Is the Democratic Party waking up?

[JoeB131]

LOL - you're kidding yourself. Welfare for All will be the same-old, same-old. The same corporatist shitshow. The same rent-seeking corporations piggy backing on state efforts to herd people.

Okay, then what are you worried about? YOu seem happy taking it up the ass from Big insurance.

You can't vote "against" someone. Our system doesn't allow that. The only way to get past this is to reject the "lesser-of-two-evils" mentality and vote for the candidate/party that represents your views - regardless of whether the press says they can win.

Again, third parties are even bigger loons than the mainstream parties. Dope Smoking Gary and Commie Jill? Seriously?

 

[dblack]

LOL - you're kidding yourself. Welfare for All will be the same-old, same-old. The same corporatist shitshow. The same rent-seeking corporations piggy backing on state efforts to herd people.

Okay, then what are you worried about? YOu seem happy taking it up the ass from Big insurance.

Nope. Taking up the ass is your preoccupation.

You can't vote "against" someone. Our system doesn't allow that. The only way to get past this is to reject the "lesser-of-two-evils" mentality and vote for the candidate/party that represents your views - regardless of whether the press says they can win.

Again, third parties are even bigger loons than the mainstream parties. Dope Smoking Gary and Commie Jill? Seriously?

... that's it - fear and ridicule. That's the way to keep your shitbags in power.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
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Little Mike Bloomberg is the nominee of the Marxist democrat party. Bloomberg bought the nomination from party rulers, who will manipulate behind the scenes and declare the Blooming Idiot as their candidate. All else is Kabuki theater.

 

[skews13]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
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Whats changing is the face of the population.

They are more educated, tolerant, and in touch.

The Democrat-Republican divide of the last 40 years, is becoming less relevant, as the new face of the population comes of age, with a completely different set of priorities.

Older Republicans, are still arguing guns, abortion, and tax cuts. An argument that is completely lost on the new face of America.

They are now seeking out anyone who will continue having these arguments with them.

It's amusing and pathetic at the same time.

 

[Mac1958]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
.

Whats changing is the face of the population.

They are more educated, tolerant, and in touch.

The Democrat-Republican divide of the last 40 years, is becoming less relevant, as the new face of the population comes of age, with a completely different set of priorities.

Older Republicans, are still arguing guns, abortion, and tax cuts. An argument that is completely lost on the new face of America.

They are now seeking out anyone who will continue having these arguments with them.

It's amusing and pathetic at the same time.

I certainly agree that the country is changing, although I think it's a herculean stretch to say we're becoming more tolerant. And I definitely think that this Trumpian period is far more of a last gasp than a permanent change.
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[Mac1958]

Have no interest in a dictator, whether they wear a left or right label. Politically we have reached the bottom of the barrel. and the worse thing for me is I am helpless, for the 1st time I have no choice, its always been a bummer that usually I end up voting against some one as apposed to voting for some one. this time????? sad state of affairs.

Yeah. When it gets divided this badly, and when each party is playing to its rabid base like this, it leaves a lot of people out.

So some of us will vote "against", some of us will vote third party out of pure frustration, and the rest won't vote.

A shit show across the board. Something tells me this isn't what the Founding Fathers had in mind.
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[Correll]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
.

Whats changing is the face of the population.

They are more educated, tolerant, and in touch.

The Democrat-Republican divide of the last 40 years, is becoming less relevant, as the new face of the population comes of age, with a completely different set of priorities.

Older Republicans, are still arguing guns, abortion, and tax cuts. An argument that is completely lost on the new face of America.

They are now seeking out anyone who will continue having these arguments with them.

It's amusing and pathetic at the same time.

I certainly agree that the country is changing, although I think it's a herculean stretch to say we're becoming more tolerant. And I definitely think that this Trumpian period is far more of a last gasp than a permanent change.
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Last gasp of what?

 

[Olde Europe]

Actually he sees some Democrats as 'far left' that he likes to broad brush all Democrats with. But I was specifically interested in who he thought was a bigot and far left. He couldn't answer, he realized this and ran away.

I do agree that Democrats do need to talk more about issues that are important to the white working class. I mean they do, they just need to be more obvious about it. The world isn't only transgendered Hispanics. We have lost union memberships that had helped build the middle class. Our infrastructure is a mess and we don't want to send kids off to war anymore. These things affect all of us in one way or another.

