Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?

[fncceo]

...what is a "Johnnie"?

 

[Billo_Really]

Maybe in England; but in Palestine, a Johnnie is...

Testimony 1 – Human Shield

People are called “Johnnie. They’re Palestinian civilians” in Gaza neighborhoods. In checking out houses, “we send the neighbor in, the ‘Johnnie,’ and if there are armed men inside, we (use) ‘pressure cooker’ procedures….to get them out alive….to catch the armed men.” When necessary, combat helicopters are called in to fire anti-tank missiles at civilian homes. Then send a “Johnnie” in to check for dead and wounded.

Human shields were also used to check for booby-traps and perform other services. “Sometimes the force would enter while placing rifle barrels on a civilian’s shoulder, advancing into the house and using him as a human shield. Commanders said these were the instructions and we had to do it.”​

 

[Andylusion]

They were throwing pipe bombs, and fire bombs across the border at military people, who were shooting back.

As far as I'm concerned that is a war zone. If not that, then a combat area, where people are shooting and trying to kill each other.

If you sub-humans are so stupid, as to take an infant or child, into that situation, then you have placed yourself at a lower moral level, than rodents.

As for knowing the truth.... absolutely EVERYONE knows more about the truth, than you have displayed here Trash Boy. Looks like just about everyone else on this thread agrees with me... but then, you are so loud and obnoxious, it doesn't look like even other snotty left-wingers are willing to support you much.

Can you throw a pipe bomb 300 feet? Can you throw a rock, from 300 feet away and still be 20 feet from the ground? Do you think you can be killed by an 8 month old baby from 300 feet away? Do you think your life is threatened by someone burning a tire? How about baking bread? Do you consider that life threatening? Or how about playing soccer? Does soccer justify a deadly response? Because that's who you fuckers shoot at.

“We recognize Israel’s security concerns, yet it is imperative that lethal force only be used as a last resort and when strictly unavoidable in order to protect life." - ICRC

"The blockade has devastated Gaza’s economy, caused widespread destruction and left most people largely cut off from the outside world." - OXFAM Int.

"the blockade on Gaza violates an array of basic human rights, including residents’ “right to life, health, education, food, water, standard of living and adequate housing.” - Euro-Med HRN

“The government of Israel contends that the closure of the Gaza Strip forms part of a policy of legitimate ‘economic warfare’ against the authorities in Gaza. International law is unequivocal however: the closure constitutes a form of collective punishment of the entire civilian population of Gaza and is in clear violation of international humanitarian law.” - Euro-Med HRN
​

What were you saying about support.................junior?

So.... Israel did allow free trade into Gaza, until Hamas was put in place, and started using that to import weapons and war making supplies. That includes things like cement, which Hamas used to make a network of tunnels, to go and kill Israelis with.

With all due respect, if Mexico was building tunnels to kidnap Americans with, we would do a heck of a lot more than simply blockading Mexico. Israel is being extremely lenient.

Your whining about how far you can throw a pipe bomb, is ridiculous.

I don't care if you are such a pathetic wimp, that you can't toss it 1 foot.

The fact you have a pipe bomb, makes you a terrorist.

Unless you think making pipe bombs, is just part of the Palestinian Cub Scouts, and they are just trying earn their patch.

Israeli forces kill two Palestinians near border as Gaza buries dead

"protesters were using hundreds of pipe bombs, grenades and fire-bombs. Militants had opened fire on Israeli troops and tried to set off explosives by the fence."

Peaceful protesting, the left-wing brain damaged way.

You do any of this, you deserve to die. You get what is due you.

You take a child into this, and you deserve what happens to you, or your child.

You make stupid choices, and you get stupid results, and no one but other stupid people like you, will care.

 

[fncceo]

Looks like the worst way to hurt Gaza is by blockading the import of cheap jeans.

 

[RoccoR]

Forums > Global Discussion > Israel and Palestine >

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

I can't possibly comment on one of Stephen Lendman's Hit'n'Run story that is a decade older at a minimum. He is a prolific writer with lots of energy. He probably cranks these out at a rate of three-or-four a week from interviews out of bars patronized by old veterans telling war stories. He has been to all the major hot-spots of interest around the world. He has even pumped-out a couple books. And on all around general knowledge, he would beat the pants off most everyone. But in this case, you are quoting material he wrote a decade ago.

Maybe in England; but in Palestine, a Johnnie is...

