Is It Wrong to Think Homosexuality is a Sin?

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The problem with "perfect" is that one would have to have a comparison. So, if we say no one is perfect, we mean we know what a perfect person would be while also saying such a being cannot be.
So, how do we know we aren't perfect? Isn't that really just saying we aren't satisfied? And, perhaps, being unsatisfied is the perfect thing to be.

..to me, humans are imperfect
..we murder for any number of reasons--nonsensical reasons
..humans do the most nonsensical things--one of them is committing suicide along with murdering wives/children
..they do things like jumping from cliffs/buildings/etc--that sometimes result in death
..most airplane crashes are human error
..we know we are imperfect
...and we have wars--that kill millions/destroy/etc--!!!! ''god creates'' humans that kill millions of other humans ??!!

no--we are imperfect and god creating us as ''perfect''' makes no reasonable sense
..

The moral law is what we ought to do, not what we do do.

Why would you think that unless everything were perfect there could be no God?

Nobody expected god to be perfect.

We are to never think of God's power or perfection in terms of sheer omnipotence. We are to think of God's power and perfection in terms of purpose. Could God create perfection through his sheer omnipotence? Sure, but then it would defeat his purpose which in reality would be a weakness. God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome under certain conditions. You are being tested; purified. It isn't virtuous for you to be made to be virtuous, Taz. You have to choose to be virtuous to actually be virtuous.

"God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome"

You peeps sure have a lot of dumb excuses to scapegoat god's deficiencies. So god's not actually perfect, that's why we have deformed babies and cancer?

And you have a weird expectation that there can be no God unless everything is perfect. Thus proving you are indeed an atheist and a militant one at that.

 

[harmonica]

How does a baby that hasn't been born yet screw things up for itself?

Its parents play a part in that.

So you're saying that parents are always responsible for a child with downs syndrome or cancer or deformed?

I am saying that humankind in general are the cause their own miseries. You apparently seem to want to lay that off on God instead of putting the fault where it belongs with failed human precepts.

God isn't going to stand in the way of you walking out in front of a bulldozer if that is what you determine you want to do. After all the Lord does give each its hearts desire and if you give yourself over to the son of perdition side in you and you desire to walk away from the spirit of truth or look the other way when it is there in front of you that is on you not the spirit of God.

We're not talking about an adult making a bad decision, but rather a baby that hasn't lived yet and is born deformed, retarded or with cancer. It's not always the fault of the parents, sometimes it's genetic. That's on god. God doesn't have to let that happen.

"Genetics" is merely a phrase used by humans who do not have a full understand of the mechanism of the reactions that the humans make from humankind's own choices. I suppose next you'll be blaming God for creating nuclear reactor breakdowns? Even though humans knew that they were taking a risk when they built the facilities that break down.

god's most ''important'' creation is flawed......god created something that is flawed--why?

 

[ding]

Its parents play a part in that.

So you're saying that parents are always responsible for a child with downs syndrome or cancer or deformed?

I am saying that humankind in general are the cause their own miseries. You apparently seem to want to lay that off on God instead of putting the fault where it belongs with failed human precepts.

God isn't going to stand in the way of you walking out in front of a bulldozer if that is what you determine you want to do. After all the Lord does give each its hearts desire and if you give yourself over to the son of perdition side in you and you desire to walk away from the spirit of truth or look the other way when it is there in front of you that is on you not the spirit of God.

We're not talking about an adult making a bad decision, but rather a baby that hasn't lived yet and is born deformed, retarded or with cancer. It's not always the fault of the parents, sometimes it's genetic. That's on god. God doesn't have to let that happen.

"Genetics" is merely a phrase used by humans who do not have a full understand of the mechanism of the reactions that the humans make from humankind's own choices. I suppose next you'll be blaming God for creating nuclear reactor breakdowns? Even though humans knew that they were taking a risk when they built the facilities that break down.

god's most ''important'' creation is flawed......god created something that is flawed--why?

Is that your standard for belief? Perfection?

