Is there anyone left who thinks marijuana should be illegal?

[Sarah G]

Nope.

 

[rikules]

Just curious.

Do you think hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars should be spent on keeping this drug illegal?

Seems most people I talk to of any political leaning seem to think this is a stupid concept, and I would agree.

Disclaimer= I've never smoked pot in my life, so no silly pothead assumptions please.

Yes... I am one who still supports it and other drugs being illegal... and my mind will not change on that

oh the irony of your support for the constitution while wanting to criminalize pot

golly
I'm shocked

yet another freedom hating nanny state loving conservative hypocrite

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yes, and Yes!

"Liberalism is a way of thinking about politics and government. Liberalism sees the personal freedom and equality as one of the highest goods."

Don't call yourself a liberal anymore if you don't care about personal freedoms. Your view towards the Drug War makes you sound like a Palin.

Ummmmm...I have NEVER called myself a liberal, nor do you have any clue as to my opinions on the Drug War, so lighten up, Francis.

....So....whatta you CALL this......​

So if someone's acting fine and doing their job fine they should be fired from what this test says?

How about if someone acts lazy and doesn't get their job done they should be fired? Stoned or not?

Yes, and Yes!

......being an impartial-observer????

No......it makes you a Drug-Warrior, alright....the Busy-Body Regiment.

I'm imagining........

 

[Dr.Drock]

I would have no problem with a job firing someone for testing positive for marijuana even if it were legal.

It's legal for me to look at porn but if i do it at work you can rest assured I'll be fired.

Your ignorance is showing.......

Myth: Marijuana's Active Ingredient, THC, Gets Trapped in Body Fat

BTW.....the fact you even CONSIDER the possibility of looking at porn (at work), makes you a pervert in a lotta people's eyes.

Why should they risk....or, be forced....to work with/around you????

​

It was a freaking hypothetical, I have never and would never look at porn at work. However if someone does they should be fired even though it's not illegal, just like if pot is legalized and someone smokes it at work they should be fired IF they're not doing their job.

Good grief

 

[Mr. Shaman]

More individual freedom is always more beneficial to society than the police/nanny state.

Yep we need more Heroin from Afganistan, Meth from the local cookers, etc.
MOre drug deformed babies.
More people driving 90 on our city streets with no insurance, etc.

Society is all about balance.

I am for most personal freedoms that to not negatively impact others.

You are for the personal freedom of having an abortion?

Whew!!!!!

There's surely no chance o' you D.A.R.E.-graduates running-around "acting normal"!!!!

​

 

[BlindBoo]

first off.....you lie...

there is NOT a VAST AMOUNT of research linking pot with mental illness


I have seen SOME LIMITED and QUESTIONABLE research making these links but I don't actually believe them

you appear to CHOOSE to believe them because of your biases and agenda

I know MANY people in their 40's, 50's, 60's who have been smoking pot since they were teenagers...

NONE of them exhibit any mental illness whatsoever

I'm almost sixty and have been smoking it (less now than 10 years ago ) since I was 18 and have developed NO mental illnesses whatsoever


as for medical costs going up (I agree with you)
our medical costs go up because irresponsible conservatives smoke tobacco, refuse to diet, eat fatty foods, drink alcohol...

I wish I had all THAT money back


but if I were to suggest criminalizing alcohol or tobacco or fatty foods YOU would be amongst the first to shout "liberal freedom hating nanny state lover taking away our RIGHTS and FREEDOMS!"

I agree that noboy should have to pay for the medical bills of irresponsible people who smoke tobacco or pot or drink alcohol or eat fatty foods....

but in a FREE country people should have the right to pick their own poisons and NOT BE TOLD by nanny state conservatives who HATE FREEDOM what they can or can't do with their own bodies

you can keep eating at mcdonalds and smoking your tobacco...

let the pot smokers have THEIR freedom, too

No, I do not lie. You are just an hysterical moron. There is vast amounts of research which clearly demonstrates the link between MJ and mental illness. Every single country in Europe accepts the results.... because the research is properly funded (by medical research councils) and shows results from longitudinal study results confirming the link. It's there. It's like cigarettes and lung cancer - you can deny it from now till doomsday, it will not change the facts.

the fact that you call me a "hysterical moron" is just what I would expect from a hysterical conservative moron.

