Is it Still to Early in Our Evolution....?

[Carla_Danger]

what is the fee structure?

From what I know most take donations and encourage 10%, but like any other business, individual models within the Worship Industry vary, but the bottom line is the industry supports individual players who can afford some pretty nice property:

Besides... Because it's 'America', if we want to tax the Muslims, (and what red-blooded American Mutt isn't in favor of taxing those fuckers?) if we want to tax those fuckers we can't exactly not tax the Christians. Because it's 'America'... Damn, this is a TOUGH one.

Scandals and Criticism

• In 1986, The United Way of Cleveland, Ohio, held an event called Balloonfest '86, setting a world record by releasing one and a half million balloons. Unfortunately, the event had disastrous consequences, wreaking havoc at Burke Lakefront Airport, and Lake Erie, causing injury to animals and contributing to the deaths of two fishermen.

• William Aramony, CEO of the national organization for over 20 years, retired in 1992 amid allegations of fraud and financial mismanagement, for which he was subsequently convicted and sentenced to prison.

• Ralph Dickerson Jr., a former CEO of United Way of New York City, was found to have used United Way funds for personal expenses during 2002 and 2003. He later returned the money.

• Oral Suer, CEO of the Washington, D.C. chapter, was convicted of misuse of donations in 2004. Norman O. Taylor, Oral Suer's replacement, was never charged with misconduct but was forced to resign.

 

[sealybobo]

How much Joe? 100%? Then they couldn't buy any property. How dare them buy property anyway. They also wouldn't be able to run food banks, coats for kids, help the indigent pay their bills, set up clothes closets, visit prisons, run schools that actually teach children to read and oh God forbid, write. Help adopting parents with children the gov. wasn't able to rid us of on the abortion clinic table, run the mothers in need clinic, etc.

Do you really think we need our government screw ups determining the extent of the charity of our churches? God expects prosperity for His followers, and provides it. What makes you think you deserve any part of it? And if you remove the separation of church and state, aren't you worried it might show up in your secular self serving school rooms? And in your godless home?

How many coats have YOU handed out to needy children so far this fall Joe? Maybe you should be thankful there is an "industry" that picks up your slack so you can sit on your ass and complain about them being too successful, and figuring out how you can get some even though you deserve none. Have you at least bought some poor child a pair of shoes this year?

Maybe you should leave well enough alone and let the churches do what most others can't be bothered with...

They are using roads, paid for by tax payers, police services, and the fire department....all paid for by tax payers.

And if they can build this...

Fly around in one of these...

Purchase these

And rob people blind, so you can negotiate multi-million dollar deals in a diamond mining contract with dictators, and instead of delivering supplies to the refugees, use the planes for hauling diamond mining equipment to your home, YOU SHOULD PAY TAXES!

AND IF YOU REFUSE TO PAY TAXES, NEXT TIME YOUR CHURCH CATCHES FIRE, YOU SHOULD PRAY FOR RAIN!

Churches don't use roads. People use roads, and the people that contribute to their church, also pay taxes to use those roads, and for firemen to put out fires. If a policeman has to go to the address where a church is standing because of a crime, I'll bet the church isn't the one committing the crime.

Not one person has gone blind due to tithing or giving.

Diamond mining, horse racing, and jet setting are not the norm. Buying a child mittens and boots is.

Don't want us in schools, in public, or in private, then don't want our money either....

You guys are funny. On one hand you argue that corporations are people and now you're saying churches aren't?

I suppose you want us to explain the obvious differences between corporations and churches? You might want to start with the first amendment and go from there

No that's ok. You missed the point.

I'm sure if an issue comes up in the future where it benefits a church to have the rights of people or personhood, you'll say they should.

I said it because someone said a church is not a person. I just think its funny they realize a church isn't a person but they think a corporation is because it is made up of people. So is a church.

 

[sealybobo]

what is the fee structure?

From what I know most take donations and encourage 10%, but like any other business, individual models within the Worship Industry vary, but the bottom line is the industry supports individual players who can afford some pretty nice property:

Besides... Because it's 'America', if we want to tax the Muslims, (and what red-blooded American Mutt isn't in favor of taxing those fuckers?) if we want to tax those fuckers we can't exactly not tax the Christians. Because it's 'America'... Damn, this is a TOUGH one.

Scandals and Criticism

• In 1986, The United Way of Cleveland, Ohio, held an event called Balloonfest '86, setting a world record by releasing one and a half million balloons. Unfortunately, the event had disastrous consequences, wreaking havoc at Burke Lakefront Airport, and Lake Erie, causing injury to animals and contributing to the deaths of two fishermen.

