Is the Democratic Party waking up?

[Mac1958]

I start a thread on the MESS the DEMOCRATS are in, and the TRUMPSTERS go full drama queen on me.

Again.

This is just too fuckin' funny.
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[Theowl32]

Bloomberg's 1.5 million or so unconstitutional frisks was uniquely NYC. There aren't many guns on the street there, which is why even the cops were saying "this is wrong" when maybe 1 in 100 had a weapon. But it did have the effect of terrorizing the relatively few bad guys as well as the vast maj of just guys minding their own business with their friends totally in the open and not skulking around in the dark like gangs.

But he wasn't "coming after our guns" as the 2nd Amend whackos like to say. Carrying on the street was already VERY illegal in NYC and had been for decades. And people in NYC LIKE IT THAT WAY

People feared the "bad days" of pre-Ghouliani would return. Bloomberg shut that down. the problem is that it was unconstitutional racial profiling, and people do have a right to stand outside their homes and pass the time of day with neighbors. Bloomberg did it to the blacks because he could. He should have found a less unconst means, that enlisted the blacks who didn't want crime either.

Awww, the poor black people should be able to have guns. Poor them.

Same people folks that would faint out of joy if Bloomjewberg set out to confiscate all guns from law abiding citizens that are beige or pink.

 

[Mac1958]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
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Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
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Your argument is chicken and eggs. What came first? Your assumption is Trump made the Dims get all unhinged. Okay. Maybe the Dims were already unhinged? Did that possibility cross your mind?

Many did not like Obama but the level of hatred and outright hostility directed to Trump is literally insane. The examples are too numerous to mention.

Mac there is being fair and there is being stupid. With this post you crossed that line.

I wish I could get you guys to think more than about half an inch deep.

Trump didn't make the Dems do anything. They lost their shit all on their own. He was merely the excuse.

I know you guys are used to having things explained to you 'n stuff, but I just don't have the patience.
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When Mac is saying Trump didn't make the democrats do anything.....

Is Mac admitting there was no conclusion?

Even if I asked Mac if he believed that Trump somehow colluded with Russia to steal the election from the disgraceful witch in a pants suit, he would not answer.

Admittedly, it would be a rhetorical question on my part, but even if it wasn't, he still would not answer it and we would all know why.

So Mac, do you? Do you believe Trump colluded with Russia?

Watch this everyone.

No, I sure don't. Nor have I ever said otherwise.

Instead of making ignorant assumptions, perhaps you should just ask.

But you guys just don't have the intellectual elasticity to do that. Not my problem.
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[Theowl32]

I start a thread on the MESS the DEMOCRATS are in, and the TRUMPSTERS go full drama queen on me.

Again.

This is just too fuckin' funny.
.

You should not curse. That is bad.

 

[B. Kidd]

The Dimm Party is 'woke'!

As 'Woke' as a joke.
There, that should end all of this nonsensical discussion.

 

[Mac1958]

I start a thread on the MESS the DEMOCRATS are in, and the TRUMPSTERS go full drama queen on me.

Again.

This is just too fuckin' funny.
.

You should not curse. That is bad.

Also, when you do, we know we got you.

Btw, still not answering my questions I see. Try some hot green tea with ginseng. Could help you become self aware.

I just did, slugger.

Do you even know what this thread is about?
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[Mac1958]

I say the slightest thing about Trump in a thread criticizing the Democrats, and the sheep absolutely lose their minds.

This place never ceases to fascinate.

 

[bendog]

Bingo. Even is Bloomberg's motive was to make black (and brown and jew and white chrisitan) neighborhoods safe, and even if people voted for safety over const rights, what he did was inexcusable. He used his police force to simply terrorize young black men who weren't doing anything but being alive and there.

 

[bendog]

I say the slightest thing about Trump in a thread criticizing the Democrats, and the sheep absolutely lose their minds.

This place never ceases to fascinate.

I've had the same experience. Even if you say the dems were even worse than Trump, it's like you just pussy grabbed their wives while spitting on their children.