I have tried to be polite to you over the years but apparently your insane anger and self-righteous dictatorial behavior is something that you just can't overcome.


I am NOT hysterical and i Am NOT a MORON


you PROVIDE no links...
just some vague reference to VAST AMOUNTS of RESEARCH that you can not provide any link to...

the facts are (you ignorant little conservative nanny state freedom hating fukkface)
MILLIONS of people smoke pot
they smoke it for YEARS
they do NOT EXHIBIT any mental illness (certainly none approaching what YOU appear to have)
pot is LESS DANGEROUS than alcohol (do you want alcohol criminalized? no? hypocrite)
pot is less dangerous than tobacco (do you want tobacco criminalized? no? hypocrite)
it's less dangerous than fatty foods and football and boxing..(you want to criminalize these? no? hypocrite)

even if it is true (which I doubt and you can NOT PROVE) that pot causes medical problems it is EQUALLY TRUE (or MORE TRUE) that alcohol, tobacco and fatty foods ALSO cause many (more) medical problems.

I have no doubt that you don't want any of THOSE criminalized

all which leads us to one conclusion

you are a deranged, hypocritical, hysterical conservative moron who wants a nanny state and hates freedom

CG has stated it before and as far as I know has never provided any proof. I hear that if she states it long enough it will become fact.

Like the guy who was high and one day he looked at his parents and thought they looked just like a LB of fine Columbian. So he proceeded chopped them up with an axe. Then his little sister walked in and she too look like a Lb, so yes he chopped her up with the axe too. It's a fact, at least that's what HJ told me! Damn Mary-J-wana.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yep we need more Heroin from Afganistan, Meth from the local cookers, etc.
MOre drug deformed babies.
More people driving 90 on our city streets with no insurance, etc.

Society is all about balance.

Making something legal doesn't mean more of it.

If heroine became legal I wouldn't rush to the store and buy it.

Same as a heroine addict having no problem getting it with it being illegal.

Like I said in the OP, weed was much easier for me to get as a kid than cigs or alcohol.

If it is legal more would abuse it.
simple as that.
A fact of human nature.

Everything's temporary......

​

 

[California Girl]

first off.....you lie...

there is NOT a VAST AMOUNT of research linking pot with mental illness


I have seen SOME LIMITED and QUESTIONABLE research making these links but I don't actually believe them

you appear to CHOOSE to believe them because of your biases and agenda

I know MANY people in their 40's, 50's, 60's who have been smoking pot since they were teenagers...

NONE of them exhibit any mental illness whatsoever

I'm almost sixty and have been smoking it (less now than 10 years ago ) since I was 18 and have developed NO mental illnesses whatsoever


as for medical costs going up (I agree with you)
our medical costs go up because irresponsible conservatives smoke tobacco, refuse to diet, eat fatty foods, drink alcohol...

I wish I had all THAT money back


but if I were to suggest criminalizing alcohol or tobacco or fatty foods YOU would be amongst the first to shout "liberal freedom hating nanny state lover taking away our RIGHTS and FREEDOMS!"

I agree that noboy should have to pay for the medical bills of irresponsible people who smoke tobacco or pot or drink alcohol or eat fatty foods....

but in a FREE country people should have the right to pick their own poisons and NOT BE TOLD by nanny state conservatives who HATE FREEDOM what they can or can't do with their own bodies

you can keep eating at mcdonalds and smoking your tobacco...

let the pot smokers have THEIR freedom, too

No, I do not lie. You are just an hysterical moron. There is vast amounts of research which clearly demonstrates the link between MJ and mental illness. Every single country in Europe accepts the results.... because the research is properly funded (by medical research councils) and shows results from longitudinal study results confirming the link. It's there. It's like cigarettes and lung cancer - you can deny it from now till doomsday, it will not change the facts.

the fact that you call me a "hysterical moron" is just what I would expect from a hysterical conservative moron.

I have tried to be polite to you over the years but apparently your insane anger and self-righteous dictatorial behavior is something that you just can't overcome.


