Is Polygamy The Next Gay Marriage?

[Redfish]

good point, but that goes against obama and libs in their effort to "fundamentally transform" this nation.

Bullshit.

Obama has proven himself to be a completely moderate tool.

If he was a raging socialist, I'd support him more.

maybe Cuba or North Korea would be good places for you to relocate. They practice raging socialism.

 

[ricechickie]

maybe Cuba or North Korea would be good places for you to relocate. They practice raging socialism.

Thanks, but I kinda like it here.

 

[frigidweirdo]

thats the point, and it then becomes a legal issue. If gay marriage is legalized then there is absolutely no legal defense that can be brought against all forms of multiple person marriage.

But I think some of us are beginning to get it. Its part of the left wing desire to destroy our society by destroying the family unit. Then everyone can only have one loyalty------------the state.

A) It's a rubbish argument to suggest if gay people get married then polygamists will be able to marry multiple people.
B) Why do you care?

You think it's about destroying your society? Yeah, and those who were against black people being equal said the same damn thing. You want to think that gay people are destroying the family unit when, without gay marriage, 50% of marriages are ending in divorce. Come off it, straight people have destroyed marriage for you.

 

[frigidweirdo]

good point, but that goes against obama and libs in their effort to "fundamentally transform" this nation.

Bullshit.

Obama has proven himself to be a completely moderate tool.

If he was a raging socialist, I'd support him more.

maybe Cuba or North Korea would be good places for you to relocate. They practice raging socialism.

North Korea doesn't.

 

[Mr Natural]

one can only hope

And if for no other reason than to freak out the holier-than-thou rightwing christianist assholes.

 

[ricechickie]

Sure, but it still requires lawyers and courts to administer the terms of a prenup. How many pages do you imagine a prenup would be for a marriage of 5 men, 8 women, 10 kids, 7 cars, 2 trucks, a camper, two boats, and 4 dogs?

So, bitch about the lawyers needed for divorce of polygamist marriages, and bitch about lawyers needed for prenups of polygamist marriages.

Do you just like to bitch about lawyers?

I think prenups are important because everyone goes into the marriage with their eyes open and if and when it ends, there is already a plan in place, so decisions won't be made in an overly-emotional state.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Then don't get into a marriage like that, redfish.

Stay married to the one you love.

Live your life, let others live theirs.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Maybe you could get the govt to install cameras in your bathroom and bedroom, you know, seeing as you like the govt in those places.

They would if they could. Honestly, I have no doubt of that.

Polygamy has no more in common with gay marriage than with straight marriage.

I agree wit a couple of posts above - that TV shows Sister Wives and another I've seen are making the practice more acceptable. And, indeed, neither seems to mistreat the women and children like we saw with the monstrous situation with Warren Jeffs where young girls were forced into marriage at a very young age, exactly as we saw with the Duck Dynasty creep saying adult men should "marry" girls as young as 14.

Plural marriage seems to be a much better deal for the man because, from what I've seen, all but a babysitter-type wife work outside the home. That takes a lot of the pressure off of him to support the family.

Gay marriage, straight marriage, plural marriages - all can be good for those involved or they can be bad. They can be good parents or bad.

Bottom line is protect the children. What takes place between consenting adults is their business and theirs alone.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The homo lobby swore over and over again that this issue would never come up. Now it's undeniable that we're headed down the slippery slope.

Is Polygamy the Next Gay Marriage - The Daily Beast

Back in the early days of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender movement’s push for marriage equality, this slippery slope to polygamy was pragmatically taboo. After all, arguments about gay marriage leading to polygamy were lobbed almost entirely with the purpose of derailing the gay rights agenda. And there was also something inherently offensive about making the connection, along the same lines of suggesting that gay marriage would lead to people marrying goats. Never mind the fact that opposite-sex goat-human marriage had been looming as a dangerous temptation all along…

Still, people often mention polygamy and gay marriage in the same sentence (not to mention the same essay). Recently—in, surprise, Utah—a judge struck down a part of that state’s anti-polygamy law. Mind you, the Utah law makes it a felony punishable by up to five years in prison when someone “cohabits with another person” to whom they aren’t legally married. This makes me wonder whether Utah also outlaws the combustion engine, the Internet and other realities of modern life, but anyway there you have it.

The legal challenge came after the state sued the stars of Sister Wives, a TV show that follows the real life of one husband, his four wives, and their 17 children. Now here’s the thing: Sister Wives premiered in September 2010, but Kody and Meri married in 1990, Kody and Janelle married in 1993, and Kody and Christine married in 1994. In other words, all those marriages predate even the earliest adoption of gay marriage in America, which was in Massachusetts in 2004. And second, in the Sister Wives family, Kody married each of the women, but the women didn’t marry each other.

In other words, polygamy, as it generally is practiced in the United States, is a predominantly heterosexual enterprise—like heterosexuality (or the male ideal of heterosexuality) on steroids. After all, while the percentage of married women who have affairs has risen in recent decades, married men still do most of the cheating. Conservatives concerned about the high rate of divorce in America should stop blaming gay marriage but instead heterosexual infidelity—a prime culprit in 55 percent of divorces.