Mac's case is, in many ways, quite instructive. Ask yourself this: Have you ever seen him stand up for gender equality? Marriage equality? Reproductive rights? Workers' bargaining powers, strengthening unions? Equitable policing, and rendering justice regardless of skin color or income bracket? Reigning in the power of financial corporations / Wall Street? Have you seen him even taking part in a debate about these issues? It may have happened, but, if so, I missed it. All I can say from my observation is, he doesn't seem to give a shit either way - he sure isn't an anti-choice, racist bigot, and that seems the basis for his claim to be a moderate leftist. All those who feel passionately about the issues listed above he decries as nutters and wingers.

Democrats talk about the issues important to the White working class all the time, they have just one problem with that: The GOP got them on White identity, with the underhanded insinuation that, say, free community college, universal, affordable health care without bankruptcies due to medical bills, or an expanded safety net worth its name helps Those People more than them Whites. That's what I find is the core of the problem Dems are facing in their communication - besides Wall Street Democrats in the pockets of the plutocracy.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah. When it gets divided this badly, and when each party is playing to its rabid base like this, it leaves a lot of people out.

So some of us will vote "against", some of us will vote third party out of pure frustration, and the rest won't vote.

A shit show across the board. Something tells me this isn't what the Founding Fathers had in mind.

I have this image of Mac at the Cross-Town Classic.

"Hey, half you guys are cheering for the Cubs and half of you guys are cheering for the White Sox!!! Why are you such partisan meanyheads?"

Here's what will happen, when Bernie is the nominee. We will see a RECORD turnout. Yes, it will be as much people voting "against" as "for", but the election will be hotly contested because it will probably be so close.

 

[JoeB131]

Mac's case is, in many ways, quite instructive. Ask yourself this: Have you ever seen him stand up for gender equality? Marriage equality? Reproductive rights? Workers' bargaining powers, strengthening unions? Equitable policing, and rendering justice regardless of skin color or income bracket? Reigning in the power of financial corporations / Wall Street? Have you seen him even taking part in a debate about these issues? It may have happened, but, if so, I missed it. All I can say from my observation is, he doesn't seem to give a shit either way - he sure isn't an anti-choice, racist bigot, and that seems the basis for his claim to be a moderate leftist. All those who feel passionately about the issues listed above he decries as nutters and wingers.

Quite right. I've seen him ignore ten posts by outright racists to harp on a leftist who isn't understanding enough of the plight of white working class people. (who still have it pretty good in this society.)

Democrats talk about the issues important to the White working class all the time, they have just one problem with that: The GOP got them on White identity, with the underhanded insinuation that, say, free community college, universal, affordable health care without bankruptcies due to medical bills, or an expanded safety net worth its name helps Those People more than them Whites. That's what I find is the core of the problem Dems are facing in their communication - besides Wall Street Democrats in the pockets of the plutocracy.

Again, another great point. I grew up in a white working class neighborhood, and a lot of the guys I grew up with are in unions. When I explain to them that if the people they support had their way,their nice $70,000 a year union job picking up garbage would be replaced with a private sector contractor that only pays $18.00 an hour (and you pay your own medical and retirement) they get very upset with me.

 

[Mac1958]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
.

Whats changing is the face of the population.

They are more educated, tolerant, and in touch.

The Democrat-Republican divide of the last 40 years, is becoming less relevant, as the new face of the population comes of age, with a completely different set of priorities.

Older Republicans, are still arguing guns, abortion, and tax cuts. An argument that is completely lost on the new face of America.

They are now seeking out anyone who will continue having these arguments with them.

It's amusing and pathetic at the same time.

I certainly agree that the country is changing, although I think it's a herculean stretch to say we're becoming more tolerant. And I definitely think that this Trumpian period is far more of a last gasp than a permanent change.
.

Last gasp of what?

Trumpism.
.

 

[Mac1958]

Actually he sees some Democrats as 'far left' that he likes to broad brush all Democrats with. But I was specifically interested in who he thought was a bigot and far left. He couldn't answer, he realized this and ran away.

I do agree that Democrats do need to talk more about issues that are important to the white working class. I mean they do, they just need to be more obvious about it. The world isn't only transgendered Hispanics. We have lost union memberships that had helped build the middle class. Our infrastructure is a mess and we don't want to send kids off to war anymore. These things affect all of us in one way or another.