14 billion years ago when he created time and space, it was perfect. No disorder whatsoever. From that moment on disorder increased but from that disorder, order arose. Until the point that one of his creatures criticized him for what he created.

Read Job 40 to see how your conversation will go when you blame him for your error.

 

[Taz]

..to me, humans are imperfect
..we murder for any number of reasons--nonsensical reasons
..humans do the most nonsensical things--one of them is committing suicide along with murdering wives/children
..they do things like jumping from cliffs/buildings/etc--that sometimes result in death
..most airplane crashes are human error
..we know we are imperfect
...and we have wars--that kill millions/destroy/etc--!!!! ''god creates'' humans that kill millions of other humans ??!!

no--we are imperfect and god creating us as ''perfect''' makes no reasonable sense
..

The moral law is what we ought to do, not what we do do.

Why would you think that unless everything were perfect there could be no God?

Nobody expected god to be perfect.

We are to never think of God's power or perfection in terms of sheer omnipotence. We are to think of God's power and perfection in terms of purpose. Could God create perfection through his sheer omnipotence? Sure, but then it would defeat his purpose which in reality would be a weakness. God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome under certain conditions. You are being tested; purified. It isn't virtuous for you to be made to be virtuous, Taz. You have to choose to be virtuous to actually be virtuous.

"God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome"

You peeps sure have a lot of dumb excuses to scapegoat god's deficiencies. So god's not actually perfect, that's why we have deformed babies and cancer?

God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome under certain conditions.

Your intentional misstating of what I wrote is how I know you are a militant atheist.

How do you know that that's god's purpose?

 

[Taz]

..to me, humans are imperfect
..we murder for any number of reasons--nonsensical reasons
..humans do the most nonsensical things--one of them is committing suicide along with murdering wives/children
..they do things like jumping from cliffs/buildings/etc--that sometimes result in death
..most airplane crashes are human error
..we know we are imperfect
...and we have wars--that kill millions/destroy/etc--!!!! ''god creates'' humans that kill millions of other humans ??!!

no--we are imperfect and god creating us as ''perfect''' makes no reasonable sense
..

The moral law is what we ought to do, not what we do do.

Why would you think that unless everything were perfect there could be no God?

Nobody expected god to be perfect.

We are to never think of God's power or perfection in terms of sheer omnipotence. We are to think of God's power and perfection in terms of purpose. Could God create perfection through his sheer omnipotence? Sure, but then it would defeat his purpose which in reality would be a weakness. God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome under certain conditions. You are being tested; purified. It isn't virtuous for you to be made to be virtuous, Taz. You have to choose to be virtuous to actually be virtuous.

"God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome"

You peeps sure have a lot of dumb excuses to scapegoat god's deficiencies. So god's not actually perfect, that's why we have deformed babies and cancer?

And you have a weird expectation that there can be no God unless everything is perfect. Thus proving you are indeed an atheist and a militant one at that.

I never said that, you made that up to fit me into your fantasy world.

 

[ding]

The moral law is what we ought to do, not what we do do.

Why would you think that unless everything were perfect there could be no God?

Nobody expected god to be perfect.

We are to never think of God's power or perfection in terms of sheer omnipotence. We are to think of God's power and perfection in terms of purpose. Could God create perfection through his sheer omnipotence? Sure, but then it would defeat his purpose which in reality would be a weakness. God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome under certain conditions. You are being tested; purified. It isn't virtuous for you to be made to be virtuous, Taz. You have to choose to be virtuous to actually be virtuous.

"God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome"

You peeps sure have a lot of dumb excuses to scapegoat god's deficiencies. So god's not actually perfect, that's why we have deformed babies and cancer?

God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome under certain conditions.

Your intentional misstating of what I wrote is how I know you are a militant atheist.

How do you know that that's god's purpose?

Through observation, reason and experience.

 

[ding]

The moral law is what we ought to do, not what we do do.

Why would you think that unless everything were perfect there could be no God?

Nobody expected god to be perfect.

