Is there anyone left who thinks marijuana should be illegal?

[Mr. Shaman]

so you think it proper for employers to be able to dictate to employes what they do with their unapid time?
fire you for eating irresponsibly off the clock and getting fat?
Fire you for using tobacco off the clock?
fire you for drinking off the clock?
Fire you for indulging in unapproved sexual practices off the clock?

I fully support an employers right to a sober and undrugged employee. ON the clock.

I've got a friend who works on-call for a railroad company and he's told me that he's not allowed to consume alcohol off the clock, even though he's over 21.

Ultimately I don't think most business will be testing their employees left and right because it would cost a lot money. But it would be a compromise I'm initially willing to make in order to get weed off the black market.

Eventually science will figure out a way to get THC testing on par with breathalyser accuracy.

Yes and that is what we need a quick and accurate way to determine intoxication level from pot, not just it's presence.
Then we can consider legalizing it.

Ah, yes.....Guilty until proven Innocent!!!

Great idea......



That'd explain those STRICT drinking/driving laws, after alcohol Prohibition ended.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

But yes, there's still people who support the herbal arm of the DEA. I'm not one of them.

Most employers have a no-tolerance policy when it comes to drugs anyways. So if they suspect something's up, they can send you into a lab for testing. Even if/when weed is legalized, I feel okay upholding the ability of employers to continue this policy.

I agree ppl under the influence of any mind-altering substance should be held to strict standards. They put a business at risk by being loaded. If they don't care about their own increased errors or injuries due to short-term memory loss, they should be held responsible for contributing to an increased risk to others.

Fine. Random-testing....at every level....especially for alcohol....right after lunch!!

I'm sure upper-management is gonna buy-into that one!!

​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

But yes, there's still people who support the herbal arm of the DEA. I'm not one of them.

Most employers have a no-tolerance policy when it comes to drugs anyways. So if they suspect something's up, they can send you into a lab for testing. Even if/when weed is legalized, I feel okay upholding the ability of employers to continue this policy.

I agree ppl under the influence of any mind-altering substance should be held to strict standards. They put a business at risk by being loaded. If they don't care about their own increased errors or injuries due to short-term memory loss, they should be held responsible for contributing to an increased risk to others.

And what of the THOUSANDS of work-place accidents and incidents that are caused by greed, arrogance and stupidity?

.....Not-to-mention poor management-skills!!!!

(...Or, quite possibly, compromised management-skills. )​

 

[Dr.Drock]

A thing to keep in mind while we debate over little things IF it's legalized is that seemingly at least we're all in agreement that it should be legal.

Now hopefully when the current crop of 70+ year old bags dies off the group of older citizens who replaces them has the common sense to hold our politicians accountable for this disaster.

We'll always have to battle the super religious southeast on this stuff, but that can be overcome.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I would have no problem with a job firing someone for testing positive for marijuana even if it were legal.

It's legal for me to look at porn but if i do it at work you can rest assured I'll be fired.

I don't see why this whole on the spot testing stuff matters.

Fired.

The Problem is current tests only show if you have smoked in the last 28 Days or so. They as of yet can not prove you were "high" on the job. Here in Mich where we now have Medical Pot, there is already a big court case expected to go to our Supreme court over a guy who has a prescription and was fired by his job for testing positive.

Again the Employer has no proof what so ever that he was medicating at work anyways. All they know is he had used in the last 28 days.

Can you imagine if Testing for alcohol was so poor that you could get drunk on Saturday and fired for Blowing hot on the next Friday?

That's why I say.....for the Company's general-welfare....ALL Managers who go-out, for lunch....should be immediately-tested for alcohol, upon return-to-work.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It has been proven that Marijuana has health benefits, but the only reason I agree it should be illegal is due to the harmful effects it has on the growing fetus' of pregnant women.

BZZZZZT!!!!!!

Strike four......

Myth: Marijuana Use During Pregnancy Damages the Fetus.

​

Um so what he is saying is it should be illegal for Everyone because pregnant chicks might use it. Hmm I guess Most Medications, Smokes, Booze, and anything else that might damage a fetus should just be outlawed then.

Absolutely!!

When an OB/GYN (or, as Archie calls them....groinocologist) has determined pregnancy, they should be strapped...immediately!!!!!