Testimony 1 – Human Shield

People are called “Johnnie. They’re Palestinian civilians” in Gaza neighborhoods. In checking out houses, “we send the neighbor in, the ‘Johnnie,’ and if there are armed men inside, we (use) ‘pressure cooker’ procedures….to get them out alive….to catch the armed men.” When necessary, combat helicopters are called in to fire anti-tank missiles at civilian homes. Then send a “Johnnie” in to check for dead and wounded.

Human shields were also used to check for booby-traps and perform other services. “Sometimes the force would enter while placing rifle barrels on a civilian’s shoulder, advancing into the house and using him as a human shield. Commanders said these were the instructions and we had to do it.”​

(COMMENT)

In my day, nearly a half-century ago, we called them Kit Carson Scouts. They were always out front, supplying reconnaissance and intelligence information at the quick. The point is that the use of such exploited locals can often refer pejoratively to the supply of information in real-time while on the move --- spotlighting signs of danger that would not otherwise be noticed. I think most militaries and special operators experimented using these resources as a type of tactical HUMINT asset, and sometimes only as a one-time source. It depends on who is using them. Each Service and organization has a different application and a different protocol. In the opening phases of such programs, there is plenty of opportunity for mistakes and misuse. BUT in the last fifty years, or more, have we ever seen a regime the use of resources as have we've seen with HAMAS and the March of Return?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

Maybe in England; but in Palestine, a Johnnie is...

Testimony 1 – Human Shield

People are called “Johnnie. They’re Palestinian civilians” in Gaza neighborhoods. In checking out houses, “we send the neighbor in, the ‘Johnnie,’ and if there are armed men inside, we (use) ‘pressure cooker’ procedures….to get them out alive….to catch the armed men.” When necessary, combat helicopters are called in to fire anti-tank missiles at civilian homes. Then send a “Johnnie” in to check for dead and wounded.

Human shields were also used to check for booby-traps and perform other services. “Sometimes the force would enter while placing rifle barrels on a civilian’s shoulder, advancing into the house and using him as a human shield. Commanders said these were the instructions and we had to do it.”​

You get garbage about the IDF and Israel from anti Israel sources.
No wonder your mind is completely gone.

Global Research is an anti Israel piece of garbage.

And so is Breaking the Silence, which does nothing but smear IDF soldiers in order to turn people's mind like yours into a teasy, which with you is the easiest thing to do.

Funded by anti Israel organizations and countries it provides "testimonies" which are not verifiable.
--------
The video focuses on the claim of a Breaking the Silence activist, Dean Issacharoff, who claimed at a protest rally that he was compelled by his commanding officer to tie up and beat a Palestinian prisoner while his soldiers watched. “I grabbed him by the neck and started to knee him in the face and chest until he was bleeding and unconscious,” Issacharoff claimed.

The soldiers in the video, who served with Issacharoff in the army, strenuously deny his version of events. A number of them are filmed looking directly into the camera and telling Issacharoff, “you’re a liar.” Another soldier asks, “Where do you come up with this stuff?”

“Your soldiers trusted you and you spat on them,” says another.

Watch the video below:



‘You’re a Liar,’ Israeli Soldiers Tell Breaking The Silence Activist in Hard-Hitting New Video

--------------------------------------------

You embrace anyone who lies about Jews and especially Israel.

Time for you to do some soul searching, ne pas?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Forums > Global Discussion > Israel and Palestine >

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

I can't possibly comment on one of Stephen Lendman's Hit'n'Run story that is a decade older at a minimum. He is a prolific writer with lots of energy. He probably cranks these out at a rate of three-or-four a week from interviews out of bars patronized by old veterans telling war stories. He has been to all the major hot-spots of interest around the world. He has even pumped-out a couple books. And on all around general knowledge, he would beat the pants off most everyone. But in this case, you are quoting material he wrote a decade ago.

Maybe in England; but in Palestine, a Johnnie is...

Testimony 1 – Human Shield

People are called “Johnnie. They’re Palestinian civilians” in Gaza neighborhoods. In checking out houses, “we send the neighbor in, the ‘Johnnie,’ and if there are armed men inside, we (use) ‘pressure cooker’ procedures….to get them out alive….to catch the armed men.” When necessary, combat helicopters are called in to fire anti-tank missiles at civilian homes. Then send a “Johnnie” in to check for dead and wounded.

