Is legal slavery in the US really over?

[Shogun]

Imbecile, prison, with or wothout the chain gang is no vacation. What stupid logic.

but it's STILL a tax burden on the very society whose laws they decided to ignore. And, considering SOME jobs, yes, it is a vacation even if your bunk mate fucks you in the ass every shower day.

 

[Shogun]

They live better than the homeless or citizens in many 3rd world nations.

thats exactly it. We've seen VETS who die on the fucking street who get less from society than pieces of shit in prison. Prison is not a fucking day spa. If inmates can be made to work in order to be self sufficient then so be it. Next time, dont act like a fucking thug and murder someone in a liquer store robbery.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Really, maybe I'm wrong but tell me how?View attachment 5709
Crack Cocaine use by Race/Ethnicity - Source: U.S. Government SCHotline

http://www.sentencingproject.org/Admin/Documents/publications/dp_cc_sentencingpolicy.pdf

Racial Disparity Approximately 2/3 of crack users are white or Hispanic, yet the vast
majority of persons convicted of possession in federal courts in 1994 were African
American, according to the USSC. Defendants convicted of crack possession in 1994 were
84.5% black, 10.3% white, and 5.2% Hispanic. Trafficking offenders were 4.1% white,
88.3% black, and 7.1% Hispanic. Powder cocaine offenders were more racially mixed.
Defendants convicted of simple possession of cocaine powder were 58% white, 26.7%
black, and 15% Hispanic. The powder trafficking offenders were 32% white, 27.4% black,
and 39.3% Hispanic. The result of the combined difference in sentencing laws and racial
disparity is that black men and women are serving longer prison sentences than white
men and women.

Discrepancies in Cocaine Sentencing: A Test of Black's Theory of Law


Discrepancies in Cocaine Sentencing: A Test of Black's Theory of Law

Abstract:


Since crack cocaine appeared on the streets of the United States in the early 1980’s, the criminal justice system has been overwhelmed with minority drug offenders. b]Prior research has shown that while most people who use crack cocaine are White, the majority of offenders in the criminal justice system are Black or Hispanic.[/b] Moreover it has been shown that minorities are treated more harshly than their White counterparts, often receiving harsher sentences and higher bails as well as being less likely to be released on their own recognizance. Using arrest data from New York City with a matched sample of crack and powder cocaine offenders, this study applies Donald Black’s theory of law to crack and cocaine sentencing to help us better understand why sentencing discrepancies exist. Results show mixed support for Black’s propositions, as have many empirical tests of the theory in the past. Implications of the study and directions for future research are discussed.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

They live better than the homeless or citizens in many 3rd world nations.

Again dumb logic, prison is no cakewalk or resort where people lay back and relax for years. Prisons in third world countries are worst than prisons in America, but if you had your choice the Bass guesses you would rather be in prison behind bars than in a third world country right?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

http://www.sentencingproject.org/Admin/Documents/publications/dp_cc_sentencingpolicy.pdf

Racial Disparity Approximately 2/3 of crack users are white or Hispanic, yet the vast
majority of persons convicted of possession in federal courts in 1994 were African
American, according to the USSC. Defendants convicted of crack possession in 1994 were
84.5% black, 10.3% white, and 5.2% Hispanic. Trafficking offenders were 4.1% white,
88.3% black, and 7.1% Hispanic. Powder cocaine offenders were more racially mixed.
Defendants convicted of simple possession of cocaine powder were 58% white, 26.7%
black, and 15% Hispanic. The powder trafficking offenders were 32% white, 27.4% black,
and 39.3% Hispanic. The result of the combined difference in sentencing laws and racial
disparity is that black men and women are serving longer prison sentences than white
men and women.

Discrepancies in Cocaine Sentencing: A Test of Black's Theory of Law


Discrepancies in Cocaine Sentencing: A Test of Black's Theory of Law

Abstract:


Since crack cocaine appeared on the streets of the United States in the early 1980’s, the criminal justice system has been overwhelmed with minority drug offenders. b]Prior research has shown that while most people who use crack cocaine are White, the majority of offenders in the criminal justice system are Black or Hispanic.[/b] Moreover it has been shown that minorities are treated more harshly than their White counterparts, often receiving harsher sentences and higher bails as well as being less likely to be released on their own recognizance. Using arrest data from New York City with a matched sample of crack and powder cocaine offenders, this study applies Donald Black’s theory of law to crack and cocaine sentencing to help us better understand why sentencing discrepancies exist. Results show mixed support for Black’s propositions, as have many empirical tests of the theory in the past. Implications of the study and directions for future research are discussed.

