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Just curious.
Do you think hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars should be spent on keeping this drug illegal?
Seems most people I talk to of any political leaning seem to think this is a stupid concept, and I would agree.
Disclaimer= I've never smoked pot in my life, so no silly pothead assumptions please.
Yes... I am one who still supports it and other drugs being illegal... and my mind will not change on that
Yes, and Yes!
"Liberalism is a way of thinking about politics and government. Liberalism sees the personal freedom and equality as one of the highest goods."
Don't call yourself a liberal anymore if you don't care about personal freedoms. Your view towards the Drug War makes you sound like a Palin.
Ummmmm...I have NEVER called myself a liberal, nor do you have any clue as to my opinions on the Drug War, so lighten up, Francis.
VaYank5150 said:Yes, and Yes!Dr.Drock said:So if someone's acting fine and doing their job fine they should be fired from what this test says?
How about if someone acts lazy and doesn't get their job done they should be fired? Stoned or not?
I would have no problem with a job firing someone for testing positive for marijuana even if it were legal.
It's legal for me to look at porn but if i do it at work you can rest assured I'll be fired.Your ignorance is showing.......
BTW.....the fact you even CONSIDER the possibility of looking at porn (at work), makes you a pervert in a lotta people's eyes.
Why should they risk....or, be forced....to work with/around you????
More individual freedom is always more beneficial to society than the police/nanny state.
Yep we need more Heroin from Afganistan, Meth from the local cookers, etc.
MOre drug deformed babies.
More people driving 90 on our city streets with no insurance, etc.
Society is all about balance.
I am for most personal freedoms that to not negatively impact others.
You are for the personal freedom of having an abortion?
first off.....you lie...
there is NOT a VAST AMOUNT of research linking pot with mental illness
I have seen SOME LIMITED and QUESTIONABLE research making these links but I don't actually believe them
you appear to CHOOSE to believe them because of your biases and agenda
I know MANY people in their 40's, 50's, 60's who have been smoking pot since they were teenagers...
NONE of them exhibit any mental illness whatsoever
I'm almost sixty and have been smoking it (less now than 10 years ago ) since I was 18 and have developed NO mental illnesses whatsoever
as for medical costs going up (I agree with you)
our medical costs go up because irresponsible conservatives smoke tobacco, refuse to diet, eat fatty foods, drink alcohol...
I wish I had all THAT money back
but if I were to suggest criminalizing alcohol or tobacco or fatty foods YOU would be amongst the first to shout "liberal freedom hating nanny state lover taking away our RIGHTS and FREEDOMS!"
I agree that noboy should have to pay for the medical bills of irresponsible people who smoke tobacco or pot or drink alcohol or eat fatty foods....
but in a FREE country people should have the right to pick their own poisons and NOT BE TOLD by nanny state conservatives who HATE FREEDOM what they can or can't do with their own bodies
you can keep eating at mcdonalds and smoking your tobacco...
let the pot smokers have THEIR freedom, too
No, I do not lie. You are just an hysterical moron. There is vast amounts of research which clearly demonstrates the link between MJ and mental illness. Every single country in Europe accepts the results.... because the research is properly funded (by medical research councils) and shows results from longitudinal study results confirming the link. It's there. It's like cigarettes and lung cancer - you can deny it from now till doomsday, it will not change the facts.
the fact that you call me a "hysterical moron" is just what I would expect from a hysterical conservative moron.
I have tried to be polite to you over the years but apparently your insane anger and self-righteous dictatorial behavior is something that you just can't overcome.
I am NOT hysterical and i Am NOT a MORON
you PROVIDE no links...
just some vague reference to VAST AMOUNTS of RESEARCH that you can not provide any link to...
the facts are (you ignorant little conservative nanny state freedom hating fukkface)
MILLIONS of people smoke pot
they smoke it for YEARS
they do NOT EXHIBIT any mental illness (certainly none approaching what YOU appear to have)
pot is LESS DANGEROUS than alcohol (do you want alcohol criminalized? no? hypocrite)
pot is less dangerous than tobacco (do you want tobacco criminalized? no? hypocrite)
it's less dangerous than fatty foods and football and boxing..(you want to criminalize these? no? hypocrite)
even if it is true (which I doubt and you can NOT PROVE) that pot causes medical problems it is EQUALLY TRUE (or MORE TRUE) that alcohol, tobacco and fatty foods ALSO cause many (more) medical problems.
