Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?

[Hollie]

Here's your problem Billo -- HAMAS uses it's citizens as martyrs and weapons.

When Palestinians Kill Palestinians, the World Snores

Hamas Is Accused of Using Gaza War as Cover to Torture and Kill Palestinians

Go argue with Amnesty Intl and the NY Times about whether Hamas is a valid leadership to negotiate with. There IS no Pali unity. It disappeared when Hamas went from welfare to warfare in about 2004. And caused the dissolution of the PA. Which is the trigger for this topic actually.

You can't GIVE a nation to a mob controlled by brutal thugs.

What dumbfuck wrote this article? And why would you post such a thing?

Hamas, with Iran’s on-going backing, took over control of Gaza from Fatah in 2007 after more than 600 Palestinians were killed in clashes between the two groups.​

Hamas won the elections in 2006. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority. Why would Hamas have to take control, by force, from the losers of the elections? They were the elected government in office.

Now that’s funny. “Elections” in the alternate reality of Islamic terrorist mini-caliphates means that a political party has a greater number of Islamic terrorists wearing ski masks roaming the streets, capable of fire superiority with larger caliber weapons and ammunition vs. the opposing Cleric.

Another stupid post. The Palestinian elections were judged free and fair by all international observers.

That is why the US and Israel hated them.

What makes elections more fair than islamic terrorist goon squads?

Where do you get all of these stupid posts?

There's no reason to get angry and emotive. Your inability to defend islamic terrorists is not helped by your silky tirades.

Looking forward to those islamic terrorist elections on Gaza'istan and Fatah'istan are ya'.

Maybe sometime this century perhaps?

Indeed!

 

[member]

Here's your problem Billo -- HAMAS uses it's citizens as martyrs and weapons.

When Palestinians Kill Palestinians, the World Snores

Hamas Is Accused of Using Gaza War as Cover to Torture and Kill Palestinians

Go argue with Amnesty Intl and the NY Times about whether Hamas is a valid leadership to negotiate with. There IS no Pali unity. It disappeared when Hamas went from welfare to warfare in about 2004. And caused the dissolution of the PA. Which is the trigger for this topic actually.

You can't GIVE a nation to a mob controlled by brutal thugs.

"Here's your problem Billo -- (other than having illegal mexicans mow his lawn while he watches from his bay window) -- HAMAS uses it's citizens as martyrs and weapons."


please, he knows. he's just being a ...comedian.

 

[flacaltenn]

Here's your problem Billo -- HAMAS uses it's citizens as martyrs and weapons.

When Palestinians Kill Palestinians, the World Snores

Hamas Is Accused of Using Gaza War as Cover to Torture and Kill Palestinians

Go argue with Amnesty Intl and the NY Times about whether Hamas is a valid leadership to negotiate with. There IS no Pali unity. It disappeared when Hamas went from welfare to warfare in about 2004. And caused the dissolution of the PA. Which is the trigger for this topic actually.

You can't GIVE a nation to a mob controlled by brutal thugs.

What dumbfuck wrote this article? And why would you post such a thing?

Hamas, with Iran’s on-going backing, took over control of Gaza from Fatah in 2007 after more than 600 Palestinians were killed in clashes between the two groups.​

Hamas won the elections in 2006. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority. Why would Hamas have to take control, by force, from the losers of the elections? They were the elected government in office.

That's the problem. Gaza wasn't given to PA controlled by a brutal group like Hamas. It was given to a PA that was ACTIVELY WORKING to provide Pali infrastructure and national unity. The Civil War ended any hopes of a unity govt. And you even ADMIT it's an Iranian Proxy -- NOT a bunch of diplomats and leaders with a goal of self-government under moderate leadership...

You calling the NY Times "dumbfucks"? Maybe you ought to look around for all the zealots that agree with you. Not many Palestinians are as conflict oriented as you are.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It is Israel's war zone. There was no war before Israel.

You have to learn history a little bit... please... just a little...

Where was the war before the creation of Israel?

Just everywere here.how many naitions rule this place anf fall to another?

Everybody came to attack Palestine. When did they go someplace and attack others?

Another post today where you are not making sense.

If you are talking about the "Palestinians", they are Arabs, they are Muslims.

