CDZ Is kneeling the most effective protest?

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    Yep. Take Michael brown, for instance. Even AFTER the tapes surfaced of this huge, lumbering thug grabbing a little store clerk and tossing him aside like a rag doll, the leftist idiots Didn't miss a beat and just doubled down on their preprogrammed garbage.

    The real discussion should be about behavior leading to consequences. If these phony activists actually wanted to make a difference, they should start teaching more blacks to take responsibility for their behavior.

    All they are doing now is enabling even more bad behavior by blaming anybody but the black perps for their unruly behavior.
     
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    Clearly not as effective as closing ones wallet...
     
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    In most cases yes, but you don't see a problem with the philando Castile case? Granted he did forget one of the two most important things as a carry permit holder when being stopped by police, one being informing the officer you're packing, which he did, the second KEEP YOUR HANDS ON THE WHEEL. Philando did make a mistake, but it's a mistake that does not deserve that consequence. I'm sorry but just plainly reaching for something during a stop is not cause enough for use of lethal force. If you or I acted the way that cop did as "civilians" we'd be rotting away in prison, 100%. And there's the problem, the police are civilians, civilians entrusted to enforce the law but still civilians. They shouldn't be given special privileges when it comes to using lethal force, they should obey the same laws we do. Now the laws are on the officers side in this case, he acted within law, it's the law I have a problem with. And if the officer was that worried about the act of reaching for his back pocket, that he could've been reaching for his gun, that's honestly just ridiculous. Reaching for your ID during a traffic stop is something WE ALL DO. Almost every single stop, where is there any less risk of someone when asked for ID, pretends like their rummaging for the purse for it, or in their glove box and instead pulls a gun and fires. Why is that case treated differently? Someone planning to shoot a cop like that certainly would not announce before hand that they were a carry permit holder that's armed. Clearly this cop was waaay to jumpy to be a cop, did not use the better judgment they were entrusted with, and someone is now dead because of it. But this cop has the laws in the book on his side, and he's free and clear. And like I said before, if that would have been you or I in plain clothes, even with a more credible threat than this officer faced, we be charged with at least maslaughter, more likely murder. There is a problem with police. Most are following the rules, but the rules in place shift more value on their own lives than the citizens they encounter and are supposed to protect. That value should be even.

    Or take for instance the many many cases of police shooting people armed with only knives. Every time that happens they'll throw out the stat that it only takes someone with a knife a couple seconds to kill you from 10 ft away. Here's an idea, DO NOT CLOSE DISTANCE TO PEOPLE ARMED WITH KNIVES UNTIL THEY HAVE BEEN DISARMED OR NEUTRALIZED IN SOME OTHER WAY. Why the hell is that not part of their training. There is at least of couple of these cases per state a year, and I get that not every case is the same. It still happens far far too often, especially since most of the people with knives are mentally ill, paranoid schizophrenics who are worried about the G-men coming to switch their brains out with an aliens brain. There needs to be better desernment there. And they need to be held accountable when they don't use it. Which brings up my next point...the "Law Enforcement Bill of Rights," needs to go. There is no reason they should get special treatment in investigations just because "they're in the biz." Nope, no way, they are citizens just like us, if anything they should be under extra scrutiny, being the ones entrusted with enforcing the law.
     
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    And, bingo.

    This is something they choose to ignore. Their higher priority is the Oppressed/Oppressor template they apply to virtually every relationship.

    They have to know they're enabling bad behavior. But it's just not a high enough priority for them. And, of course, it's valuable to them politically.
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    The phenomenon is much like we see when regressives defend Islamists. time after time they defend the Islamist behavior and attitudes but CLAIM they are doing this to defend moderate Muslims. Similarly, they support thug life under the misapprehension they are supporting all blacks. To them, the thugs ARE blacks just as the Islamists attitudes are Muslim, so they feel compelled to defend them.
     
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    I can't imagine a future in which blacks are allowed to commit crimes and kill police officers just because people are bored with being pissed off. Can you?

    What blacks want is a license to kill. A license based upon skin color. Perhaps, the darker the skin, the more killings you can get away with.
     
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    I saw this on facebook.....and it was confirmed here: FACT CHECK: Did a U.S. Veteran Influence Kaepernick's 'Take a Knee' Protest of Police Brutality? ... is this really so bad?

    How it all started:

    How it all started, and how we got here.

    (Unfortunately, the people that could learn something by reading this likely won't bother).

    Did you know this?

    Aug 14, 2016- Colin Kaepernick sits for the national anthem.....and no one noticed.

    Aug 20th, 2016- Colin again sits, and again, no one noticed.

    Aug 26th, 2016- Colin sits and this time he is met with a level of vitriol unseen against an athlete. Even the future President of the United States took shots at him while on the campaign trail. Colin went on to explain his protest had NOTHING to with the military, but he felt it hard to stand for a flag that didn't treat people of color fairly.

    Then on on Aug 30th, 2016 Nate Boyer, a former Army Green Beret turned NFL long snapper, penned an open letter to Colin in the Army Times. In it he expressed how Colin's sitting affected him.

    Then a strange thing happened. Colin was able to do what most Americans to date have not...
    He listened.

    In his letter, Mr. Boyer writes:
    "I’m not judging you for standing up for what you believe in. It’s your inalienable right. What you are doing takes a lot of courage, and I’d be lying if I said I knew what it was like to walk around in your shoes. I’ve never had to deal with prejudice because of the color of my skin, and for me to say I can relate to what you’ve gone through is as ignorant as someone who’s never been in a combat zone telling me they understand what it’s like to go to war.
    Even though my initial reaction to your protest was one of anger, I’m trying to listen to what you’re saying and why you’re doing it."

    Mr. Boyer goes on to write "There are already plenty people fighting fire with fire, and it’s just not helping anyone or anything. So I’m just going to keep listening, with an open mind. I look forward to the day you're inspired to once again stand during our national anthem. I'll be standing right there next to you."

    Empathy and understanding was shown by Mr. Boyer.........and Mr. Kaepernick reciprocated.

    Colin invited Nate to San Diego where the two had a 90 minute discussion and Nate proposed Colin kneel instead of sit.

    But why kneel? In a military funeral, after the flag is taken off the casket of the fallen military member, it is smartly folded 13 times and then presented to the parents, spouse or child of the fallen member by a fellow service member while KNEELING. The two decided that kneeling for the flag would symbolize his reverence for those that paid the ultimate sacrifice while still allowing Colin to peacefully protest the injustices he saw.

    Empathy, not zealotry under the guise of patriotism, is the only way meaningful discussion can be had. Mr. Kaepernick listened to all of you that say he disrespects the military and extended an olive branch to find a peace.

    When will America listen to him?

    We can all learn from this backstory. The truth often lies in the middle. Seek to learn the opposing side's point.

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    No, you're wrong.

    But based on this post I doubt there's much point in actually telling you the reality. It'd involve more than a few sentences.
     
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    it's not "much" like, it's exactly like.

    That's because it falls into the "Oppressed"/"Oppressor" template they apply to all relationships. Determine the Oppressed group, and then defend and attack for and coddle and deflect for that group at all costs, including enabling future bad behaviors, no matter what, period.
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    We have a McCarthy era phrase in our pledge. There should be no false witness bearing to our Constitution.
     

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