Mac's case is, in many ways, quite instructive. Ask yourself this: Have you ever seen him stand up for gender equality? Marriage equality? Reproductive rights? Workers' bargaining powers, strengthening unions? Equitable policing, and rendering justice regardless of skin color or income bracket? Reigning in the power of financial corporations / Wall Street? Have you seen him even taking part in a debate about these issues? It may have happened, but, if so, I missed it. All I can say from my observation is, he doesn't seem to give a shit either way - he sure isn't an anti-choice, racist bigot, and that seems the basis for his claim to be a moderate leftist. All those who feel passionately about the issues listed above he decries as nutters and wingers.

Democrats talk about the issues important to the White working class all the time, they have just one problem with that: The GOP got them on White identity, with the underhanded insinuation that, say, free community college, universal, affordable health care without bankruptcies due to medical bills, or an expanded safety net worth its name helps Those People more than them Whites. That's what I find is the core of the problem Dems are facing in their communication - besides Wall Street Democrats in the pockets of the plutocracy.

I do appreciate your somewhat creepy rants about me, as they provide even more evidence how far up in the heads of nutters (on both ends) I exist here. So, thanks.

My clear, specific stands on those and other issues can be found in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I couldn't possibly be more forthcoming: 2. >>> For the liars who pretend I claim to be a centrist/moderate/impartial/unbiased/fence-sitter: Come on Jake, man up, just this once.

Or, you could just ASK for my opinion on something. How easy! But, just like the other Regressive Lefties and Talk Radio Trumpsters here (gawd I do love this), you instead choose to make simplistic and shallow assumptions about my positions based on pure ignorance. Don't ask, don't verify, just make silly assumptions, and bitch and attack based on those assumptions.

A fundamental and aggressive lack of intellectual curiosity: Another of the many behaviors and qualities shared by nutters on both ends. Thanks again.


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[JoeB131]

I do appreciate your somewhat creepy rants about me, as they provide even more evidence how far up in the heads of nutters (on both ends) I exist here. So, thanks.

Stormy, we can see why you like Trump so much, you are both malignant narcissists.

Or, you could just ASK for my opinion on something.

We do. And you evade, dodge, ignore or talk down to people.

The real problem, you make no attempt to understand other people.

 

[candycorn]

Ya actually started with Its trumps fault the dems are so over the top

From the diplomad
End of a diddy's about sniffy

That will leave the Democrats with an avowed Marxist, or what we Cold War veterans would call a Communist, a completely fake gay white version of the fake black Obama, a couple of lesser lights who have managed to keep their "accomplishments" well hidden from view, and a fabulously wealthy fraud who is financing his own campaign and repudiating his accomplishments as mayor of New York to gain the favor of the "woke" crowd.

The DiploMad 2.0: Corruptocrat Joe Shuffles to the Door . . .

Mac wasn't concerned that OBAMA wouldn't be too far over the top, but let Trump talk about restoring America's #1 position greatness and excellence, and it was just too much for Mac and the democrats?

I can understand you don't see anything unusual about Trump and his behaviors. I get it. To you, the cartoonish hyperbole, constant personal attacks and general instability are perfectly normal.

But for the majority, they are indeed unusual (even some Trumpsters have the balls to admit it), and the point is that the response from the hard Left would be similar.
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I see plenty wrong with Trump. He isn't acting anything like any of the other politicians we have.

Case you don't know, they are about as popular as the Clap and have been doing a shit job for years.

I agree, there are times Trump is more candid and abrasive than I understand necessary. But apparently that comes with the territory because at least he isn't a lying sack of shit either. And there is usually some truth to what he says.

As to the "instability," you know Mac, I bet if the Democrats just GOT OFF HIS FUCKING BACK for 11 seconds, quit lying about him, insulting him and let him do his job for a day, he might seem more stable.

As to the majority, since Trump won 30 states to Hillary's 20, won acquittal in the Senate and the Dims didn't get ONE supporter other than jackass Romney, I'm not sure what majority you're talking about? You mean the 2.8 million coke head fags in East Hollywood with needles in their arms?

The blob isn’t a lying sack of shit?

Thanks for the Laugh

 

[Correll]

Actually he sees some Democrats as 'far left' that he likes to broad brush all Democrats with. But I was specifically interested in who he thought was a bigot and far left. He couldn't answer, he realized this and ran away.