Sorry your study is worthless since it does not in fact only address "crack". Which is much more addictive then powder. And I doubt more blacks use powder than whites which skews the results. I also believe crack is cheaper to buy and more easily obtained.

 

[AllieBaba]

You're too stupid to read anything, whites make up the majority of drug abusers numerically and perecentage wise, yet there are far more blacks in prison on drug related offenses and longer sentences than whites. The reason for the disparity is that law enforcement purposely target black neighborhoods you idiot, not white ones, so who really needs to lay off the drugs?

So where does all this information come from? There are currently more white than black people, so of course there will be more white abusers.

But a drug-related offense isn't necessarily a use-related offense. It could be manufacture, sale or delivery of an illegal substance. It could be a violent crime committed while obtaining or delivering drugs, or while under the influence, or in order to purchase.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

thats exactly it. We've seen VETS who die on the fucking street who get less from society than pieces of shit in prison. Prison is not a fucking day spa. If inmates can be made to work in order to be self sufficient then so be it. Next time, dont act like a fucking thug and murder someone in a liquer store robbery.

Every documentary and personal account that the Bass has seen and heard about prison life indicates that its rough and harsh beyond harsh, people there are treated far less than human but using your logic you'd rather be in prison taking it up the butt[you do that anyways but thats beside the point] and living among hardened criminals than be a homless vet on the street who's been neglected but has a lot more control over his/her life than an inmate, right? Put down your crack pipe Shogun.

 

[Shogun]

Every documentary and personal account that the Bass has seen and heard about prison life indicates that its rough and harsh beyond harsh, people there are treated far less than human but using your logic you'd rather be in prison taking it up the butt[you do that anyways but thats beside the point] and living among hardened criminals than be a homless vet on the street who's been neglected but has a lot more control over his/her life than an inmate, right? Put down your crack pipe Shogun.

Im white, bass.. statistically speaking, the crackpipe is a legacy you share with no other ethnic demographic.

and, your family reunion is hardly relevant evidence. The fact that prisoners can purchase more goods than a homeless vet can indicates how stupid your position is.


Besides, dont cry because your crime filled ethnic demographic cant see beyond the Tupac soundtrack and gets sent to prison where they may have to do more than act all thugly while living at their mammas house. Black people who get educations don't get sent to prison where they might have to work to keep from being a burden to society.

maybe when you take your face out of the slice of watermelon you can ponder all that.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Im white, bass.. statistically speaking, the crackpipe is a legacy you share with no other ethnic demographic.

Two-thirds of all crack user are and Hispanic, not black people, so yes, you need to put down that crack pipe.

and, your family reunion is hardly relevant evidence. The fact that prisoners can purchase more goods than a homeless vet can indicates how stupid your position is.

The fact that a homeless vet has a far better chance to improve his condition and get a job as opposed to a inmate who's locked up and makes far below the minimum wage reenders you position a retarded one.

Besides, dont cry because your crime filled ethnic demographic cant see beyond the Tupac soundtrack and gets sent to prison where they may have to do more than act all thugly while living at their mammas house.

the majority of blacks are not criminals, don't engage in so-called "thug culture, etc, There are close to almost 40 million blacks in America and only less than 2 million have any involvement with a criminal background.

 

[AllieBaba]

I don't get the parallel between the homeless vet and the convict. A homeless vet is a homeless vet by choice. He hasn't proven he's a criminal, he hasn't been caught and convicted of a crime. He served his country at one point.

It should be easier for him to get a job....provided one can find a job he would deign to take. Having had some contact with homeless vets, chances are he isn't interested in working at any rate. He has other issues.

But it has always been hard for ex-cons to get work. It's not as bad today as it used to be...but many jobs won't hire people with certain crimes on their records. THEY CAN'T. It puts their clients at risk, and screws up insurance.

I'm not understanding what you think we're supposed to be doing for criminals. It's already been proven that rehab doesn't work.

 

[Shogun]

Two-thirds of all crack user are and Hispanic, not black people, so yes, you need to put down that crack pipe.


hehehe.. PLEASE, go ahead and post your evidence, dude. I've gotta SEE this. Indeed, are you hoping that no one remembers the 80s, pokey?