We are to never think of God's power or perfection in terms of sheer omnipotence. We are to think of God's power and perfection in terms of purpose. Could God create perfection through his sheer omnipotence? Sure, but then it would defeat his purpose which in reality would be a weakness. God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome under certain conditions. You are being tested; purified. It isn't virtuous for you to be made to be virtuous, Taz. You have to choose to be virtuous to actually be virtuous.

"God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome"

You peeps sure have a lot of dumb excuses to scapegoat god's deficiencies. So god's not actually perfect, that's why we have deformed babies and cancer?

And you have a weird expectation that there can be no God unless everything is perfect. Thus proving you are indeed an atheist and a militant one at that.

I never said that, you made that up to fit me into your fantasy world.

Wrong. I deduced it.

 

[Taz]

Nobody expected god to be perfect.

We are to never think of God's power or perfection in terms of sheer omnipotence. We are to think of God's power and perfection in terms of purpose. Could God create perfection through his sheer omnipotence? Sure, but then it would defeat his purpose which in reality would be a weakness. God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome under certain conditions. You are being tested; purified. It isn't virtuous for you to be made to be virtuous, Taz. You have to choose to be virtuous to actually be virtuous.

"God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome"

You peeps sure have a lot of dumb excuses to scapegoat god's deficiencies. So god's not actually perfect, that's why we have deformed babies and cancer?

God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome under certain conditions.

Your intentional misstating of what I wrote is how I know you are a militant atheist.

How do you know that that's god's purpose?

Through observation, reason and experience.

So you have nothing. Got it.

 

[RodISHI]

Its parents play a part in that.

So you're saying that parents are always responsible for a child with downs syndrome or cancer or deformed?

I am saying that humankind in general are the cause their own miseries. You apparently seem to want to lay that off on God instead of putting the fault where it belongs with failed human precepts.

God isn't going to stand in the way of you walking out in front of a bulldozer if that is what you determine you want to do. After all the Lord does give each its hearts desire and if you give yourself over to the son of perdition side in you and you desire to walk away from the spirit of truth or look the other way when it is there in front of you that is on you not the spirit of God.

We're not talking about an adult making a bad decision, but rather a baby that hasn't lived yet and is born deformed, retarded or with cancer. It's not always the fault of the parents, sometimes it's genetic. That's on god. God doesn't have to let that happen.

"Genetics" is merely a phrase used by humans who do not have a full understand of the mechanism of the reactions that the humans make from humankind's own choices. I suppose next you'll be blaming God for creating nuclear reactor breakdowns? Even though humans knew that they were taking a risk when they built the facilities that break down.

god's most ''important'' creation is flawed......god created something that is flawed--why?

Sorry the adversary (son of perdition) is not God's most important creation. Your thinking is what is flawed.

 

[deanrd]

The way Republicans pick and choose what is sin is, is hilarious.

Cheating on your wife having unprotected sex with a porn star is either not a sin or very forgivable, even to someone NOT asking for forgiveness.

Tax cuts to billionaires while screwing over the poor is never a sin.

Lying about everything is never a sin for the GOP.

 

[hobelim]

14 billion years ago when he created time and space, it was perfect. No disorder whatsoever. From that moment on disorder increased but from that disorder, order arose. Until the point that one of his creatures criticized him for what he created.

You are insane.

The rebellion of satan was about the refusal of certain creatures to conform to the law of God once it came into the world only a few thousand years ago.

They probably saw themselves as the subject of refrain and condemnation in the divine menu and were highly insulted.

Imagine the rebellion in government if suddenly politicians were told by God that they would be cast into hell for the rest of their lives and then destroyed forever without compunction if they used deception to get elected and then betrayed the people they were entrusted to serve?

 

[danielpalos]

It is wrong to not help out any heterosexual person, simply for the greater glory of our immortal souls.

and, practice should always, enable forms of Perfection.

 

[ding]

We are to never think of God's power or perfection in terms of sheer omnipotence. We are to think of God's power and perfection in terms of purpose. Could God create perfection through his sheer omnipotence? Sure, but then it would defeat his purpose which in reality would be a weakness. God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome under certain conditions. You are being tested; purified. It isn't virtuous for you to be made to be virtuous, Taz. You have to choose to be virtuous to actually be virtuous.