Since the 7th century they went out of Arabia to conquer and populate all of what is now the Middle East and some of Europe.

Look at everywhere in the now called Middle East.

Majority Arabs everywhere.

Arabs are from Arabia
Copts are from Egypt
Kurds are from Mesopotamia
Assyrians are from Syria
Berbers are from Morocco.

And all of them have been forced by the invading Arabs to speak Arabic, just as the British colonies speak English.

The Camel Has Lost the Scent

With our spoiled weakling rulers, we'd be speaking Arabic too if Israel hadn't decoyed the jihad away from its primary goal.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here's your problem Billo -- HAMAS uses it's citizens as martyrs and weapons.

When Palestinians Kill Palestinians, the World Snores

Hamas Is Accused of Using Gaza War as Cover to Torture and Kill Palestinians

Go argue with Amnesty Intl and the NY Times about whether Hamas is a valid leadership to negotiate with. There IS no Pali unity. It disappeared when Hamas went from welfare to warfare in about 2004. And caused the dissolution of the PA. Which is the trigger for this topic actually.

You can't GIVE a nation to a mob controlled by brutal thugs.

What dumbfuck wrote this article? And why would you post such a thing?

Hamas, with Iran’s on-going backing, took over control of Gaza from Fatah in 2007 after more than 600 Palestinians were killed in clashes between the two groups.​

Hamas won the elections in 2006. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority. Why would Hamas have to take control, by force, from the losers of the elections? They were the elected government in office.

That's the problem. Gaza wasn't given to PA controlled by a brutal group like Hamas. It was given to a PA that was ACTIVELY WORKING to provide Pali infrastructure and national unity. The Civil War ended any hopes of a unity govt. And you even ADMIT it's an Iranian Proxy -- NOT a bunch of diplomats and leaders with a goal of self-government under moderate leadership...

You calling the NY Times "dumbfucks"? Maybe you ought to look around for all the zealots that agree with you. Not many Palestinians are as conflict oriented as you are.

You did not understand my post. There was no civil war.

 

[Hollie]

Here's your problem Billo -- HAMAS uses it's citizens as martyrs and weapons.

When Palestinians Kill Palestinians, the World Snores

Hamas Is Accused of Using Gaza War as Cover to Torture and Kill Palestinians

Go argue with Amnesty Intl and the NY Times about whether Hamas is a valid leadership to negotiate with. There IS no Pali unity. It disappeared when Hamas went from welfare to warfare in about 2004. And caused the dissolution of the PA. Which is the trigger for this topic actually.

You can't GIVE a nation to a mob controlled by brutal thugs.

What dumbfuck wrote this article? And why would you post such a thing?

Hamas, with Iran’s on-going backing, took over control of Gaza from Fatah in 2007 after more than 600 Palestinians were killed in clashes between the two groups.​

Hamas won the elections in 2006. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority. Why would Hamas have to take control, by force, from the losers of the elections? They were the elected government in office.

That's the problem. Gaza wasn't given to PA controlled by a brutal group like Hamas. It was given to a PA that was ACTIVELY WORKING to provide Pali infrastructure and national unity. The Civil War ended any hopes of a unity govt. And you even ADMIT it's an Iranian Proxy -- NOT a bunch of diplomats and leaders with a goal of self-government under moderate leadership...

You calling the NY Times "dumbfucks"? Maybe you ought to look around for all the zealots that agree with you. Not many Palestinians are as conflict oriented as you are.

You did not understand my post. There was no civil war.

Hamas vs. Fatah: The Palestinian Civil War | Foundation for Defense of Democracies

 

[flacaltenn]

Here's your problem Billo -- HAMAS uses it's citizens as martyrs and weapons.

When Palestinians Kill Palestinians, the World Snores

Hamas Is Accused of Using Gaza War as Cover to Torture and Kill Palestinians

Go argue with Amnesty Intl and the NY Times about whether Hamas is a valid leadership to negotiate with. There IS no Pali unity. It disappeared when Hamas went from welfare to warfare in about 2004. And caused the dissolution of the PA. Which is the trigger for this topic actually.

You can't GIVE a nation to a mob controlled by brutal thugs.

What dumbfuck wrote this article? And why would you post such a thing?