Human shields were also used to check for booby-traps and perform other services. “Sometimes the force would enter while placing rifle barrels on a civilian’s shoulder, advancing into the house and using him as a human shield. Commanders said these were the instructions and we had to do it.”​

(COMMENT)

In my day, nearly a half-century ago, we called them Kit Carson Scouts. They were always out front, supplying reconnaissance and intelligence information at the quick. The point is that the use of such exploited locals can often refer pejoratively to the supply of information in real-time while on the move --- spotlighting signs of danger that would not otherwise be noticed. I think most militaries and special operators experimented using these resources as a type of tactical HUMINT asset, and sometimes only as a one-time source. It depends on who is using them. Each Service and organization has a different application and a different protocol. In the opening phases of such programs, there is plenty of opportunity for mistakes and misuse. BUT in the last fifty years, or more, have we ever seen a regime the use of resources as have we've seen with HAMAS and the March of Return?

Most Respectfully,
R

Maybe in England; but in Palestine, a Johnnie is...

Testimony 1 – Human Shield

People are called “Johnnie. They’re Palestinian civilians” in Gaza neighborhoods. In checking out houses, “we send the neighbor in, the ‘Johnnie,’ and if there are armed men inside, we (use) ‘pressure cooker’ procedures….to get them out alive….to catch the armed men.” When necessary, combat helicopters are called in to fire anti-tank missiles at civilian homes. Then send a “Johnnie” in to check for dead and wounded.

Human shields were also used to check for booby-traps and perform other services. “Sometimes the force would enter while placing rifle barrels on a civilian’s shoulder, advancing into the house and using him as a human shield. Commanders said these were the instructions and we had to do it.”​

[Why do you love people who lie about Israel so much?]

Anyone who understands the true nature of the extreme left-wing organizations operating in Israel is probably not surprised. For many years, B’Tselem has been extracting false testimonies from “innocent” Palestinians who claim they were tortured by Israeli security forces or IDF soldiers. B’Tselem has published these claims in academic journals and presented the data as organized research.

In practice, however, this amateurish work is carried out entirely by Palestinians who have no special training, and who are being paid by other Palestinians or pro-Palestinians. Most of the claims made by B’Tselem over the years have been found by courts to be unreliable, unsubstantiated, or just outright false.

The methods used by the two organizations are similar, except Breaking the Silence employs former Israeli soldiers to record testimonies from current and former soldiers. Both are pro-Palestinian organizations. Their funding comes from Palestinian sources, but Breaking the Silence receives support from Israeli left-wing sources as well.

Not surprisingly, Breaking the Silence focuses its fund-raising efforts on foreign governments, especially in Europe.

The organization’s promotional materials have been translated into a number of languages, and its representatives spend most of their time defaming Israel within government bodies and academic institutions across the sea, which is enough to raise suspicion about the organization’s true intentions.

After all, if Breaking the Silence really intended to carry out the mission it said it was working for, then it would be focusing its activities instead within Israel and engaging with the Israeli authorities. The fact that most of their activity takes place within foreign organizations proves that their main goal is to make defamatory statements against the State of Israel and to incite hatred and anti-Israeli sentiment until the occupation in the territories has come to an end.

The ironic part is that the Israel Defense Forces is probably the most moral military in the world. Now that it has become clear that Breaking the Silence and B’Tselem promote false testimonies based on lies and self-hatred, we see that there is no difference between the activity of these organizations and the incitement carried out by the Northern Branch of the Islamic Movement, which has already been declared illegal by Israel.

(full article online]

Breaking the Silence must be silenced

------------------

If possible, bringing the subject back to the topic of this thread..........

Yes.....Israel AND Egypt should take Gaza back. Then there will be a good future for all the people there.

Enough with the hate education they get on a daily basis. To most, all they want is a decent life to bring up their families, the way Arabs
are allowed to do in Israel .

Then NGO lying groups like the ones above will cease to exist.

 

[Billo_Really]

So.... Israel did allow free trade into Gaza, until Hamas was put in place, and started using that to import weapons and war making supplies. That includes things like cement, which Hamas used to make a network of tunnels, to go and kill Israelis with.

Why can't Hamas have weapons? Are you saying they have no right to defend themselves?

With all due respect, if Mexico was building tunnels to kidnap Americans with, we would do a heck of a lot more than simply blockading Mexico. Israel is being extremely lenient.