(It's all about The Children....just the way God wants it.)​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I'm all for individual freedom, but what I'm not seeing enough of is individual responsibility.

I have no problem with people being arrested for not being responsible once they have it. ex.) being arrested for drunk driving

People should also be arrested if stoned-driving. But it shouldn't be illegal to smoke weed in your own home.

Problem is, 'Stoned driving' is very difficult to prove. It's kind of a tradition in this country to only demonize and prosecute things that are cut and dry, easy to prove. Drunk driving? If that little machine says .08 or more, you're drunk driving. Stoned driving, I'm not aware of any test that can measure level of current intoxication.

.....And, any experienced-"head" (and, I'm talkin' years-of-experience) can tell you......​

"...marijuana produces little or no car-handling impairment- consistently less than produced by low moderate doses of alcohol and many legal medications."

Myth: Marijuana Use is a Major Cause Of Highway Accidents​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I am less of a danger on the road stoned than I am sober.

Hell....a couple "hits" should be required, before driving-thru Kansas!!!!!!

(Then, it won't seem like a 3-day-endurance-test!!!)​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

A thing to keep in mind while we debate over little things IF it's legalized is that seemingly at least we're all in agreement that it should be legal.

Now hopefully when the current crop of 70+ year old bags dies off the group of older citizens who replaces them has the common sense to hold our politicians accountable for this disaster.

We'll always have to battle the super religious southeast on this stuff, but that can be overcome.

Agreed!!!!!!

It's definitely another o' those Generational-trips....well, except for those damned Yuppies (who swear they were, once, Hippies

) ......who'll jump on whatever safe-bandwagon passes-by, at any given time.​

 

[Dr.Drock]

A thing to keep in mind while we debate over little things IF it's legalized is that seemingly at least we're all in agreement that it should be legal.

Now hopefully when the current crop of 70+ year old bags dies off the group of older citizens who replaces them has the common sense to hold our politicians accountable for this disaster.

We'll always have to battle the super religious southeast on this stuff, but that can be overcome.

Agreed!!!!!!

It's definitely another o' those Generational-trips....well, except for those damned Yuppies (who swear they were, once, Hippies

) ......who'll jump on whatever safe-bandwagon passes-by, at any given time.​

Yeah it's partly us younger generation's fault too though. The old bags vote, we don't (by percentage i mean, i'm sure u and i vote), so that's what causes these embarassments to common sense to remain on the books.

 

[BlindBoo]

No, I do not lie. You are just an hysterical moron. There is vast amounts of research which clearly demonstrates the link between MJ and mental illness. Every single country in Europe accepts the results.... because the research is properly funded (by medical research councils) and shows results from longitudinal study results confirming the link. It's there. It's like cigarettes and lung cancer - you can deny it from now till doomsday, it will not change the facts.

the fact that you call me a "hysterical moron" is just what I would expect from a hysterical conservative moron.

I have tried to be polite to you over the years but apparently your insane anger and self-righteous dictatorial behavior is something that you just can't overcome.


I am NOT hysterical and i Am NOT a MORON


you PROVIDE no links...
just some vague reference to VAST AMOUNTS of RESEARCH that you can not provide any link to...

the facts are (you ignorant little conservative nanny state freedom hating fukkface)
MILLIONS of people smoke pot
they smoke it for YEARS
they do NOT EXHIBIT any mental illness (certainly none approaching what YOU appear to have)
pot is LESS DANGEROUS than alcohol (do you want alcohol criminalized? no? hypocrite)
pot is less dangerous than tobacco (do you want tobacco criminalized? no? hypocrite)
it's less dangerous than fatty foods and football and boxing..(you want to criminalize these? no? hypocrite)

even if it is true (which I doubt and you can NOT PROVE) that pot causes medical problems it is EQUALLY TRUE (or MORE TRUE) that alcohol, tobacco and fatty foods ALSO cause many (more) medical problems.

I have no doubt that you don't want any of THOSE criminalized

all which leads us to one conclusion

you are a deranged, hypocritical, hysterical conservative moron who wants a nanny state and hates freedom

Perhaps you should expand your research horizons beyond the nose on your face. All across Europe, for the past 20 years, they've been researching the impact of drugs on individuals. There is a wealth of firm, scientific research based information clearly demonstrating the fact that MJ can act as a trigger for a variety of mental illnesses.