Hamas, with Iran’s on-going backing, took over control of Gaza from Fatah in 2007 after more than 600 Palestinians were killed in clashes between the two groups.​

Hamas won the elections in 2006. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority. Why would Hamas have to take control, by force, from the losers of the elections? They were the elected government in office.

That's the problem. Gaza wasn't given to PA controlled by a brutal group like Hamas. It was given to a PA that was ACTIVELY WORKING to provide Pali infrastructure and national unity. The Civil War ended any hopes of a unity govt. And you even ADMIT it's an Iranian Proxy -- NOT a bunch of diplomats and leaders with a goal of self-government under moderate leadership...

You calling the NY Times "dumbfucks"? Maybe you ought to look around for all the zealots that agree with you. Not many Palestinians are as conflict oriented as you are.

You did not understand my post. There was no civil war.

You live in a very dark world of denial. Which is why you're of absolutely NO HELP to the Palestinian cause. It's a kind a brain-dead that only years of propagandizing yourself can cause. OF COURSE there was a Civil War between Hamas -- Fatah for control of the PA and Gaza.

Fatah–Hamas conflict - Wikipedia

The Fatah–Hamas conflict‎ an-Nizāʿ bayna Fataḥ wa-Ḥamās), also referred to as the Palestinian Civil War ( al-Ḥarb al-ʾAhliyyah al-Filisṭīnīyyah), was a conflict between the two main Palestinian political parties, Fatah and Hamas, resulting in the split of the Palestinian Authority in 2007. The reconciliation process and unification of Hamas and Fatah administrations has not finalized as of May 2018.

Even the ElectronicIntifada is not as deluded as you have made yourself.

Do America and Israel want the Middle East engulfed by civil war?
Jonathan Cook The Electronic Intifada 19 December 2006

Can't deal with your insane fantasies about Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here's your problem Billo -- HAMAS uses it's citizens as martyrs and weapons.

When Palestinians Kill Palestinians, the World Snores

Hamas Is Accused of Using Gaza War as Cover to Torture and Kill Palestinians

Go argue with Amnesty Intl and the NY Times about whether Hamas is a valid leadership to negotiate with. There IS no Pali unity. It disappeared when Hamas went from welfare to warfare in about 2004. And caused the dissolution of the PA. Which is the trigger for this topic actually.

You can't GIVE a nation to a mob controlled by brutal thugs.

What dumbfuck wrote this article? And why would you post such a thing?

Hamas, with Iran’s on-going backing, took over control of Gaza from Fatah in 2007 after more than 600 Palestinians were killed in clashes between the two groups.​

Hamas won the elections in 2006. They were the majority party in the Palestinian Authority. Why would Hamas have to take control, by force, from the losers of the elections? They were the elected government in office.

That's the problem. Gaza wasn't given to PA controlled by a brutal group like Hamas. It was given to a PA that was ACTIVELY WORKING to provide Pali infrastructure and national unity. The Civil War ended any hopes of a unity govt. And you even ADMIT it's an Iranian Proxy -- NOT a bunch of diplomats and leaders with a goal of self-government under moderate leadership...

You calling the NY Times "dumbfucks"? Maybe you ought to look around for all the zealots that agree with you. Not many Palestinians are as conflict oriented as you are.

You did not understand my post. There was no civil war.

You live in a very dark world of denial. Which is why you're of absolutely NO HELP to the Palestinian cause. It's a kind a brain-dead that only years of propagandizing yourself can cause. OF COURSE there was a Civil War between Hamas -- Fatah for control of the PA and Gaza.

Fatah–Hamas conflict - Wikipedia

The Fatah–Hamas conflict‎ an-Nizāʿ bayna Fataḥ wa-Ḥamās), also referred to as the Palestinian Civil War ( al-Ḥarb al-ʾAhliyyah al-Filisṭīnīyyah), was a conflict between the two main Palestinian political parties, Fatah and Hamas, resulting in the split of the Palestinian Authority in 2007. The reconciliation process and unification of Hamas and Fatah administrations has not finalized as of May 2018.

Even the ElectronicIntifada is not as deluded as you have made yourself.

Do America and Israel want the Middle East engulfed by civil war?
Jonathan Cook The Electronic Intifada 19 December 2006

Can't deal with your insane fantasies about Palestine.