Would we blockade Mexico, because we didn't like who they elected as their President?

Your whining about how far you can throw a pipe bomb, is ridiculous.

No its not. You're claiming it is a threat. Life threatening. Can you throw a pipe bomb the length of a football field? Can you throw anything the length of a football field? The buffer Zone is 300 meters. That's 900 feet. If you think someone throwing a rock at you from that distance is a threat to your life, then you are either a fucking liar, or the biggest pussy on the planet.

I don't care if you are such a pathetic wimp, that you can't toss it 1 foot.

The fact you have a pipe bomb, makes you a terrorist.

Israel has a lot of bombs; in fact, they have THE BOMB, does that make them a terrorist?

Unless you think making pipe bombs, is just part of the Palestinian Cub Scouts, and they are just trying earn their patch.

I think whatever they choose to do on their own property, is none of Israels goddamn business!

Israeli forces kill two Palestinians near border as Gaza buries dead

"protesters were using hundreds of pipe bombs, grenades and fire-bombs. Militants had opened fire on Israeli troops and tried to set off explosives by the fence."

View attachment 195134

Peaceful protesting, the left-wing brain damaged way.

You do any of this, you deserve to die. You get what is due you.

You take a child into this, and you deserve what happens to you, or your child.

You make stupid choices, and you get stupid results, and no one but other stupid people like you, will care.

It might be stupid, but it is not illegal. What is illegal, is using deadly force on people who are no threat to your life. You cannot target people who take no part in hostilities. You cannot treat everyone in Gaza like no one is innocent.

 

[Sixties Fan]

So.... Israel did allow free trade into Gaza, until Hamas was put in place, and started using that to import weapons and war making supplies. That includes things like cement, which Hamas used to make a network of tunnels, to go and kill Israelis with.

Why can't Hamas have weapons? Are you saying they have no right to defend themselves?

With all due respect, if Mexico was building tunnels to kidnap Americans with, we would do a heck of a lot more than simply blockading Mexico. Israel is being extremely lenient.

Would we blockade Mexico, because we didn't like who they elected as their President?

Your whining about how far you can throw a pipe bomb, is ridiculous.

No its not. You're claiming it is a threat. Life threatening. Can you throw a pipe bomb the length of a football field? Can you throw anything the length of a football field? The buffer Zone is 300 meters. That's 900 feet. If you think someone throwing a rock at you from that distance is a threat to your life, then you are either a fucking liar, or the biggest pussy on the planet.

I don't care if you are such a pathetic wimp, that you can't toss it 1 foot.

The fact you have a pipe bomb, makes you a terrorist.

Israel has a lot of bombs; in fact, they have THE BOMB, does that make them a terrorist?

Unless you think making pipe bombs, is just part of the Palestinian Cub Scouts, and they are just trying earn their patch.

I think whatever they choose to do on their own property, is none of Israels goddamn business!

Israeli forces kill two Palestinians near border as Gaza buries dead

"protesters were using hundreds of pipe bombs, grenades and fire-bombs. Militants had opened fire on Israeli troops and tried to set off explosives by the fence."

View attachment 195134

Peaceful protesting, the left-wing brain damaged way.

You do any of this, you deserve to die. You get what is due you.

You take a child into this, and you deserve what happens to you, or your child.

You make stupid choices, and you get stupid results, and no one but other stupid people like you, will care.

It might be stupid, but it is not illegal. What is illegal, is using deadly force on people who are no threat to your life. You cannot target people who take no part in hostilities. You cannot treat everyone in Gaza like no one is innocent.

You make an absolutely WONDERFUL apologist for terrorists.

Ta, ta, ta, rah!!!!!

Ladies and gentlemen, one of the best defense lawyers for terrorists who enjoy killing Jews and have every intention of some day destroying Israel .

That is, if Israel is ever stupid enough to let them.

 

[Billo_Really]

Forums > Global Discussion > Israel and Palestine >

RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

I can't possibly comment on one of Stephen Lendman's Hit'n'Run story that is a decade older at a minimum. He is a prolific writer with lots of energy. He probably cranks these out at a rate of three-or-four a week from interviews out of bars patronized by old veterans telling war stories. He has been to all the major hot-spots of interest around the world. He has even pumped-out a couple books. And on all around general knowledge, he would beat the pants off most everyone. But in this case, you are quoting material he wrote a decade ago.

Maybe in England; but in Palestine, a Johnnie is...