I have no doubt that you don't want any of THOSE criminalized
all which leads us to one conclusion
you are a deranged, hypocritical, hysterical conservative moron who wants a nanny state and hates freedom
Yep we need more Heroin from Afganistan, Meth from the local cookers, etc.
MOre drug deformed babies.
More people driving 90 on our city streets with no insurance, etc.
Society is all about balance.
Making something legal doesn't mean more of it.
If heroine became legal I wouldn't rush to the store and buy it.
Same as a heroine addict having no problem getting it with it being illegal.
Like I said in the OP, weed was much easier for me to get as a kid than cigs or alcohol.
If it is legal more would abuse it.
simple as that.
A fact of human nature.
first off.....you lie...
there is NOT a VAST AMOUNT of research linking pot with mental illness
I have seen SOME LIMITED and QUESTIONABLE research making these links but I don't actually believe them
you appear to CHOOSE to believe them because of your biases and agenda
I know MANY people in their 40's, 50's, 60's who have been smoking pot since they were teenagers...
NONE of them exhibit any mental illness whatsoever
I'm almost sixty and have been smoking it (less now than 10 years ago ) since I was 18 and have developed NO mental illnesses whatsoever
as for medical costs going up (I agree with you)
our medical costs go up because irresponsible conservatives smoke tobacco, refuse to diet, eat fatty foods, drink alcohol...
I wish I had all THAT money back
but if I were to suggest criminalizing alcohol or tobacco or fatty foods YOU would be amongst the first to shout "liberal freedom hating nanny state lover taking away our RIGHTS and FREEDOMS!"
I agree that noboy should have to pay for the medical bills of irresponsible people who smoke tobacco or pot or drink alcohol or eat fatty foods....
but in a FREE country people should have the right to pick their own poisons and NOT BE TOLD by nanny state conservatives who HATE FREEDOM what they can or can't do with their own bodies
you can keep eating at mcdonalds and smoking your tobacco...
let the pot smokers have THEIR freedom, too
No, I do not lie. You are just an hysterical moron. There is vast amounts of research which clearly demonstrates the link between MJ and mental illness. Every single country in Europe accepts the results.... because the research is properly funded (by medical research councils) and shows results from longitudinal study results confirming the link. It's there. It's like cigarettes and lung cancer - you can deny it from now till doomsday, it will not change the facts.
the fact that you call me a "hysterical moron" is just what I would expect from a hysterical conservative moron.
I have tried to be polite to you over the years but apparently your insane anger and self-righteous dictatorial behavior is something that you just can't overcome.
I am NOT hysterical and i Am NOT a MORON
you PROVIDE no links...
just some vague reference to VAST AMOUNTS of RESEARCH that you can not provide any link to...
the facts are (you ignorant little conservative nanny state freedom hating fukkface)
MILLIONS of people smoke pot
they smoke it for YEARS
they do NOT EXHIBIT any mental illness (certainly none approaching what YOU appear to have)
pot is LESS DANGEROUS than alcohol (do you want alcohol criminalized? no? hypocrite)
pot is less dangerous than tobacco (do you want tobacco criminalized? no? hypocrite)
it's less dangerous than fatty foods and football and boxing..(you want to criminalize these? no? hypocrite)
even if it is true (which I doubt and you can NOT PROVE) that pot causes medical problems it is EQUALLY TRUE (or MORE TRUE) that alcohol, tobacco and fatty foods ALSO cause many (more) medical problems.
I have no doubt that you don't want any of THOSE criminalized
all which leads us to one conclusion
you are a deranged, hypocritical, hysterical conservative moron who wants a nanny state and hates freedom
Making something legal doesn't mean more of it.
If heroine became legal I wouldn't rush to the store and buy it.
Same as a heroine addict having no problem getting it with it being illegal.
Like I said in the OP, weed was much easier for me to get as a kid than cigs or alcohol.
If it is legal more would abuse it.
simple as that.
A fact of human nature.
Actually.. Not necessarily, just look at Portugal. I'm wondering how people used to treat beer or alcohol back during the 30's. Did they abuse it more when it was legal or illegal?