You're a fucking idiot who expects others to spoon feed you information. I don't spoon feed anyone. The information is there, available via various research facilities, across the globe. I suggest you read up on it before you call me names that best suit you.

Nope. There is no reputable source that demostrates what you claim.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

the fact that you call me a "hysterical moron" is just what I would expect from a hysterical conservative moron.

I have tried to be polite to you over the years but apparently your insane anger and self-righteous dictatorial behavior is something that you just can't overcome.


I am NOT hysterical and i Am NOT a MORON


you PROVIDE no links...
just some vague reference to VAST AMOUNTS of RESEARCH that you can not provide any link to...

the facts are (you ignorant little conservative nanny state freedom hating fukkface)
MILLIONS of people smoke pot
they smoke it for YEARS
they do NOT EXHIBIT any mental illness (certainly none approaching what YOU appear to have)
pot is LESS DANGEROUS than alcohol (do you want alcohol criminalized? no? hypocrite)
pot is less dangerous than tobacco (do you want tobacco criminalized? no? hypocrite)
it's less dangerous than fatty foods and football and boxing..(you want to criminalize these? no? hypocrite)

even if it is true (which I doubt and you can NOT PROVE) that pot causes medical problems it is EQUALLY TRUE (or MORE TRUE) that alcohol, tobacco and fatty foods ALSO cause many (more) medical problems.

I have no doubt that you don't want any of THOSE criminalized

all which leads us to one conclusion

you are a deranged, hypocritical, hysterical conservative moron who wants a nanny state and hates freedom

Perhaps you should expand your research horizons beyond the nose on your face. All across Europe, for the past 20 years, they've been researching the impact of drugs on individuals. There is a wealth of firm, scientific research based information clearly demonstrating the fact that MJ can act as a trigger for a variety of mental illnesses.

You're a fucking idiot who expects others to spoon feed you information. I don't spoon feed anyone. The information is there, available via various research facilities, across the globe. I suggest you read up on it before you call me names that best suit you.

Nope. There is no reputable source that demostrates what you claim.

.....No doubt, the reason our resident-Bubblehead keeps forgetting to post her data.

February 9, 2011

Dr. Mitch Earleywine Ph.D. Responds To Latest
“marijuana causes early psychoses” Claimhttp://blog.norml.org/2011/02/09/dr...atest-marijuana-causes-early-psychoses-claim/​

 

[Jenn14]

To the author of this thread: I'm one who thinks marijuana should be illegal. I think we need to at least try to keep the amount of drugs and drugged people who are circulating in society to a minimum. Marijuana addicts talk about their drug like it's a vitamin pill, but those of us who are thinking with our right minds know that it is just another drug, like tobacco, like alcohol, like heroin, just another poison that you want to minimize your exposure to. It's too bad we really can't afford to fight the drug war anymore, probably partly because we're spending so much money on wars overseas. However, giving up the fight is the wrong move I think. We already have enough trouble dealing with the problems that alcoholics and tobacco addicts create, why legalize another category of substance dependence?

 

[California Girl]

I am less of a danger on the road stoned than I am sober.

I'm sure you're gonna be very sorry when you kill someone through you're fucking outrageous behavior. Seriously.... if you drive stoned, I pray you kill yourself and not some innocent person. I hate (and I mean real, cold, hard, hate) people to drive impaired. You are the scum of society. People like you kill other people.

 

[NotImpressed]

To the author of this thread: I'm one who thinks marijuana should be illegal. I think we need to at least try to keep the amount of drugs and drugged people who are circulating in society to a minimum. Marijuana addicts talk about their drug like it's a vitamin pill, but those of us who are thinking with our right minds know that it is just another drug, like tobacco, like alcohol, like heroin, just another poison that you want to minimize your exposure to. It's too bad we really can't afford to fight the drug war anymore, probably partly because we're spending so much money on wars overseas. However, giving up the fight is the wrong move I think. We already have enough trouble dealing with the problems that alcoholics and tobacco addicts create, why legalize another category of substance dependence?

So glad this thread didn't end with this garbage.
Seriously?
By "us" you mean all 5 of you,right?