 

[Fueri]

They may be waking up to the fact that the current crop of candidates is a box of duds.

Have they woken up to the why of that, I doubt very much. They're not very good at identifying their own weaknesses....

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

You mean he hasnt stated he is going to raise taxes on other people to pay for it?
Are you calling him a liar?

Is that not what Medicaid did?

As far as i know, until the ACA, there were no extra taxes on the rich. It was a flat rate for everyone that WORKED.

The ACA didn't enact extra taxes on the rich. It enacted extra taxes on the poor. But you go ahead, keep on defending trillions and trillions in never ending debt.

It required certain earners to pay an additional 1 percent in medicare taxes. Tis true.
Lol I do not defend it all. I would prefer govt to get out of it completely. Like it SHOULD be.
But you go ahead and defend the govt abusing its powers and taking over entire sectors of the economy and deleting millions of jobs.

Come up with a program where everyone can get affordable health care with the government not involved and I'll listen.

We already have that program, it's called work.

 

[Mac1958]

I say the slightest thing about Trump in a thread criticizing the Democrats, and the sheep absolutely lose their minds.
This place never ceases to fascinate.

I've had the same experience. Even if you say the dems were even worse than Trump, it's like you just pussy grabbed their wives while spitting on their children.

I've never seen blind, emotional, defensive devotion like this.

I thought it was bad with Obama, but this puts that to shame. These guys need a Safe Space, asap.
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[bendog]

Bloomberg's 1.5 million or so unconstitutional frisks was uniquely NYC. There aren't many guns on the street there, which is why even the cops were saying "this is wrong" when maybe 1 in 100 had a weapon. But it did have the effect of terrorizing the relatively few bad guys as well as the vast maj of just guys minding their own business with their friends totally in the open and not skulking around in the dark like gangs.

But he wasn't "coming after our guns" as the 2nd Amend whackos like to say. Carrying on the street was already VERY illegal in NYC and had been for decades. And people in NYC LIKE IT THAT WAY

People feared the "bad days" of pre-Ghouliani would return. Bloomberg shut that down. the problem is that it was unconstitutional racial profiling, and people do have a right to stand outside their homes and pass the time of day with neighbors. Bloomberg did it to the blacks because he could. He should have found a less unconst means, that enlisted the blacks who didn't want crime either.

Awww, the poor black people should be able to have guns. Poor them.

Same people folks that would faint out of joy if Bloomjewberg set out to confiscate all guns from law abiding citizens that are beige or pink.

Clown, the NYC gun laws apply equally. Let NYC have what they want rather than being an asshole who has to be an internet bully … oh wait, nevermind.

the issue was Bloomberg decided to enforce the laws unequally and THAT should be illegal and …. wait for it … it WAS

 

[Theowl32]

Bloomberg's 1.5 million or so unconstitutional frisks was uniquely NYC. There aren't many guns on the street there, which is why even the cops were saying "this is wrong" when maybe 1 in 100 had a weapon. But it did have the effect of terrorizing the relatively few bad guys as well as the vast maj of just guys minding their own business with their friends totally in the open and not skulking around in the dark like gangs.

But he wasn't "coming after our guns" as the 2nd Amend whackos like to say. Carrying on the street was already VERY illegal in NYC and had been for decades. And people in NYC LIKE IT THAT WAY

People feared the "bad days" of pre-Ghouliani would return. Bloomberg shut that down. the problem is that it was unconstitutional racial profiling, and people do have a right to stand outside their homes and pass the time of day with neighbors. Bloomberg did it to the blacks because he could. He should have found a less unconst means, that enlisted the blacks who didn't want crime either.

Awww, the poor black people should be able to have guns. Poor them.

Same people folks that would faint out of joy if Bloomjewberg set out to confiscate all guns from law abiding citizens that are beige or pink.