If couples want to bring cheating out of the deceitful shadows and instead incorporate it openly into their relationship—plus have more hands on deck for kids and more earners in the household in a tough economy—who are we to judge?

Seriously, I’m a bit too traditional and jealous for that sort of thing, but I’m also too traditional to wear jeggings outside the house. Still, you (mostly) don’t see me judging anyone else for doing so.

In 2013 when the United States Supreme Court ruled in favor of marriage equality for same-sex couples, pro-polygamy groups heralded the ruling as a step away from the conventional one-man one-woman definition of marriage and, thus, as opening the door to polygamy. I get that, and to an extent pro-polygamy activists may be trying to latch their still-widely unpopular cause onto the increasingly victorious rainbow bandwagon. ​

It will either be that or incest

 

[Luddly Neddite]

People who wanted interracial marriage fought for interracial marriage
People who wanted gay marriage fought for gay marriage
People who want polygamy will fight for polygamy

All are fighting for their own interests and beliefs. One does not necessarily lead to the other

And the idea that one kind of marriage is "tradition" is incorrect. Society is a living changing thing.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The homo lobby swore over and over again that this issue would never come up. Now it's undeniable that we're headed down the slippery slope.

Is Polygamy the Next Gay Marriage - The Daily Beast

​

All the Utah court decision did was de-criminalize co-habitation.

 

[Redfish]

maybe Cuba or North Korea would be good places for you to relocate. They practice raging socialism.

Thanks, but I kinda like it here.

why would a raging socialist want to remain in an evil capitalist country?

 

[Redfish]

Sure, but it still requires lawyers and courts to administer the terms of a prenup. How many pages do you imagine a prenup would be for a marriage of 5 men, 8 women, 10 kids, 7 cars, 2 trucks, a camper, two boats, and 4 dogs?

So, bitch about the lawyers needed for divorce of polygamist marriages, and bitch about lawyers needed for prenups of polygamist marriages.

Do you just like to bitch about lawyers?

I think prenups are important because everyone goes into the marriage with their eyes open and if and when it ends, there is already a plan in place, so decisions won't be made in an overly-emotional state.

a prenup presumes that the marriage will end. past is prelude.

 

[ricechickie]

why would a raging socialist want to remain in an evil capitalist country?

Because we're not a strictly capitalist country. Surely, you know that.

a prenup presumes that the marriage will end. past is prelude.

No, the contract prepares for many different scenarios.

I signed a contract to get a mortgage to buy a house. Within that contract, there are plans for what the bank will do if I default on the loan. That doesn't mean that they presume I will default.

 

[hazlnut]

The homo lobby swore over and over again that this issue would never come up. Now it's undeniable that we're headed down the slippery slope.

Is Polygamy the Next Gay Marriage - The Daily Beast

Back in the early days of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender movement’s push for marriage equality, this slippery slope to polygamy was pragmatically taboo. After all, arguments about gay marriage leading to polygamy were lobbed almost entirely with the purpose of derailing the gay rights agenda. And there was also something inherently offensive about making the connection, along the same lines of suggesting that gay marriage would lead to people marrying goats. Never mind the fact that opposite-sex goat-human marriage had been looming as a dangerous temptation all along…

Still, people often mention polygamy and gay marriage in the same sentence (not to mention the same essay). Recently—in, surprise, Utah—a judge struck down a part of that state’s anti-polygamy law. Mind you, the Utah law makes it a felony punishable by up to five years in prison when someone “cohabits with another person” to whom they aren’t legally married. This makes me wonder whether Utah also outlaws the combustion engine, the Internet and other realities of modern life, but anyway there you have it.

The legal challenge came after the state sued the stars of Sister Wives, a TV show that follows the real life of one husband, his four wives, and their 17 children. Now here’s the thing: Sister Wives premiered in September 2010, but Kody and Meri married in 1990, Kody and Janelle married in 1993, and Kody and Christine married in 1994. In other words, all those marriages predate even the earliest adoption of gay marriage in America, which was in Massachusetts in 2004. And second, in the Sister Wives family, Kody married each of the women, but the women didn’t marry each other.

In other words, polygamy, as it generally is practiced in the United States, is a predominantly heterosexual enterprise—like heterosexuality (or the male ideal of heterosexuality) on steroids. After all, while the percentage of married women who have affairs has risen in recent decades, married men still do most of the cheating. Conservatives concerned about the high rate of divorce in America should stop blaming gay marriage but instead heterosexual infidelity—a prime culprit in 55 percent of divorces.

If couples want to bring cheating out of the deceitful shadows and instead incorporate it openly into their relationship—plus have more hands on deck for kids and more earners in the household in a tough economy—who are we to judge?

Seriously, I’m a bit too traditional and jealous for that sort of thing, but I’m also too traditional to wear jeggings outside the house. Still, you (mostly) don’t see me judging anyone else for doing so.

