (Ecstasy), Quaalude, Amphetamine, Khat, Spice and on and on. But there are no such tests, so what's the point of testing for marijuana if there are no tests for things which have far worse potential?

Also, while I agree that drug-testing is needed in such occupations as you've outlined do you really think there is need to test in all occupations. And do you know that police officers are not tested? Do you think they should be.

How about the Congress? Do you think they should be tested?

Exactly.....and, in every case, the manager who made the accusation should be tested....to measure whether-or-not his/her judgment is clouded.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yes... I am one who still supports it and other drugs being illegal... and my mind will not change on that

oh the irony of your support for the constitution while wanting to criminalize pot

golly
I'm shocked

yet another freedom hating nanny state loving conservative hypocrite

Lots of things are wrong and illegal that are not particularly part of the constitution... and that is all well and good.... you DEMs don't seem to mind on most of those though... I don't see you calling for it being against the constitution when you have pollution laws, now do you???

Covered!!!!!!!!!!!​

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