"God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome"

You peeps sure have a lot of dumb excuses to scapegoat god's deficiencies. So god's not actually perfect, that's why we have deformed babies and cancer?

God's purpose isn't to achieve a certain outcome. God's purpose is to achieve a certain outcome under certain conditions.

Your intentional misstating of what I wrote is how I know you are a militant atheist.

How do you know that that's god's purpose?

Through observation, reason and experience.

So you have nothing. Got it.

Observation, reason and experience isn't nothing, Taz. I've explained the details to you ad nauseam. It's not like you don't know what I am talking about.

You are the one with nothing.

 

[gtopa1]

Nope.

Greg

 

[ding]

14 billion years ago when he created time and space, it was perfect. No disorder whatsoever. From that moment on disorder increased but from that disorder, order arose. Until the point that one of his creatures criticized him for what he created.

You are insane.

The rebellion of satan was about the refusal of certain creatures to conform to the law of God once it came into the world only a few thousand years ago.

They probably saw themselves as the subject of refrain and condemnation in the divine menu and were highly insulted.

Imagine the rebellion in government if suddenly politicians were told by God that they would be cast into hell for the rest of their lives and then destroyed forever without compunction if they used deception to get elected and then betrayed the people they were entrusted to serve?

Are you arguing that God did not create space and time?

Are you arguing that that did not happen ~14 billion years ago?

Are you arguing that when all matter and energy in the universe occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of single atom it was not perfectly ordered?

Are you arguing that the atoms that make up every person who existed or will exist were not present when space and time were created?

Everything I have said has been proven by science.

You are the one who is insane if you don't believe these things.

 

[hobelim]

14 billion years ago when he created time and space, it was perfect. No disorder whatsoever. From that moment on disorder increased but from that disorder, order arose. Until the point that one of his creatures criticized him for what he created.

You are insane.

The rebellion of satan was about the refusal of certain creatures to conform to the law of God once it came into the world only a few thousand years ago.

They probably saw themselves as the subject of refrain and condemnation in the divine menu and were highly insulted.

Imagine the rebellion in government if suddenly politicians were told by God that they would be cast into hell for the rest of their lives and then destroyed forever without compunction if they used deception to get elected and then betrayed the people they were entrusted to serve?

Are you arguing that God did not create space and time?

Are you arguing that that did not happen ~14 billion years ago?

Are you arguing that when all matter and energy in the universe occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of single atom it was not perfectly ordered?

Are you arguing that the atoms that make up every person who existed or will exist were not present when space and time were created?

Everything I have said has been proven by science.

You are the one who is insane if you don't believe these things.

Im am saying that the genesis account of the creation of heaven and earth is not and never was about God creating the universe 14 billion years ago, space and time, the solar system, the planet, or the first plants animals or humans.

The rebellion of Satan was rebellion against the will of God codified by Moses only a few thousand years ago.

 

[ding]

14 billion years ago when he created time and space, it was perfect. No disorder whatsoever. From that moment on disorder increased but from that disorder, order arose. Until the point that one of his creatures criticized him for what he created.

You are insane.

The rebellion of satan was about the refusal of certain creatures to conform to the law of God once it came into the world only a few thousand years ago.

They probably saw themselves as the subject of refrain and condemnation in the divine menu and were highly insulted.

Imagine the rebellion in government if suddenly politicians were told by God that they would be cast into hell for the rest of their lives and then destroyed forever without compunction if they used deception to get elected and then betrayed the people they were entrusted to serve?

Are you arguing that God did not create space and time?

Are you arguing that that did not happen ~14 billion years ago?

Are you arguing that when all matter and energy in the universe occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of single atom it was not perfectly ordered?

Are you arguing that the atoms that make up every person who existed or will exist were not present when space and time were created?

Everything I have said has been proven by science.

You are the one who is insane if you don't believe these things.