In 2013 when the United States Supreme Court ruled in favor of marriage equality for same-sex couples, pro-polygamy groups heralded the ruling as a step away from the conventional one-man one-woman definition of marriage and, thus, as opening the door to polygamy. I get that, and to an extent pro-polygamy activists may be trying to latch their still-widely unpopular cause onto the increasingly victorious rainbow bandwagon. ​

It is traditional biblical marriage.

That's what you people wanted, right?

 

[Redfish]

Then don't get into a marriage like that, redfish.

Stay married to the one you love.

Live your life, let others live theirs.

I will. My concern is for our society as a whole. When a society loses its moral compass it is doomed. When the lines between right and wrong become blurred, societies fail. History should teach us something. The Romans, Greeks, Mayans, Aztecs, Huns, Egyptians all failed when they removed taboos on certain kinds of human behavior.

An "anything goes" attitude towards marriage (or non-marriage) will bring us down. If thats what this society wants, then no one can stop it.

Aberant human behavior should not be recognized as normal.

 

[Redfish]

why would a raging socialist want to remain in an evil capitalist country?

Because we're not a strictly capitalist country. Surely, you know that.

a prenup presumes that the marriage will end. past is prelude.

No, the contract prepares for many different scenarios.

I signed a contract to get a mortgage to buy a house. Within that contract, there are plans for what the bank will do if I default on the loan. That doesn't mean that they presume I will default.

True, but you said you wanted a raging socialist president. But you don't want to live in a raging socialist country.

 

[Redfish]

The homo lobby swore over and over again that this issue would never come up. Now it's undeniable that we're headed down the slippery slope.

Is Polygamy the Next Gay Marriage - The Daily Beast

Back in the early days of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender movement’s push for marriage equality, this slippery slope to polygamy was pragmatically taboo. After all, arguments about gay marriage leading to polygamy were lobbed almost entirely with the purpose of derailing the gay rights agenda. And there was also something inherently offensive about making the connection, along the same lines of suggesting that gay marriage would lead to people marrying goats. Never mind the fact that opposite-sex goat-human marriage had been looming as a dangerous temptation all along…

Still, people often mention polygamy and gay marriage in the same sentence (not to mention the same essay). Recently—in, surprise, Utah—a judge struck down a part of that state’s anti-polygamy law. Mind you, the Utah law makes it a felony punishable by up to five years in prison when someone “cohabits with another person” to whom they aren’t legally married. This makes me wonder whether Utah also outlaws the combustion engine, the Internet and other realities of modern life, but anyway there you have it.

The legal challenge came after the state sued the stars of Sister Wives, a TV show that follows the real life of one husband, his four wives, and their 17 children. Now here’s the thing: Sister Wives premiered in September 2010, but Kody and Meri married in 1990, Kody and Janelle married in 1993, and Kody and Christine married in 1994. In other words, all those marriages predate even the earliest adoption of gay marriage in America, which was in Massachusetts in 2004. And second, in the Sister Wives family, Kody married each of the women, but the women didn’t marry each other.

In other words, polygamy, as it generally is practiced in the United States, is a predominantly heterosexual enterprise—like heterosexuality (or the male ideal of heterosexuality) on steroids. After all, while the percentage of married women who have affairs has risen in recent decades, married men still do most of the cheating. Conservatives concerned about the high rate of divorce in America should stop blaming gay marriage but instead heterosexual infidelity—a prime culprit in 55 percent of divorces.

If couples want to bring cheating out of the deceitful shadows and instead incorporate it openly into their relationship—plus have more hands on deck for kids and more earners in the household in a tough economy—who are we to judge?

Seriously, I’m a bit too traditional and jealous for that sort of thing, but I’m also too traditional to wear jeggings outside the house. Still, you (mostly) don’t see me judging anyone else for doing so.

In 2013 when the United States Supreme Court ruled in favor of marriage equality for same-sex couples, pro-polygamy groups heralded the ruling as a step away from the conventional one-man one-woman definition of marriage and, thus, as opening the door to polygamy. I get that, and to an extent pro-polygamy activists may be trying to latch their still-widely unpopular cause onto the increasingly victorious rainbow bandwagon. ​

It is traditional biblical marriage.

That's what you people wanted, right?

traditional Koran marriage, not Biblical. Do you consider women as property?

 

[Redfish]

good point, but that goes against obama and libs in their effort to "fundamentally transform" this nation.

Bullshit.

Obama has proven himself to be a completely moderate tool.

If he was a raging socialist, I'd support him more.

maybe Cuba or North Korea would be good places for you to relocate. They practice raging socialism.

North Korea doesn't.

North Korea is the end product of raging socialism---------dictatorial socialism.

 

[Redfish]

Sure, but it still requires lawyers and courts to administer the terms of a prenup. How many pages do you imagine a prenup would be for a marriage of 5 men, 8 women, 10 kids, 7 cars, 2 trucks, a camper, two boats, and 4 dogs?

So, bitch about the lawyers needed for divorce of polygamist marriages, and bitch about lawyers needed for prenups of polygamist marriages.

Do you just like to bitch about lawyers?

I think prenups are important because everyone goes into the marriage with their eyes open and if and when it ends, there is already a plan in place, so decisions won't be made in an overly-emotional state.

A country run by lawyers is a fucked up country.