Clown, the NYC gun laws apply equally. Let NYC have what they want rather than being an asshole who has to be an internet bully … oh wait, nevermind.

the issue was Bloomberg decided to enforce the laws unequally and THAT should be illegal and …. wait for it … it WAS

Awwww poor blacks.

 

[B. Kidd]

Too bad for the Dems that their Party adopted 2 new mottos:

1) In the Squid Squad I Trust!
2) The Squid Squad Uber Alles!
(Mottos are interchangeable...)

This shit is E-Z.

 

[Mac1958]

Oh gawd, the Onion is awesome: DNC Mulls Asking Donald Trump To Run As Democrat In Effort To Stop Sanders

 

[pknopp]

Is that not what Medicaid did?

As far as i know, until the ACA, there were no extra taxes on the rich. It was a flat rate for everyone that WORKED.

The ACA didn't enact extra taxes on the rich. It enacted extra taxes on the poor. But you go ahead, keep on defending trillions and trillions in never ending debt.

It required certain earners to pay an additional 1 percent in medicare taxes. Tis true.
Lol I do not defend it all. I would prefer govt to get out of it completely. Like it SHOULD be.
But you go ahead and defend the govt abusing its powers and taking over entire sectors of the economy and deleting millions of jobs.

Come up with a program where everyone can get affordable health care with the government not involved and I'll listen.

We already have that program, it's called work.

So as long as you work you can afford treatment for cancer, heart attacks, strokes, asthma, well you get the idea.

Is that what you are saying?

 

[Olde Europe]

Trump is the flip side to Bernie. Both parties had a revolution by the peasants ….. and typically nothing really changed besides the peasants getting to beat the shit out of each other and even kill a few.

I really don't know how you are coming up with such nonsense, Bendog.

Trump is having his way with a desperate White working class, while Bernie stands up for them.

Bernie strives to be as inclusive as is humanely possible, while Trump recklessly widens and exploits divisions.

Trump works for the 0.01 percent (if he doesn't work under Vlad), Bernie for the bottom 90%.

The GOP had an insurrection and was overrun and taken over by the tea baggers. The GOP establishment is either going along or jumping ship.

The Dems have a task ahead of reconciling the progressive and centrist wings, which they will do once that primary fight is over.

The GOP has suffered a collective prion disease of the brain and lost its mind.

The Dems are the closest of what could count for standing up for reason and decency, with a decent respect for facts.

In other words, the situations the two major parties are facing couldn't be more different - and, I suspect, having taken a bath in Mac's Both-Sides-Bullshit, you come up seeing nothing but shit all around. Wipe your eyes, why don't you?

 

[TNHarley]

Come up with a program where everyone can get affordable health care with the government not involved and I'll listen.

If the govt never got involved, healthcare would be affordable. As soon as theybgot involved, prices started going up.
Govt fucks up everything.

It was government funding and involvement that created much of the medical advances of the last 100 years.

But back to the original point, this is having other people pay for someone elses healthcare. And it isnt like Medicare. Bernie is talking about over 50 percent rates for some and thatbdoesnt even include everything else the authoritarian wants to take over. Estate taxes on and on.

You just made all of that up. Could you point where in his plans (they are online) where this is?

Top link
how bernie pays for medicare for all - Google Search

Fail.

What? It says it right there on the govts website.

Guess pk gave up on me when he learned to read lol

 

[pknopp]

If the govt never got involved, healthcare would be affordable. As soon as theybgot involved, prices started going up.
Govt fucks up everything.

It was government funding and involvement that created much of the medical advances of the last 100 years.

But back to the original point, this is having other people pay for someone elses healthcare. And it isnt like Medicare. Bernie is talking about over 50 percent rates for some and thatbdoesnt even include everything else the authoritarian wants to take over. Estate taxes on and on.

You just made all of that up. Could you point where in his plans (they are online) where this is?

Top link
how bernie pays for medicare for all - Google Search

Fail.

What? It says it right there on the govts website.

Guess pk gave up on me when he learned to read lol

You posted a Google search, that wasn't what I asked for.