Im am saying that the genesis account of the creation of heaven and earth is not and never was about God creating the universe 14 billion years ago, space and time, the solar system, the planet, or the first plants animals or humans.

The rebellion of Satan was rebellion against the will of God codified by Moses only a few thousand years ago.

Who told you that?

 

[hobelim]

14 billion years ago when he created time and space, it was perfect. No disorder whatsoever. From that moment on disorder increased but from that disorder, order arose. Until the point that one of his creatures criticized him for what he created.

You are insane.

The rebellion of satan was about the refusal of certain creatures to conform to the law of God once it came into the world only a few thousand years ago.

They probably saw themselves as the subject of refrain and condemnation in the divine menu and were highly insulted.

Imagine the rebellion in government if suddenly politicians were told by God that they would be cast into hell for the rest of their lives and then destroyed forever without compunction if they used deception to get elected and then betrayed the people they were entrusted to serve?

Are you arguing that God did not create space and time?

Are you arguing that that did not happen ~14 billion years ago?

Are you arguing that when all matter and energy in the universe occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of single atom it was not perfectly ordered?

Are you arguing that the atoms that make up every person who existed or will exist were not present when space and time were created?

Everything I have said has been proven by science.

You are the one who is insane if you don't believe these things.

Im am saying that the genesis account of the creation of heaven and earth is not and never was about God creating the universe 14 billion years ago, space and time, the solar system, the planet, or the first plants animals or humans.

The rebellion of Satan was rebellion against the will of God codified by Moses only a few thousand years ago.

Who told you that?

God.

 

[ding]

14 billion years ago when he created time and space, it was perfect. No disorder whatsoever. From that moment on disorder increased but from that disorder, order arose. Until the point that one of his creatures criticized him for what he created.

You are insane.

The rebellion of satan was about the refusal of certain creatures to conform to the law of God once it came into the world only a few thousand years ago.

They probably saw themselves as the subject of refrain and condemnation in the divine menu and were highly insulted.

Imagine the rebellion in government if suddenly politicians were told by God that they would be cast into hell for the rest of their lives and then destroyed forever without compunction if they used deception to get elected and then betrayed the people they were entrusted to serve?

Are you arguing that God did not create space and time?

Are you arguing that that did not happen ~14 billion years ago?

Are you arguing that when all matter and energy in the universe occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of single atom it was not perfectly ordered?

Are you arguing that the atoms that make up every person who existed or will exist were not present when space and time were created?

Everything I have said has been proven by science.

You are the one who is insane if you don't believe these things.

Im am saying that the genesis account of the creation of heaven and earth is not and never was about God creating the universe 14 billion years ago, space and time, the solar system, the planet, or the first plants animals or humans.

The rebellion of Satan was rebellion against the will of God codified by Moses only a few thousand years ago.

Who told you that?

God.

How?

 

[hobelim]

You are insane.

The rebellion of satan was about the refusal of certain creatures to conform to the law of God once it came into the world only a few thousand years ago.

They probably saw themselves as the subject of refrain and condemnation in the divine menu and were highly insulted.

Imagine the rebellion in government if suddenly politicians were told by God that they would be cast into hell for the rest of their lives and then destroyed forever without compunction if they used deception to get elected and then betrayed the people they were entrusted to serve?

Are you arguing that God did not create space and time?

Are you arguing that that did not happen ~14 billion years ago?

Are you arguing that when all matter and energy in the universe occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of single atom it was not perfectly ordered?

Are you arguing that the atoms that make up every person who existed or will exist were not present when space and time were created?

Everything I have said has been proven by science.

You are the one who is insane if you don't believe these things.

Im am saying that the genesis account of the creation of heaven and earth is not and never was about God creating the universe 14 billion years ago, space and time, the solar system, the planet, or the first plants animals or humans.

The rebellion of Satan was rebellion against the will of God codified by Moses only a few thousand years ago.

Who told you that?

God.

How?

I've been to the top of the beanstalk and have in my possession the goose that lays the golden eggs.