I am NOT hysterical and i Am NOT a MORON


you PROVIDE no links...
just some vague reference to VAST AMOUNTS of RESEARCH that you can not provide any link to...

the facts are (you ignorant little conservative nanny state freedom hating fukkface)
MILLIONS of people smoke pot
they smoke it for YEARS
they do NOT EXHIBIT any mental illness (certainly none approaching what YOU appear to have)
pot is LESS DANGEROUS than alcohol (do you want alcohol criminalized? no? hypocrite)
pot is less dangerous than tobacco (do you want tobacco criminalized? no? hypocrite)
it's less dangerous than fatty foods and football and boxing..(you want to criminalize these? no? hypocrite)

even if it is true (which I doubt and you can NOT PROVE) that pot causes medical problems it is EQUALLY TRUE (or MORE TRUE) that alcohol, tobacco and fatty foods ALSO cause many (more) medical problems.

I have no doubt that you don't want any of THOSE criminalized

all which leads us to one conclusion

you are a deranged, hypocritical, hysterical conservative moron who wants a nanny state and hates freedom

Perhaps you should expand your research horizons beyond the nose on your face. All across Europe, for the past 20 years, they've been researching the impact of drugs on individuals. There is a wealth of firm, scientific research based information clearly demonstrating the fact that MJ can act as a trigger for a variety of mental illnesses.

You're a fucking idiot who expects others to spoon feed you information. I don't spoon feed anyone. The information is there, available via various research facilities, across the globe. I suggest you read up on it before you call me names that best suit you.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Making something legal doesn't mean more of it.

If heroine became legal I wouldn't rush to the store and buy it.

Same as a heroine addict having no problem getting it with it being illegal.

Like I said in the OP, weed was much easier for me to get as a kid than cigs or alcohol.

If it is legal more would abuse it.
simple as that.
A fact of human nature.

Actually.. Not necessarily, just look at Portugal. I'm wondering how people used to treat beer or alcohol back during the 30's. Did they abuse it more when it was legal or illegal?

I've read....when alcohol-Prohibition was repealed, there was a surge, of usage....but, it was short-lived.....after the amusement wore-off, and a "few" hangovers.​

 

[Sheldon]

I believe there's saliva testing for THC. It detects the active drug up to like 1 to 2 hours after use, which is about the average time of being high. But I've smoked some chronic that has had me blitzed for four hours.

And it has a higher false negative rate than other methods.

Even though it's more time-focused than urine, blood, or hair follicle tests, it's not as reliable an indicator of being under the influence as a breathalyser is for alcohol.

 

[Sheldon]

But yes, there's still people who support the herbal arm of the DEA. I'm not one of them.

Most employers have a no-tolerance policy when it comes to drugs anyways. So if they suspect something's up, they can send you into a lab for testing. Even if/when weed is legalized, I feel okay upholding the ability of employers to continue this policy.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

As an employer, I do see "effects", however these same sightings can be caused from stress, depression, lack of sleep, intoxication, etc. Hence a test needs to be developed that can tell me the level of marijuana in a person's system at that moment. One currently does not exist.

I see so if you suspect someone's stoned, then tell them to go take a piss test, they fail it, you fire them, what's wrong with that?

Never mind, Sparky. You are either too stoned or too stupid to understand what I have just taken my time to explain to you three times already. Enjoy your tokes!

So....what.....those people who're subject to stress, depression, or lack of sleep get a "pass", from you.....their poor-performance is tolerated?​

 

[uscitizen]

Making something legal doesn't mean more of it.

If heroine became legal I wouldn't rush to the store and buy it.

Same as a heroine addict having no problem getting it with it being illegal.

Like I said in the OP, weed was much easier for me to get as a kid than cigs or alcohol.

If it is legal more would abuse it.
simple as that.
A fact of human nature.

Everything's temporary......

​

And idealism is unrealistic when dealing with the human species.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yeah, yeah "i never smoked the stuff but I knowed somebody who done it". Give it a rest Doc. Pot heads can get a couple of seeds and grow a tree in their garage and smoke the stuff until they become complete idiots but that ain't what the issue is about. They want to make a buck off it by selling it to our kids. It's pretty strange that while the government is cracking down on cigarette smoking there is a movement to sell stuff that will rot your lungs out faster and cause all sorts of problems including fires from idiots who leave a roach burning and impared driving.

Better step-away from the still, Goober.

You gray-matter is doing a serious melt-down......​

Myths and Facts About Marijuana​

 

[uscitizen]

But yes, there's still people who support the herbal arm of the DEA. I'm not one of them.

