CDZ Is kneeling the most effective protest?

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    They aren't getting it because the narrative of injustice you are citing is wrong. This is coming from someone who does see a problem with our police, I sympathize with BLM, I certainly do not stand with them. It is NOT systemic racism in the police force, it is NOT murder. Are there racist cops sure, not many, still they should not be police. The problem with police lies in their training, especially after almost 50 years with the war on drugs. There is a problem with police if the our soldiers in hostile war zones have stricter rules of engagement than our police do with our citizens. These cops are not getting away with literal murder, most are carrying out their training, which is what our courts of law are finding. And in the AA population where around 30% of males wind up felons, that's where the overbearing hand of the training (proverbial rubber) is meeting the population it largely effects (the road). There is also a problem with groups like BLM lying about what is happening in these cases, take for instance hands up don't shoot in the micheal brown case, that never happened. What actually happened (that we know for a fact) is micheal brown punched the officer hard enough in the face to fracture his eye bone while he was sitting in his cruiser, then there was a struggle for the officers firearm in the cruiser, where brown was shot in the arm. Brown tried to flee as the officer got out, ordered him to stop, which brown (according to his friend who was present caught on video minutes after), charged the officer, the officer shot and struck him multiple time IN HIS FRONTSIDE, where he died. Which the friend of brown said "I thought the cop was missing BC Mike just kept coming." So the actual evidence very closely aligns to the cops testimony on what happened in the shooting. And those who claimed otherwise, it was found out that they weren't at the scene and did not actually witness it.

    So do you actually want change, or do you just want to be defiant?
     
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    I would say liberals not paying their taxes would be the best protest.

    When it comes to money, people listen.

    After all, do you really want to pay taxes to a racist government, hmm?
     
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    Well, from the perspective of being noticed, it is a very effective form of protest. The problem is some people will always choose to see things according to their own agenda.
     
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    As a liberal, I don't complain about taxes. Only whiners do that.
     
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    Well both parties insist on putting us into insurmountable debt that will eventually destroy the Republic.

    Dims want to raise taxes and then turn around and give free everything, and the GOP want's to lower taxes and go to war over seas.

    Either way it results in pretty much the same outcome.
     
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    I am advocating ending our drug war to pay for health care.

    Marijuana Sales Totaled $6.7 Billion In 2016
     
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    Right, bring in more governmental revenue that they will use that revenue to pay for things..................you do know how things really work in government, don't you?
     
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    If that's your goal is to get noticed, ok, but that doesn't do anything at all to actually "start a conversation" about the topic. All it's doing is just pissing both sides off, and starting a heated argument about the method of "starting a conversation" in kneeling for the anthem. It hasn't done squat when it comes to actual change, it's just galvanized both side further. Nobody on either side is having an honest conversation, nobody is listening, and BOTH SIDES NEED TO START LISTENING. Which will not happen if your starting point is doing something that the people you're trying to convince find disrespectful, and then try to tell them it isn't disrespectful from your view, and continue to do it.

    If I was trying to convince a Muslim village in Afghanistan that honor killing is bad, and if by doing that I'm drawing Muhammad in front of them...do you really think that's going to work!? If I go to a traditional Japanese house to try to convince them that they should buy my shoes, and I'm walking all over their place in my shoes (which they consider disrespectful even though I don't) do you think I'm going to get any where with them? You need to actually listen to the other side. That doesn't mean listen and ignore, or listen and then turn around and try to invalidate what they're saying to you. There is a better way to protest that, just like there is a way way way better and uniting way Trump could've have said players should stand for the flag, he didn't, and he messed up big time (if he was trying to be uniting, he's not interested in that at all). If you think what trump said was stupid, divisive and wrong, but think that players should keep kneeling, you're guilty of the same damn thing. It may not be as "bad" as what trump said, but does that even matter? It should if your goal is to bring about change, if that isn't your goal, then keep cheering on the players kneeling for the anthem, and leave the actual honest "conversation" to the people who actually do care.
     
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    Why the hell are we still bringing up tebow? Completely different situation.
     

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