Testimony 1 – Human Shield

People are called “Johnnie. They’re Palestinian civilians” in Gaza neighborhoods. In checking out houses, “we send the neighbor in, the ‘Johnnie,’ and if there are armed men inside, we (use) ‘pressure cooker’ procedures….to get them out alive….to catch the armed men.” When necessary, combat helicopters are called in to fire anti-tank missiles at civilian homes. Then send a “Johnnie” in to check for dead and wounded.

Human shields were also used to check for booby-traps and perform other services. “Sometimes the force would enter while placing rifle barrels on a civilian’s shoulder, advancing into the house and using him as a human shield. Commanders said these were the instructions and we had to do it.”​

(COMMENT)

In my day, nearly a half-century ago, we called them Kit Carson Scouts. They were always out front, supplying reconnaissance and intelligence information at the quick. The point is that the use of such exploited locals can often refer pejoratively to the supply of information in real-time while on the move --- spotlighting signs of danger that would not otherwise be noticed. I think most militaries and special operators experimented using these resources as a type of tactical HUMINT asset, and sometimes only as a one-time source. It depends on who is using them. Each Service and organization has a different application and a different protocol. In the opening phases of such programs, there is plenty of opportunity for mistakes and misuse. BUT in the last fifty years, or more, have we ever seen a regime the use of resources as have we've seen with HAMAS and the March of Return?

Most Respectfully,
R

These aren't old veterans, they're IDF soldiers who took part in Operation Cast Lead.

 

[Billo_Really]

You get garbage about the IDF and Israel from anti Israel sources.
No wonder your mind is completely gone.

Global Research is an anti Israel piece of garbage.

And so is Breaking the Silence, which does nothing but smear IDF soldiers in order to turn people's mind like yours into a teasy, which with you is the easiest thing to do.

Funded by anti Israel organizations and countries it provides "testimonies" which are not verifiable.
--------
The video focuses on the claim of a Breaking the Silence activist, Dean Issacharoff, who claimed at a protest rally that he was compelled by his commanding officer to tie up and beat a Palestinian prisoner while his soldiers watched. “I grabbed him by the neck and started to knee him in the face and chest until he was bleeding and unconscious,” Issacharoff claimed.

The soldiers in the video, who served with Issacharoff in the army, strenuously deny his version of events. A number of them are filmed looking directly into the camera and telling Issacharoff, “you’re a liar.” Another soldier asks, “Where do you come up with this stuff?”

“Your soldiers trusted you and you spat on them,” says another.

Watch the video below:



‘You’re a Liar,’ Israeli Soldiers Tell Breaking The Silence Activist in Hard-Hitting New Video

--------------------------------------------

You embrace anyone who lies about Jews and especially Israel.

Time for you to do some soul searching, ne pas?

Breaking the Silence are IDF soldiers. Are you saying the IDF is anti-Israel?

 

[Sixties Fan]

You get garbage about the IDF and Israel from anti Israel sources.
No wonder your mind is completely gone.

Global Research is an anti Israel piece of garbage.

And so is Breaking the Silence, which does nothing but smear IDF soldiers in order to turn people's mind like yours into a teasy, which with you is the easiest thing to do.

Funded by anti Israel organizations and countries it provides "testimonies" which are not verifiable.
--------
The video focuses on the claim of a Breaking the Silence activist, Dean Issacharoff, who claimed at a protest rally that he was compelled by his commanding officer to tie up and beat a Palestinian prisoner while his soldiers watched. “I grabbed him by the neck and started to knee him in the face and chest until he was bleeding and unconscious,” Issacharoff claimed.

The soldiers in the video, who served with Issacharoff in the army, strenuously deny his version of events. A number of them are filmed looking directly into the camera and telling Issacharoff, “you’re a liar.” Another soldier asks, “Where do you come up with this stuff?”

“Your soldiers trusted you and you spat on them,” says another.

Watch the video below:



‘You’re a Liar,’ Israeli Soldiers Tell Breaking The Silence Activist in Hard-Hitting New Video

--------------------------------------------

You embrace anyone who lies about Jews and especially Israel.

Time for you to do some soul searching, ne pas?

Breaking the Silence are IDF soldiers. Are you saying the IDF is anti-Israel?

Just like you, Breaking the Silence likes to lie about Israel :

Breaking the Silence Gets Failing Grade in Channel 10’s Fact-Check | CAMERA

 

[Billo_Really]

[Why do you love people who lie about Israel so much?]