Most employers have a no-tolerance policy when it comes to drugs anyways. So if they suspect something's up, they can send you into a lab for testing. Even if/when weed is legalized, I feel okay upholding the ability of employers to continue this policy.

so you think it proper for employers to be able to dictate to employes what they do with their unapid time?
fire you for eating irresponsibly off the clock and getting fat?
Fire you for using tobacco off the clock?
fire you for drinking off the clock?
Fire you for indulging in unapproved sexual practices off the clock?

I fully support an employers right to a sober and undrugged employee. ON the clock.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I see so if you suspect someone's stoned, then tell them to go take a piss test, they fail it, you fire them, what's wrong with that?

Never mind, Sparky. You are either too stoned or too stupid to understand what I have just taken my time to explain to you three times already. Enjoy your tokes!

You want an on the spot test I get it, my explanations are showing why even in the scenarios you're spitting out that they aren't necessary.

You suspect someone is stoned, they take your future magical instant test, they fail, you fire them.

You suspect someone is stoned, they take the current test, they fail and maybe you don't get results for a few hours, you fire them.

....And, if their poor-performance is only because o' stress, depression or lack of sleep, they get a "pass", because....after all....poor-performance is just one o' those things you have to tolerate....when you're in the business of identifying & punishing "bad"-people.

(Yeah....where would this Country be, without our current-crop o' "professional-managers".

)​

 

[uscitizen]

Never mind, Sparky. You are either too stoned or too stupid to understand what I have just taken my time to explain to you three times already. Enjoy your tokes!

You want an on the spot test I get it, my explanations are showing why even in the scenarios you're spitting out that they aren't necessary.

You suspect someone is stoned, they take your future magical instant test, they fail, you fire them.

You suspect someone is stoned, they take the current test, they fail and maybe you don't get results for a few hours, you fire them.

....And, if their poor-performance is only because o' stress, depression or lack of sleep, they get a "pass", because....after all....poor-performance is just one o' those things you have to tolerate....when you're in the business of identifying & punishing "bad"-people.

(Yeah....where would this Country be, without our current-crop o' "professional-managers".

)​

You mean those who gave themselves mega bonuses while running our finiancial industry into the ground?

 

[Username]

It has been proven that Marijuana has health benefits, but the only reason I agree it should be illegal is due to the harmful effects it has on the growing fetus' of pregnant women.

 

[Sheldon]

But yes, there's still people who support the herbal arm of the DEA. I'm not one of them.

Most employers have a no-tolerance policy when it comes to drugs anyways. So if they suspect something's up, they can send you into a lab for testing. Even if/when weed is legalized, I feel okay upholding the ability of employers to continue this policy.

so you think it proper for employers to be able to dictate to employes what they do with their unapid time?
fire you for eating irresponsibly off the clock and getting fat?
Fire you for using tobacco off the clock?
fire you for drinking off the clock?
Fire you for indulging in unapproved sexual practices off the clock?

I fully support an employers right to a sober and undrugged employee. ON the clock.

I've got a friend who works on-call for a railroad company and he's told me that he's not allowed to consume alcohol off the clock, even though he's over 21.

Ultimately I don't think most business will be testing their employees left and right because it would cost a lot money. But it would be a compromise I'm initially willing to make in order to get weed off the black market.

Eventually science will figure out a way to get THC testing on par with breathalyser accuracy.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yeah, yeah "i never smoked the stuff but I knowed somebody who done it". Give it a rest Doc. Pot heads can get a couple of seeds and grow a tree in their garage and smoke the stuff until they become complete idiots but that ain't what the issue is about. They want to make a buck off it by selling it to our kids. It's pretty strange that while the government is cracking down on cigarette smoking there is a movement to sell stuff that will rot your lungs out faster and cause all sorts of problems including fires from idiots who leave a roach burning and impared driving.

I would take it as no hit on my character if I'd smoked it before, so me saying I never have is meangingless, it's just a fact. You don't have to believe it, that's inconsequential to me.

Not liking weed, not liking potheads, I never understand this argument. I don't like weed and typically I don't respect potheads intelligence either because of the risks they take in smoking weed from a legal perspective. It shouldn't be illegal in my opinion, but if tomorrow they said snickers bars were illegal I wouldn't ever buy any for my job and bill paying's sake.

Whew!!!

You DO realize you never get a second-shot at living a full-life, right???



I always figure....when you're on your Death-bed....shoulda doesn't count.​