I do agree that Democrats do need to talk more about issues that are important to the white working class. I mean they do, they just need to be more obvious about it. The world isn't only transgendered Hispanics. We have lost union memberships that had helped build the middle class. Our infrastructure is a mess and we don't want to send kids off to war anymore. These things affect all of us in one way or another.

Mac's case is, in many ways, quite instructive. Ask yourself this: Have you ever seen him stand up for gender equality? Marriage equality? Reproductive rights? Workers' bargaining powers, strengthening unions? Equitable policing, and rendering justice regardless of skin color or income bracket? Reigning in the power of financial corporations / Wall Street? Have you seen him even taking part in a debate about these issues? ....

Yes. I have had such discussions with him in the past. But, I broke him. Now he knows that if the debate goes on long enough, he will be led to the place where he has to admit that his lib views are wrong or face that fact that he is supporting bad people and bad policies for bad reasons, and then keep doing that.


So, he avoids real debate.

 

[Olde Europe]

I do appreciate your somewhat creepy rants about me, as they provide even more evidence how far up in the heads of nutters (on both ends) I exist here. So, thanks.

My clear, specific stands on those and other issues can be found in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I couldn't possibly be more forthcoming: 2. >>> For the liars who pretend I claim to be a centrist/moderate/impartial/unbiased/fence-sitter: Come on Jake, man up, just this once.

Or, you could just ASK for my opinion on something. How easy! But, just like the other Regressive Lefties and Talk Radio Trumpsters here (gawd I do love this), you instead choose to make simplistic and shallow assumptions about my positions based on pure ignorance. Don't ask, don't verify, just make silly assumptions, and bitch and attack based on those assumptions.

A fundamental and aggressive lack of intellectual curiosity: Another of the many behaviors and qualities shared by nutters on both ends. Thanks again.


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I appreciate your efforts at self-aggrandizement. They tell more about your own good self than you'd otherwise let on.

Let's look at just one issue: "Mac: Pro choice, open to ban on late term abortions".

You got a nice bumper sticker, you've fallen for the late-term screeching in Rightardia, and seem unconcerned with the problems that currently emerge, which is the all-out restrictions on access to reproductive health in rightarded States while the "right" is nominally upheld. Neither do I ever see you debate the like, much less take a determined, detailed stance.

So, that confirms what I've been saying all along, even while you screech about how you've been terribly misrepresented. Allegedly.

 

[Mac1958]

I do appreciate your somewhat creepy rants about me, as they provide even more evidence how far up in the heads of nutters (on both ends) I exist here. So, thanks.

My clear, specific stands on those and other issues can be found in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I couldn't possibly be more forthcoming: 2. >>> For the liars who pretend I claim to be a centrist/moderate/impartial/unbiased/fence-sitter: Come on Jake, man up, just this once.

Or, you could just ASK for my opinion on something. How easy! But, just like the other Regressive Lefties and Talk Radio Trumpsters here (gawd I do love this), you instead choose to make simplistic and shallow assumptions about my positions based on pure ignorance. Don't ask, don't verify, just make silly assumptions, and bitch and attack based on those assumptions.

A fundamental and aggressive lack of intellectual curiosity: Another of the many behaviors and qualities shared by nutters on both ends. Thanks again.


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I appreciate your efforts at self-aggrandizement. They tell more about your own good self than you'd otherwise let on.

Let's look at just one issue: "Mac: Pro choice, open to ban on late term abortions".

You got a nice bumper sticker, you've fallen for the late-term screeching in Rightardia, and seem unconcerned with the problems that currently emerge, which is the all-out restrictions on access to reproductive health in rightarded States while the "right" is nominally upheld. Neither do I ever see you debate the like, much less take a determined, detailed stance.

So, that confirms what I've been saying all along, even while you screech about how you've been terribly misrepresented. Allegedly.

So now you know. But I don't expect that to change anything.

Interestingly, you may not realize that I never jump in out of nowhere and start bitching about you personally in threads.

Why not? Because I just don't care. Sorry.

I have given you the attention you crave. You're welcome.
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[Correll]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
.

Whats changing is the face of the population.

They are more educated, tolerant, and in touch.