 

[California Girl]

the fact that you call me a "hysterical moron" is just what I would expect from a hysterical conservative moron.

I have tried to be polite to you over the years but apparently your insane anger and self-righteous dictatorial behavior is something that you just can't overcome.


I am NOT hysterical and i Am NOT a MORON


you PROVIDE no links...
just some vague reference to VAST AMOUNTS of RESEARCH that you can not provide any link to...

the facts are (you ignorant little conservative nanny state freedom hating fukkface)
MILLIONS of people smoke pot
they smoke it for YEARS
they do NOT EXHIBIT any mental illness (certainly none approaching what YOU appear to have)
pot is LESS DANGEROUS than alcohol (do you want alcohol criminalized? no? hypocrite)
pot is less dangerous than tobacco (do you want tobacco criminalized? no? hypocrite)
it's less dangerous than fatty foods and football and boxing..(you want to criminalize these? no? hypocrite)

even if it is true (which I doubt and you can NOT PROVE) that pot causes medical problems it is EQUALLY TRUE (or MORE TRUE) that alcohol, tobacco and fatty foods ALSO cause many (more) medical problems.

I have no doubt that you don't want any of THOSE criminalized

all which leads us to one conclusion

you are a deranged, hypocritical, hysterical conservative moron who wants a nanny state and hates freedom

Perhaps you should expand your research horizons beyond the nose on your face. All across Europe, for the past 20 years, they've been researching the impact of drugs on individuals. There is a wealth of firm, scientific research based information clearly demonstrating the fact that MJ can act as a trigger for a variety of mental illnesses.

You're a fucking idiot who expects others to spoon feed you information. I don't spoon feed anyone. The information is there, available via various research facilities, across the globe. I suggest you read up on it before you call me names that best suit you.

Nope. There is no reputable source that demostrates what you claim.

Not one source.... a huge number of sources..... from medical research centers across Europe. Going back at least two decades.

 

[Jenn14]

NotImpressed: you sound angry. Missed your "toke" today?

 

[NotImpressed]

NotImpressed: you sound angry. Missed your "toke" today?

Angry?Nah.Shocked at how in this day & age someone could be so profoundly oblivious & ignorant?Absolutely!
Then again,you are new(as am I)& you could be just a trying to come in with a bang...or a dull thud.

 

[Jenn14]

NotImpressed: oh so you think you're more sophisticated because you smoke marijuana and I don't? Can I ask how old you are?

 

[NotImpressed]

A false link between marijuana and mental illness
February 09, 2011

The article published today in "Health News" makes the claim that smoking marijuana is "linked" to early onset of mental illness.

However, although the article implies some sort of cause and effect, that conclusion has no scientific basis. In fact, the authors of the study don't even bother investigating whether marijuana use causes mental illness or if people with mental illness have a higher rate of smoking marijuana than the general public.

If marijuana caused mental illness, then cultures that have a higher rate of marijuana smoking than the U.S. should have a higher rate of mental illness. But in fact, the opposite is true. Cultures with higher rates of marijuana consumption have lower rates of mental illness than the United States. This would indicate that rather than marijuana causing mental illness, as your article implies, it is people with mental illness who are self medicating with marijuana in order to alleviate their symptoms.
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This (more correct) reading of the data, however, does not fit the narrative being presented by the politicians who are making their careers by "getting tough" on marijuana smokers, nor does it fit the narrative of the manufacturers of the currently legal psychotropic drugs, like Prozac and Zoloft, who stand to lose billions of dollars if medical marijuana is legalized, and who funnel millions of dollars to those politicians who present their dubious science as fact.

Had your newspaper even taken the time to Google the Archive of General Psychiatry, you would have found that the "study" you cited was conducted by the "Genetic Risk and Outcome in Psychosis (GROUP) Investigators," who publish only articles against medical marijuana. That alone should raise a red flag to anyone with a basic understanding of scientific research. When someone conducts numerous studies and publishes many articles that all draw the same conclusion, whether the evidence leads to that conclusion or not, the critical eye should suspect some ulterior motive at work. It's not possible to keep an open mind when you have an axe to grind.

William Smith, Baltimore

I'm new so I can't post links but it took me all of 5 seconds to find this.