Anyone who understands the true nature of the extreme left-wing organizations operating in Israel is probably not surprised. For many years, B’Tselem has been extracting false testimonies from “innocent” Palestinians who claim they were tortured by Israeli security forces or IDF soldiers. B’Tselem has published these claims in academic journals and presented the data as organized research.

In practice, however, this amateurish work is carried out entirely by Palestinians who have no special training, and who are being paid by other Palestinians or pro-Palestinians. Most of the claims made by B’Tselem over the years have been found by courts to be unreliable, unsubstantiated, or just outright false.

The methods used by the two organizations are similar, except Breaking the Silence employs former Israeli soldiers to record testimonies from current and former soldiers. Both are pro-Palestinian organizations. Their funding comes from Palestinian sources, but Breaking the Silence receives support from Israeli left-wing sources as well.

Not surprisingly, Breaking the Silence focuses its fund-raising efforts on foreign governments, especially in Europe.

The organization’s promotional materials have been translated into a number of languages, and its representatives spend most of their time defaming Israel within government bodies and academic institutions across the sea, which is enough to raise suspicion about the organization’s true intentions.

After all, if Breaking the Silence really intended to carry out the mission it said it was working for, then it would be focusing its activities instead within Israel and engaging with the Israeli authorities. The fact that most of their activity takes place within foreign organizations proves that their main goal is to make defamatory statements against the State of Israel and to incite hatred and anti-Israeli sentiment until the occupation in the territories has come to an end.

The ironic part is that the Israel Defense Forces is probably the most moral military in the world. Now that it has become clear that Breaking the Silence and B’Tselem promote false testimonies based on lies and self-hatred, we see that there is no difference between the activity of these organizations and the incitement carried out by the Northern Branch of the Islamic Movement, which has already been declared illegal by Israel.

(full article online]

Breaking the Silence must be silenced

------------------

If possible, bringing the subject back to the topic of this thread..........

Yes.....Israel AND Egypt should take Gaza back. Then there will be a good future for all the people there.

Enough with the hate education they get on a daily basis. To most, all they want is a decent life to bring up their families, the way Arabs
are allowed to do in Israel .

Then NGO lying groups like the ones above will cease to exist.

I don't have any reason to lie. You do.

Why is it so hard to believe Israel tortures Palestinians? You, yourself, defends the shooting of unarmed protesters.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You get garbage about the IDF and Israel from anti Israel sources.
No wonder your mind is completely gone.

Global Research is an anti Israel piece of garbage.

And so is Breaking the Silence, which does nothing but smear IDF soldiers in order to turn people's mind like yours into a teasy, which with you is the easiest thing to do.

Funded by anti Israel organizations and countries it provides "testimonies" which are not verifiable.
--------
The video focuses on the claim of a Breaking the Silence activist, Dean Issacharoff, who claimed at a protest rally that he was compelled by his commanding officer to tie up and beat a Palestinian prisoner while his soldiers watched. “I grabbed him by the neck and started to knee him in the face and chest until he was bleeding and unconscious,” Issacharoff claimed.

The soldiers in the video, who served with Issacharoff in the army, strenuously deny his version of events. A number of them are filmed looking directly into the camera and telling Issacharoff, “you’re a liar.” Another soldier asks, “Where do you come up with this stuff?”

“Your soldiers trusted you and you spat on them,” says another.

Watch the video below:



‘You’re a Liar,’ Israeli Soldiers Tell Breaking The Silence Activist in Hard-Hitting New Video

--------------------------------------------

You embrace anyone who lies about Jews and especially Israel.

Time for you to do some soul searching, ne pas?

Breaking the Silence are IDF soldiers. Are you saying the IDF is anti-Israel?

Some ex IDF soldiers "witnessing" does not the whole IDF make.
Especially when they are caught at lying quite a lot.

But you can try.

 

[Sixties Fan]

[Why do you love people who lie about Israel so much?]

Anyone who understands the true nature of the extreme left-wing organizations operating in Israel is probably not surprised. For many years, B’Tselem has been extracting false testimonies from “innocent” Palestinians who claim they were tortured by Israeli security forces or IDF soldiers. B’Tselem has published these claims in academic journals and presented the data as organized research.