The Democrat-Republican divide of the last 40 years, is becoming less relevant, as the new face of the population comes of age, with a completely different set of priorities.

Older Republicans, are still arguing guns, abortion, and tax cuts. An argument that is completely lost on the new face of America.

They are now seeking out anyone who will continue having these arguments with them.

It's amusing and pathetic at the same time.

I certainly agree that the country is changing, although I think it's a herculean stretch to say we're becoming more tolerant. And I definitely think that this Trumpian period is far more of a last gasp than a permanent change.
.

Last gasp of what?

Trumpism.
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Well, Trump will certainly be gone, in at most 6 years, and it is very unlikely that the Republicans will be able to find anyone like him.


But hopefully, they will learn something from him, such as the power to be found by appealing to working class white voters.

 

[Redfish]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
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Whats changing is the face of the population.

They are more educated, tolerant, and in touch.

The Democrat-Republican divide of the last 40 years, is becoming less relevant, as the new face of the population comes of age, with a completely different set of priorities.

Older Republicans, are still arguing guns, abortion, and tax cuts. An argument that is completely lost on the new face of America.

They are now seeking out anyone who will continue having these arguments with them.

It's amusing and pathetic at the same time.

I certainly agree that the country is changing, although I think it's a herculean stretch to say we're becoming more tolerant. And I definitely think that this Trumpian period is far more of a last gasp than a permanent change.
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returning to the constitution, american values, and personal responsibility is not a change, it is a continuation of the founder's vision of what this country should be.

the radical left is losing ground every day, young people are not as stupid as the liberals think they are. They want a good prosperous life, they want freedom and the ability to improve their station in life. Liberalism is the antithesis of all that and is being rejected by more and more of our young.

 

[Redfish]

Since the day Trump was elected, I've been concerned he'd be so over-the-top that the Democratic Party's response would be over-the-top, too. Sure enough, that's what we've seen. And, predictably, ugly politics now pollute damn near every part of our society.

But I've also been hoping that just enough sanity would remain in the party that it would be able to see some boundaries. Maybe that's happening now, too: Centrist Democrats rethink alliances as Biden crumbles

This madness has spawned the rise of nutters like AOC, Talib & Omar, not to mention this largely whacko crop of "presidential candidates", especially Bernie and Warren. Maybe the more pragmatic elements of the party still have enough influence to stop the freakin' madness.

Here's hoping.

From the linked piece:
“If Bernie ends up being one of these frontrunners, he’ll have to moderate. I’m not going socialist. Never been a socialist,” Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said. “If he doesn’t change, I’ve got a dilemma there. We’ll see. But we’re talking about hypotheticals. I think there’s going to be a lot happening between now and then.”

The soul-searching within the establishment wing of the Democratic Party comes after Sanders solidified his frontrunner status in Iowa and New Hampshire, which produced a pair of cringeworthy finishes for Biden. The former vice president did so poorly in New Hampshire that he ditched his own election night watch party to head to South Carolina, possibly giving an opening to Bloomberg, who skipped the first four contests.

“I’m feeling a momentum shift to Bloomberg right now,” said Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), who endorsed Biden in the summer and plans to stick with him.

One of the most glaring examples of the change in tide on Capitol Hill is a trio of Bloomberg endorsements from the Congressional Black Caucus on Wednesday — a not-so-subtle show of force against Biden, who remains the favored candidate among black voters nationally.
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Whats changing is the face of the population.

They are more educated, tolerant, and in touch.

The Democrat-Republican divide of the last 40 years, is becoming less relevant, as the new face of the population comes of age, with a completely different set of priorities.

Older Republicans, are still arguing guns, abortion, and tax cuts. An argument that is completely lost on the new face of America.

They are now seeking out anyone who will continue having these arguments with them.

It's amusing and pathetic at the same time.

I certainly agree that the country is changing, although I think it's a herculean stretch to say we're becoming more tolerant. And I definitely think that this Trumpian period is far more of a last gasp than a permanent change.
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Last gasp of what?

Trumpism.
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Well, Trump will certainly be gone, in at most 6 years, and it is very unlikely that the Republicans will be able to find anyone like him.


But hopefully, they will learn something from him, such as the power to be found by appealing to working class white voters.

not just working class whites, but working class blacks, asians, et. al. This is not a Trump movement it is an american movement, back to the basics that made this country the greatest in the history of the world.