As an employer, I do see "effects", however these same sightings can be caused from stress, depression, lack of sleep, intoxication, etc. Hence a test needs to be developed that can tell me the level of marijuana in a person's system at that moment. One currently does not exist.
I see so if you suspect someone's stoned, then tell them to go take a piss test, they fail it, you fire them, what's wrong with that?
Never mind, Sparky. You are either too stoned or too stupid to understand what I have just taken my time to explain to you three times already. Enjoy your tokes!
And idealism is unrealistic when dealing with the human species.Making something legal doesn't mean more of it.
If heroine became legal I wouldn't rush to the store and buy it.
Same as a heroine addict having no problem getting it with it being illegal.
Like I said in the OP, weed was much easier for me to get as a kid than cigs or alcohol.
If it is legal more would abuse it.
simple as that.
A fact of human nature.Everything's temporary......
Yeah, yeah "i never smoked the stuff but I knowed somebody who done it". Give it a rest Doc. Pot heads can get a couple of seeds and grow a tree in their garage and smoke the stuff until they become complete idiots but that ain't what the issue is about. They want to make a buck off it by selling it to our kids. It's pretty strange that while the government is cracking down on cigarette smoking there is a movement to sell stuff that will rot your lungs out faster and cause all sorts of problems including fires from idiots who leave a roach burning and impared driving.
But yes, there's still people who support the herbal arm of the DEA. I'm not one of them.
Most employers have a no-tolerance policy when it comes to drugs anyways. So if they suspect something's up, they can send you into a lab for testing. Even if/when weed is legalized, I feel okay upholding the ability of employers to continue this policy.
I see so if you suspect someone's stoned, then tell them to go take a piss test, they fail it, you fire them, what's wrong with that?
Never mind, Sparky. You are either too stoned or too stupid to understand what I have just taken my time to explain to you three times already. Enjoy your tokes!
You want an on the spot test I get it, my explanations are showing why even in the scenarios you're spitting out that they aren't necessary.
You suspect someone is stoned, they take your future magical instant test, they fail, you fire them.
You suspect someone is stoned, they take the current test, they fail and maybe you don't get results for a few hours, you fire them.
Never mind, Sparky. You are either too stoned or too stupid to understand what I have just taken my time to explain to you three times already. Enjoy your tokes!
You want an on the spot test I get it, my explanations are showing why even in the scenarios you're spitting out that they aren't necessary.
You suspect someone is stoned, they take your future magical instant test, they fail, you fire them.
You suspect someone is stoned, they take the current test, they fail and maybe you don't get results for a few hours, you fire them.....And, if their poor-performance is only because o' stress, depression or lack of sleep, they get a "pass", because....after all....poor-performance is just one o' those things you have to tolerate....when you're in the business of identifying & punishing "bad"-people.
(Yeah....where would this Country be, without our current-crop o' "professional-managers".)
But yes, there's still people who support the herbal arm of the DEA. I'm not one of them.
Most employers have a no-tolerance policy when it comes to drugs anyways. So if they suspect something's up, they can send you into a lab for testing. Even if/when weed is legalized, I feel okay upholding the ability of employers to continue this policy.
so you think it proper for employers to be able to dictate to employes what they do with their unapid time?
fire you for eating irresponsibly off the clock and getting fat?
Fire you for using tobacco off the clock?
fire you for drinking off the clock?
Fire you for indulging in unapproved sexual practices off the clock?
I fully support an employers right to a sober and undrugged employee. ON the clock.
Yeah, yeah "i never smoked the stuff but I knowed somebody who done it". Give it a rest Doc. Pot heads can get a couple of seeds and grow a tree in their garage and smoke the stuff until they become complete idiots but that ain't what the issue is about. They want to make a buck off it by selling it to our kids. It's pretty strange that while the government is cracking down on cigarette smoking there is a movement to sell stuff that will rot your lungs out faster and cause all sorts of problems including fires from idiots who leave a roach burning and impared driving.
I would take it as no hit on my character if I'd smoked it before, so me saying I never have is meangingless, it's just a fact. You don't have to believe it, that's inconsequential to me.
Not liking weed, not liking potheads, I never understand this argument. I don't like weed and typically I don't respect potheads intelligence either because of the risks they take in smoking weed from a legal perspective. It shouldn't be illegal in my opinion, but if tomorrow they said snickers bars were illegal I wouldn't ever buy any for my job and bill paying's sake.