I am sorry about your lack of knowledge in this area. Surely you have been misinformed. In the Electronic Intifada article in your link:

All of these outcomes in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq could have been foreseen — and almost certainly were. More than that, it looks increasingly like the growing tensions and carnage were planned. Rather than an absence of Western intervention being the problem, the violence and fragmentation of these societies seems to be precisely the goal of the intervention.​

The article talked about all of the so called civil wars and how they were fueled by foreign intervention. The so called civil war in Palestine started with the demands in Oslo and that is the sticking point in reunification that remains today.

BTW, you ducked my question.

 

[Billo_Really]

They would not know how to find water if their lives depended on it.
They turned their water into undrinkable one, and only have Hamas to blame for it.

Sure, Israel.....the Startup Nation, needs to "steal" from the Arab Palestinians.

This is what Israel does without stealing anything, and giving more than it needs to:

The secret of Israel's water miracle and how it can help a thirsty world

How Israel Is Solving the Global Water Crisis



which is the opposite of what Gaza and the PA do.

They have undrinkable water because you bombed their water treatment plant. Another war crime. You cannot target civilian infrastructure.

 

[Billo_Really]

Because Hamas is USING them for propaganda. What other reason is there to face down an army with mob action at a border?

They're not "facing down" an army; they're protesting the 12 year blockade that is making their daily life a living hell.

Why aren't they negotiating? Why isn't there a Pali Leadership to counsel with? WTF do they expect to happen?

For Israel to obey international law and end the blockade and occupation.

NO one gives a nation to a mob. It just never happens in this day and age. WHO should Israel negotiate with?

There is nothing to negotiate. Israel just needs to stop the slaughter of innocent lives. Stop committing crimes against humanity. Stop acting like the Nazis in the 1930's.

The Hamas that announces public executions without trial and is listed by Intl Relief Agencies as a brutal regime?

That's pretty brutal. No one is saying Hamas is not without sin. But that is an internal problem. As an American, I'm not really in to theological regimes. In this country, we separate church from state; for good reason.

Bunch of questions there Billo. Think you can handle that?

Maybe? What's it pay?

 

[Billo_Really]

 

[Hollie]

So, basically, you’re acknowledging that you’re a helpless misfit who is unable to cope in the modern age so you need a scapegoat.

 

[Billo_Really]

So, basically, you’re acknowledging that you’re a helpless misfit who is unable to cope in the modern age so you need a scapegoat.

Oh, shut-up!

 

[Hollie]

So, basically, you’re acknowledging that you’re a helpless misfit who is unable to cope in the modern age so you need a scapegoat.

Oh, shut-up!

Why not just be honest with yourself and take steps to fix your faults.

 

[Shusha]

You've reversed cause and effect.

 

[Hollie]

You've reversed cause and effect.

He's missed the analogy altogether.

First, we need to understand the social and political dynamics which caused Hitler’s rise to power. Following Germany’s humiliation at the end of WWI, caused in part by Allied insistence that a percentage of the land area of the German empire be annexed to various countries, and its humiliating concessions to the Allies, Germany was on the verge of collapse. It’s not difficult to envision an outspoken individual garnering recognition. It was certainly easier to blame the "verming Juden" for Germany's problems than it is the overall failed political maneuvering of a lame duck Republic that is chastised by having lost a war of imperialism? We’re basically examining an eccentric use of power and greed under the veil of both Democracy and religion. A hapless nation had suffered 10 years of runaway inflation and political isolation. A charismatic leader told the people what they wanted to hear, ie: the glory of the Fatherland, Arian supremacy, etc., etc.

It shouldn’t be missed by anyone that there are several striking parallels between Germany during the 1930’s and the Middle East currently which we should take notice of.

 

[RoccoR]

ell RE: Is it time for Israel to re-take Gaza?
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

Is that what the law says? Or is that your interpretation of what the Law says?

I'm wondering if you actually read either the rules or statues.

They have undrinkable water because you bombed their water treatment plant. Another war crime. You cannot target civilian infrastructure.

(COMMENT)

•• ICRC IHL Database, Customary and International Humanitarian Law (IHL) ••

• Rule 10. Civilian objects are protected against attack, unless and for such time as they are military objectives.
• ICC Rome Statutes, Article 8(2)(b)(ii); see also Article 8(2)(b)(ix) and (e)(iv) (concerning attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected) and Article 8(2)(b)(v) (concerning attacks against towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended).​

This is NOT something new. This is a well know and well established practice; employed for more than a decade.