In practice, however, this amateurish work is carried out entirely by Palestinians who have no special training, and who are being paid by other Palestinians or pro-Palestinians. Most of the claims made by B’Tselem over the years have been found by courts to be unreliable, unsubstantiated, or just outright false.

The methods used by the two organizations are similar, except Breaking the Silence employs former Israeli soldiers to record testimonies from current and former soldiers. Both are pro-Palestinian organizations. Their funding comes from Palestinian sources, but Breaking the Silence receives support from Israeli left-wing sources as well.

Not surprisingly, Breaking the Silence focuses its fund-raising efforts on foreign governments, especially in Europe.

The organization’s promotional materials have been translated into a number of languages, and its representatives spend most of their time defaming Israel within government bodies and academic institutions across the sea, which is enough to raise suspicion about the organization’s true intentions.

After all, if Breaking the Silence really intended to carry out the mission it said it was working for, then it would be focusing its activities instead within Israel and engaging with the Israeli authorities. The fact that most of their activity takes place within foreign organizations proves that their main goal is to make defamatory statements against the State of Israel and to incite hatred and anti-Israeli sentiment until the occupation in the territories has come to an end.

The ironic part is that the Israel Defense Forces is probably the most moral military in the world. Now that it has become clear that Breaking the Silence and B’Tselem promote false testimonies based on lies and self-hatred, we see that there is no difference between the activity of these organizations and the incitement carried out by the Northern Branch of the Islamic Movement, which has already been declared illegal by Israel.

(full article online]

Breaking the Silence must be silenced

------------------

If possible, bringing the subject back to the topic of this thread..........

Yes.....Israel AND Egypt should take Gaza back. Then there will be a good future for all the people there.

Enough with the hate education they get on a daily basis. To most, all they want is a decent life to bring up their families, the way Arabs
are allowed to do in Israel .

Then NGO lying groups like the ones above will cease to exist.

I don't have any reason to lie. You do.

Why is it so hard to believe Israel tortures Palestinians? You, yourself, defends the shooting of unarmed protesters.

You are sick.

 

[Billo_Really]

You make an absolutely WONDERFUL apologist for terrorists.

Ta, ta, ta, rah!!!!!

Ladies and gentlemen, one of the best defense lawyers for terrorists who enjoy killing Jews and have every intention of some day destroying Israel .

That is, if Israel is ever stupid enough to let them.

People resisting an occupational force, are not terrorists.

 

[Billo_Really]

Just like you, Breaking the Silence likes to lie about Israel :

Breaking the Silence Gets Failing Grade in Channel 10’s Fact-Check | CAMERA

How could an Israeli media outlet know who the soldiers were who testified, when the testimonies were anonymous? Who's that minister Ava Leigavor? He came out and said publicly, there are no innocents in Gaza. The Goldstone Report stated the IDF was shooting people holding up white flags.

This is nothing more than a grade school smear campaign on your part.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You make an absolutely WONDERFUL apologist for terrorists.

Ta, ta, ta, rah!!!!!

Ladies and gentlemen, one of the best defense lawyers for terrorists who enjoy killing Jews and have every intention of some day destroying Israel .

That is, if Israel is ever stupid enough to let them.

People resisting an occupational force, are not terrorists.

They are only resisting JEWS being sovereign on land once conquered by Muslims.

Otherwise, many of the Muslims in Israel and Judea and Samaria are just fine with the Jews having some of their ancient homeland back.
And very happy to get health care, jobs and education in Israel.

You have a mind occupied by hatred of Jews, exactly as so many other Christians and Muslims do.

Pray. Pray really hard to get rid of it.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Just like you, Breaking the Silence likes to lie about Israel :

Breaking the Silence Gets Failing Grade in Channel 10’s Fact-Check | CAMERA

How could an Israeli media outlet know who the soldiers were who testified, when the testimonies were anonymous? Who's that minister Ava Leigavor? He came out and said publicly, there are no innocents in Gaza. The Goldstone Report stated the IDF was shooting people holding up white flags.

This is nothing more than a grade school smear campaign on your part.

You continue to know nothing and care about nothing.

BDS somewhere else.

Israel will not cave in to lunatics like you.

 

[Billo_Really]

Some ex IDF soldiers "witnessing" does not the whole IDF make.
Especially when they are caught at lying quite a lot.

But you can try.

But they weren't caught, because they didn't lie.

If they were lying, why is it Israeli authorities will not allow an independent investigation of these events to see for themselves?