Is the Democrat Party American?

[hortysir]

How can it be if the first American governments did not impliment anything like the crippling nanny state programs of modern Democrats.

More Americans vote for the Democrats than the Republicans. If not for gerrymandering, we'd be a 1.5 party country.

Hence the need for the Electoral College
So our elections aren't decided by only the metropolitan areas




ps
Democratic

and, yes

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Deer, rabbit, skunk, it's not the same thing just because it uses the same fucking name.

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dear, we said today's Republican Party was the same as Jefferson's and Madison's in that it uses the same name and the same philosophy making it ,in effect, the same party.

The Democrats don't have a philosophy that one could identify as American since they believe in ever growing govt and ever declining liberty.

Do you understand now?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Though Leon Trotsky would be a shoo-in.

and Thomas Jefferson would be demoted as a Teabagger by Democrats becuase of all that talk about freedom.

Some certainly would try to do so because TJ's postions on slavery were similar to modern TP positions on unions and workers, preferring workers to be chattel to the owners and managers of business.

If Eddy's positions on unregulated capitalism were permitted, one half of workers would be poverty stricken and child labor would again be permitted.

 

[JakeStarkey]

from Aristotle to Jefferson to Milton Friedman shows 2500 years of tremendous continuity. Isn't learning fun?

Aristotle, Jefferson and Friedman were classical conservatives who bear little resemblance to the Tea Party conservatives of today.

Actually, dear, all were very very similar to modern Republicans given their shared central belief in very very limited govt.

Actually, they believed in responsible government, while the TP believes in government run by business.

 

[BULLDOG]

The question is who started it as we know it today?

Opinion is still divided on that.

The more "Intellectual" of the party favor V.I. Lenin.

The more activist favor Joseph Stalin.

The militants prefer Mao Zedong.

But the up and coming young Democrats? The other Lennon. John.

So that's what rush is telling you now. Not very creative, is he?

 

[Political Junky]

from Aristotle to Jefferson to Milton Friedman shows 2500 years of tremendous continuity. Isn't learning fun?

Aristotle, Jefferson and Friedman were classical conservatives who bear little resemblance to the Tea Party conservatives of today.

Actually, dear, all were very very similar to modern Republicans given their shared central belief in very very limited govt.

Actually, they believed in responsible government, while the TP believes in government run by business.

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
― Benito Mussolini

 

[BULLDOG]

More Americans vote for the Democrats than the Republicans. If not for gerrymandering, we'd be a 1.5 party country.

Interesting concept, gerrymandering. Invented by Democrat Elbridge Gerry. Ah you "modern" Democrats, denying your own. But it's clear that Harry Truman couldn't hold a Democrat Party membership card these days let alone be nominated by The Party for president. Though Leon Trotsky would be a shoo-in.

Which party do you think Saint Ronald would side with? Right wingers would call him a RINO, or worse

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

from Aristotle to Jefferson to Milton Friedman shows 2500 years of tremendous continuity. Isn't learning fun?

Aristotle, Jefferson and Friedman were classical conservatives who bear little resemblance to the Tea Party conservatives of today.

Actually, dear, all were very very similar to modern Republicans given their shared central belief in very very limited govt.

Actually, they believed in responsible government, while the TP believes in government run by business.

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
― Benito Mussolini

exactly like lib commie Obamacare- right?

 

[BULLDOG]

Of course the democrat party is American.

you say of course as if the reason is obvious. Why don't you tell us the how the Democratic party can be American given that they don't believe in the basic concept of freedom.

That is a stupid statement. I tried to come up with a more diplomatic way to say it, but stupid is the perfect description.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

More Americans vote for the Democrats than the Republicans. If not for gerrymandering, we'd be a 1.5 party country.

Interesting concept, gerrymandering. Invented by Democrat Elbridge Gerry. Ah you "modern" Democrats, denying your own. But it's clear that Harry Truman couldn't hold a Democrat Party membership card these days let alone be nominated by The Party for president. Though Leon Trotsky would be a shoo-in.

Which party do you think Saint Ronald would side with? Right wingers would call him a RINO, or worse

too 100% stupid as always given that rightwingers love Reagan as the most conservative president since Jefferson.

 

[Carla_Danger]

More Americans vote for the Democrats than the Republicans. If not for gerrymandering, we'd be a 1.5 party country.

Interesting concept, gerrymandering. Invented by Democrat Elbridge Gerry. Ah you "modern" Democrats, denying your own. But it's clear that Harry Truman couldn't hold a Democrat Party membership card these days let alone be nominated by The Party for president. Though Leon Trotsky would be a shoo-in.

Which party do you think Saint Ronald would side with? Right wingers would call him a RINO, or worse

Wow, the above is not Carla_Danger's quote. How on earth did that happen? If you click on the arrow, it takes you to another thread.

 

[JakeStarkey]

from Aristotle to Jefferson to Milton Friedman shows 2500 years of tremendous continuity. Isn't learning fun?