Hamas is increasingly using sensitive civilian facilities in Gaza to protect its military assets from being targeted by Israel, ahead of a further round of conflict. It is also digging dozens of “terror tunnels” into Israel, The Times of Israel has learned.

Gaza’s Islamist rulers have been placing rocket launching pads next to water reservoirs, and attaching reconnaissance cameras to mosque minarets and water towers, The Times of Israel was told, in a bid to avoid IAF airstrikes during an upcoming round of confrontation.

Read the rule and then collect your data. We know that the Arab Palestinians always cheer for their side. BUT, that doesn't make it true.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[flacaltenn]

For Israel to obey international law and end the blockade and occupation.

Hamas is a brutal regime. Amnesty Intl and the NY Times says that. They don't obey Intl law which is a large part of the reason for the embargo. They want to end the embargo? Form a govt again. Elect credible representation. Hamas is not credible representation. Ask most any Arab neighbor country. It's not just the US and Israel that take that position. Being an Iran Proxy -- they are a DIRECT threat to stability in the Levant.

There is nothing to negotiate. Israel just needs to stop the slaughter of innocent lives. Stop committing crimes against humanity. Stop acting like the Nazis in the 1930's.

A city state, which is what Gaza is WITHOUT a unified Palestine, under Hamas will never adhere to the norms and international law. And it will continue to DEFEAT the creation of Palestine. It's not a good plan if anyone EXPECTS a real Palestinian nation..

 

[Coyote]

For Israel to obey international law and end the blockade and occupation.

Hamas is a brutal regime. Amnesty Intl and the NY Times says that. They don't obey Intl law which is a large part of the reason for the embargo. They want to end the embargo? Form a govt again. Elect credible representation. Hamas is not credible representation. Ask most any Arab neighbor country. It's not just the US and Israel that take that position. Being an Iran Proxy -- they are a DIRECT threat to stability in the Levant.

There is nothing to negotiate. Israel just needs to stop the slaughter of innocent lives. Stop committing crimes against humanity. Stop acting like the Nazis in the 1930's.

A city state, which is what Gaza is WITHOUT a unified Palestine, under Hamas will never adhere to the norms and international law. And it will continue to DEFEAT the creation of Palestine. It's not a good plan if anyone EXPECTS a real Palestinian nation..

Flac...why couldn’t a city state be a solution? It is an intriguing concept discussed here...The Palestinian Emirates "Solution"

 

[flacaltenn]

For Israel to obey international law and end the blockade and occupation.

Hamas is a brutal regime. Amnesty Intl and the NY Times says that. They don't obey Intl law which is a large part of the reason for the embargo. They want to end the embargo? Form a govt again. Elect credible representation. Hamas is not credible representation. Ask most any Arab neighbor country. It's not just the US and Israel that take that position. Being an Iran Proxy -- they are a DIRECT threat to stability in the Levant.

There is nothing to negotiate. Israel just needs to stop the slaughter of innocent lives. Stop committing crimes against humanity. Stop acting like the Nazis in the 1930's.

A city state, which is what Gaza is WITHOUT a unified Palestine, under Hamas will never adhere to the norms and international law. And it will continue to DEFEAT the creation of Palestine. It's not a good plan if anyone EXPECTS a real Palestinian nation..

Flac...why couldn’t a city state be a solution? It is an intriguing concept discussed here...The Palestinian Emirates "Solution"

I actually LIKE the concept of a loose confederation of City States for Pali autonomy. Let them all self-govern under different levels of tolerance and govt. But the idea has slammed by "purists" as establishing a chain of ghettos surrounded by Israel. There would still have to be leadership to negotiate trade/travel corridors and liberal boundaries of open space around these cities.

I've read a lot about the different character of many WB cities. Some are quite secular. Others not no much. You could connect them with a SuperHiway with limited access to Israel proper. There's a lot of "DESIGN" that should be used as a carrot to get closer to Pali autonomy. Those "city-states" could be on a trade route that connects the entire Levant to the Arabian Peninsula and beyond.