The fact that a homeless vet has a far better chance to improve his condition and get a job as opposed to a inmate who's locked up and makes far below the minimum wage reenders you position a retarded one.

uh, given that a black man who KILLS someone robbing a fucking liquer store isn't serving his fucking country in a goddamn foreign war you convey, once again, the academic FAILURE of your own brain. Yea, you know, because thugly killers SHOULD be able to improve themselves in lockdown. I mean, it's just like summer camp! For real, you are the perfect example of why your race hasn't come very far without looking for handouts like a fish looks for a hooked worm.



the majority of blacks are not criminals, don't engage in so-called "thug culture, etc, There are close to almost 40 million blacks in America and only less than 2 million have any involvement with a criminal background.

I've never suggested that the majority of blacks are. Indeed, the majority of WHITES in 2008 are not racist.. But don't let that keep you from crying boo fucking hoo. And, the very demographic that you are crying about NOT getting an education and GOING to prison ARE these thugly motherfuckers whose gang affiliation and street rep is more valuable than graduating high school. Indeed, this society doesnt throw the Carlton Banks types into prison just because they have black skin. Put that on your fucking Tubac blunt and smoke it..

 

[AllieBaba]

And back to the slavery issue, prison inmates who are allowed (it's a privilege, not a requirement) learn job skills they can use on the outside.

Our prison makes blue jeans and has a clock repair shop. Inmates struggle to be accepted into those programs, and consider themselves lucky when they are. As they ought. They're paying back their debt to society, learning job skills, earning a little money and paying off their fines.

It's win-win.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

I don't get the parallel between the homeless vet and the convict. A homeless vet is a homeless vet by choice. He hasn't proven he's a criminal, he hasn't been caught and convicted of a crime. He served his country at one point.

There is no parallel, thats just the absurdity of Shogun's logic skills. A homeless vet and a convict behind bars are two different entities with no correlation

 

[Bass v 2.0]

hehehe.. PLEASE, go ahead and post your evidence, dude. I've gotta SEE this. Indeed, are you hoping that no one remembers the 80s, pokey?

Here you go Shogun and lay off the crack pipe:

"Racial Impact of Crack Sentencing

Government data demonstrate that drug use rates are similar among all racial and ethnic groups. For crack cocaine, two-thirds of users in the U.S. are white or Hispanic.

http://www.sentencingproject.org/Admin\Documents\publications\dp_cracksentencing.pdf

Now who's the biggest ones smoking crack pipes? You probably lit up before you logged in.

uh, given that a black man who KILLS someone robbing a fucking liquer store isn't serving his fucking country in a goddamn foreign war you convey, once again, the academic FAILURE of your own brain. Yea, you know, because thugly killers SHOULD be able to improve themselves in lockdown. I mean, it's just like summer camp! For real, you are the perfect example of why your race hasn't come very far without looking for handouts like a fish looks for a hooked worm.

illogic : invalid or incorrect reasoning


LOL, your stupid beyond stupid, but to smack you up a little please explain to the Bass how a white person with a criminal record has more of a chance at getting a job than a black, educated man wwith no criminal record, since you want to go there about prison convicts. explain this, Mr "Affirmative action isn't needed:

White ex-cons get jobs faster than Blacks with no criminal record, study | Jet | Find Articles at BNET

White job seekers, fresh out of prison, have a better chance at gaining employment than Blacks with no criminal record, according to a Princeton University study of nearly 1,500 private employers in New York City.

The study, Discrimination in Low Wage Labor Markets, investigated discrimination against young male minorities and ex-offenders by employers.

Sociology professors Devah Pager and Bruce Western conducted the study, the largest and most comprehensive project of its kind to date.

It investigated discrimination against young male minorities and ex-offenders by employers, and also showed that young White high school graduates were about twice as likely to receive positive responses from New York employers as equally qualified Black job seekers.

According to the study, a criminal record reduced positive responses from employers by about 35 percent for White applicants and 57 percent for Black applicants.

Even without criminal records, Black applicants had low rates of positive responses, about the same as the response rate for White applicants with criminal records.

The study did find that minority employers were more accepting of minority applicants and job applicants with prison records.

The study used an experimental audit methodology in which teams of young men applied for real job openings throughout the city, presenting the same qualifications and experience.