Aristotle, Jefferson and Friedman were classical conservatives who bear little resemblance to the Tea Party conservatives of today.

Actually, dear, all were very very similar to modern Republicans given their shared central belief in very very limited govt.

Actually, they believed in responsible government, while the TP believes in government run by business.

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
― Benito Mussolini

exactly like lib commie Obamacare- right?

Exactly like far right fascist crony capitalism, which Eddy agrees with.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

That is a stupid statement. I tried to come up with a more diplomatic way to say it, but stupid is the perfect description.

dear you clean forgot to say why it is stupid. A liberal will lack the IQ to know that a reason is important.

 

[konradv]

]None of them were liberals.

then why did our liberals spy for them?

Who may or may not have spied for them doesn't make them liberals.

 

[Carla_Danger]

More Americans vote for the Democrats than the Republicans. If not for gerrymandering, we'd be a 1.5 party country.

Interesting concept, gerrymandering. Invented by Democrat Elbridge Gerry. Ah you "modern" Democrats, denying your own. But it's clear that Harry Truman couldn't hold a Democrat Party membership card these days let alone be nominated by The Party for president. Though Leon Trotsky would be a shoo-in.

Which party do you think Saint Ronald would side with? Right wingers would call him a RINO, or worse

too 100% stupid as always given that rightwingers love Reagan as the most conservative president since Jefferson.

So, you agreed with him on amnesty and that it's ridiculous to let millionaires pay less in taxes than bus drivers? Because if a Democrat said just that, your panties would be bunched up in a wad.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

]None of them were liberals.

then why did our liberals spy for them?

Who may or may not have spied for them doesn't make them liberals.

Soviet code name for them was "liberal" Oleg klugian said he looked among the liberals when he needed new spies" Obviously, becausee they too supported ever growing govt. Obama is a liberal yet he had 3 communist parents and voted to left of Bernie Sanders.

Do you understand now?

Norman Thomas quotes:

The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.

 

[BULLDOG]

More Americans vote for the Democrats than the Republicans. If not for gerrymandering, we'd be a 1.5 party country.

Interesting concept, gerrymandering. Invented by Democrat Elbridge Gerry. Ah you "modern" Democrats, denying your own. But it's clear that Harry Truman couldn't hold a Democrat Party membership card these days let alone be nominated by The Party for president. Though Leon Trotsky would be a shoo-in.

Which party do you think Saint Ronald would side with? Right wingers would call him a RINO, or worse

too 100% stupid as always given that rightwingers love Reagan as the most conservative president since Jefferson.

Sure , you love Reagan, but you hate his policies.
1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.
2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase revenue, the government went deeper into debt and Reagan had to raise taxes just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on everything from gasoline to corporate income, Reagan was never able to get the deficit under control.
3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980’s did little help them. “Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,” the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.
4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.
5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose. As governor of California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the state’s abortion laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.” When Reagan ran for president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, but once in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.
6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.” He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.” “This vision stemmed from the president’s belief that the biblical account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear war — and that apocalypse could be averted if everyone, especially the Soviets, eliminated nuclear weapons,” the Washington Monthly noted. And Reagan’s military buildup was meant to crush the Soviet Union, but “also to put the United States in a stronger position from which to establish effective arms control” for the the entire world — a vision acted out by Regean’s vice president, George H.W. Bush, when he became president.
7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major embarrassment for conservatives.
8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran. Reagan and other senior U.S. officials secretly sold arms to officials in Iran, which was subject to a an arms embargo at the time, in exchange for American hostages. Some funds from the illegal arms sales also went to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua — something Congress had already prohibited the administration from doing. When the deals went public, the Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know, was an enormous political scandal that forced several senior administration officials to resign.
9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act. which placed sanctions on South Africa and cut off all American trade with the country. Reagan’s veto was overridden by the Republican-controlled Senate. Reagan responded by saying “I deeply regret that Congress has seen fit to override my veto,” saying that the law “will not solve the serious problems that plague that country.”
10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s ascendancy.
10 Things Conservatives Don t Want You To Know About Ronald Reagan ThinkProgress

 

[konradv]

Soviet code name for them was "liberal" Oleg Klugian said he looked among the liberals when he needed new spies" Obviously, because they too supported ever growing govt. Obama is a liberal yet he had 3 communist parents and voted to left of Bernie Sanders.

You should be ashamed of yourself for believing anything the Soviets had to say.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So, you agreed with Reagan on amnesty.

dear, political issues in a left leaning democracy like ours are settled through compromises with sleazy lefties. Reagan did his fair share of compromising especially since he would have sold his mother for the opportunity to win the cold war, free 2 billion people, and largely remove the threat of nuclear anniliation from the planet. He remains the most beloved president to conservatives, since Jefferson, for his love of freedom from liberal govt whether that govt was here or in the USSR.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

]You should be ashamed of yourself for believing anything the Soviets had to say.

I see no reason to think they lied when they said they looked among the liberals when they needed new spies.