By recording which applicants were invited back for interviews or were offered jobs, the study shed light on how and when an applicant's race or criminal background may be used as a screening mechanism by employers.

"A lot of people are skeptical that African-Americans still face discrimination in the job market. But even in a diverse city like New York, the evidence of discrimination is unmistakable," said Pager, co-author of the study.

Researchers with the New York-based study sent 13 applicants on nearly 3,500 job interviews with 1,470 private companies ranging from restaurants to manufacturing to financial services. All jobs were entry level.

The National Science Foundation, the JEHT (Justice, Equality, Human Dignity and Tolerance) Foundation and the Policy Research Institute for the Region at Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs funded the study, and the New York City Commission on Human Rights provided office and administrative assistance.

 

[Ravi]

Point for the Bass.

 

[AllieBaba]

Which means nothing except that there are more whites and hispanics than blacks.

I'd be curious about the stats...what percentage of blacks do crack, compared to what percentage of whites/hispanics.

Though I'm not sure there's an accurate way to determine it...

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Which means nothing except that there are more whites and hispanics than blacks.

Are you sure thats the reasoning for this? The point is that crack smoking isn't a black thing, overwhelming it isn't.

 

[Shogun]

THIS is why you are such a fucking failure, bass.. you just dont understand what you are quoting. I bet an afrocentric think tank will help you out finding the right excuse for your ignorance though!



A recent CNN/Money article, citing a new study of the effects of race on employment, offered this jarring assertion: "Black job applicants without criminal records are equally likely to be hired as their white counterparts who have served time in prison."

But that's not exactly what the study found. The actual results of the study -- conducted using an inventive approach from two Princeton University researchers -- are more difficult to capture in a soundbite.

Devah Pager and Bruce Western of Princeton's sociology department recruited college students and assigned them to teams to test employers. One team consisted of a pair of black job applicants -- one pretending to have been convicted of a felony, the other not, both otherwise similarly qualified -- and the other team was a corresponding pair of white applicants.

The study didn't track which applicants actually got jobs, as articles on CNN and elsewhere suggested. Instead, it focused on how likely job candidates were to get a second interview. The researchers found, broadly, that the white student posing as an ex-con was just as likely to get called back for a second interview as was the black student with a clean record. But even that conclusion requires more explanation, and shows why there are several caveats to generalizing too broadly about this study.

First of all, the two groups didn't apply for the same jobs. The jobs were randomly assigned to the teams from a set of listings culled from classified ads, as well as businesses that the testers visited randomly. The black pair applied for 211 jobs, the white pair to 208 jobs. The proportion of certain types of jobs randomly assigned to each group -- like restaurant positions -- ended up being very different. That meant the callback rates had to be adjusted to compensate, Dr. Pager told me.

Also, the job applicants took an approach of full disclosure, putting their prison work on their resumes and listing their parole officers as a reference. Ex-offenders who choose to hide their incarcerations may have a better chance of getting called back for interviews. (Dr. Pager notes that they could face a greater risk of being fired later for lying.) There is also the question of whether the fictitious crime the researchers chose to use -- cocaine possession with intent to distribute -- affected employers' reactions. Dr. Pager says surveys show employers are generally most concerned about violent offenses and theft.

Finally, the study covered only entry-level jobs, and focused on New York City. Dr. Pager conducted a similar study in 2003 in Milwaukee, which found similar results (that study was recently cited by The Wall Street Journal.) She says, "It would be great to do a study like this in the West. Maybe we'd see different results there."

The Numbers Guy - WSJ.com

 

[Shogun]

Point for the Bass.

dig up the study and take a gander at the method used. If you can't spot what makes it a poor example of testing methods then you've clearly never been to college.


you fucking cheerleader.

 

[Shogun]

Which means nothing except that there are more whites and hispanics than blacks.

I'd be curious about the stats...what percentage of blacks do crack, compared to what percentage of whites/hispanics.

Though I'm not sure there's an accurate way to determine it...

thats exactly it. His source doesn't relate the sample demographics in relation to the population that HE THINKS they represent. Thus, 5k positive white answers in rural monana compared to 1k positive blacks (20% of the population) would make bass thing that white people in montana are crack fiends.. a laughable notion.


but a notion that ole Ravi would don the pom pons for non the less!






take a fucking stats class, bass. Ravi's education depends on it!