• William Aramony, CEO of the national organization for over 20 years, retired in 1992 amid allegations of fraud and financial mismanagement, for which he was subsequently convicted and sentenced to prison.

• Ralph Dickerson Jr., a former CEO of United Way of New York City, was found to have used United Way funds for personal expenses during 2002 and 2003. He later returned the money.

• Oral Suer, CEO of the Washington, D.C. chapter, was convicted of misuse of donations in 2004. Norman O. Taylor, Oral Suer's replacement, was never charged with misconduct but was forced to resign.

Don't forget Adrian Peterson

Adrian Peterson 8217 s foundation denies newspaper 8217 s claims ProFootballTalk

 

[AVG-JOE]

How much Joe? 100%? Then they couldn't buy any property. How dare them buy property anyway. They also wouldn't be able to run food banks, coats for kids, help the indigent pay their bills, set up clothes closets, visit prisons, run schools that actually teach children to read and oh God forbid, write. Help adopting parents with children the gov. wasn't able to rid us of on the abortion clinic table, run the mothers in need clinic, etc.

Do you really think we need our government screw ups determining the extent of the charity of our churches? God expects prosperity for His followers, and provides it. What makes you think you deserve any part of it? And if you remove the separation of church and state, aren't you worried it might show up in your secular self serving school rooms? And in your godless home?

How many coats have YOU handed out to needy children so far this fall Joe? Maybe you should be thankful there is an "industry" that picks up your slack so you can sit on your ass and complain about them being too successful, and figuring out how you can get some even though you deserve none. Have you at least bought some poor child a pair of shoes this year?

Maybe you should leave well enough alone and let the churches do what most others can't be bothered with...

100% would be just as unfair as 0%. Extremism, in all its forms, is a political cancer.

Tax law should be applied fairly. There should be ZERO interests out there that the government considers "special". It's not fair to the rest of us.

 

[Rikurzhen]

How much Joe? 100%? Then they couldn't buy any property. How dare them buy property anyway. They also wouldn't be able to run food banks, coats for kids, help the indigent pay their bills, set up clothes closets, visit prisons, run schools that actually teach children to read and oh God forbid, write. Help adopting parents with children the gov. wasn't able to rid us of on the abortion clinic table, run the mothers in need clinic, etc.

Do you really think we need our government screw ups determining the extent of the charity of our churches? God expects prosperity for His followers, and provides it. What makes you think you deserve any part of it? And if you remove the separation of church and state, aren't you worried it might show up in your secular self serving school rooms? And in your godless home?

How many coats have YOU handed out to needy children so far this fall Joe? Maybe you should be thankful there is an "industry" that picks up your slack so you can sit on your ass and complain about them being too successful, and figuring out how you can get some even though you deserve none. Have you at least bought some poor child a pair of shoes this year?

Maybe you should leave well enough alone and let the churches do what most others can't be bothered with...

100% would be just as unfair as 0%. Extremism, in all its forms is a political cancer.

Tax law should be applied fairly. There should be ZERO interests out there that the government considers "special". It's not fair to the rest of us.

You mean like the home mortgage interest deduction or the personal exemption on your income taxes should also be wiped out?

 

[AVG-JOE]

Yes.

Fair and simple taxes, public budgets that are balanced by law, and transparency in spending. Then, build an economy that your kids can drive to the stars.

Still not rocket science, y'all.

 

[DriftingSand]

Is it still to early in our Evolution to ask the worship industry to start paying taxes?

I would say that paying excessive taxes was the beginning of man's de-evolution in a sense. Look around. When America was at her peak she was most closely associated with the tenets of Christianity. Now that she has accepted Marxism she's becoming morally bankrupt, burdened by HIGHER taxes (including folks who worship), and embarrassed by her waning power. The less moral we become the less great we become while carrying a greater burden -- that debt that future generations will have to pull around like a ball and chain.

 

[DriftingSand]

Yes.

Fair and simple taxes, public budgets that are balanced by law, and transparency in spending. Then, build an economy that your kids can drive to the stars.

Still not rocket science, y'all.

And yet the Messiah in Chief doesn't seem to grasp your simple solution. Tax and spend and tax and spend and tax and spend, ad infinitum.

 

[AVG-JOE]

WYGD?

 

[DriftingSand]

Most Churches I've been associated with have been givers and help folks in need. The Salvation Army is a member of "the worship industry" but helps millions and millions of folks find a place to sleep; get the professional help they need to overcome addictions; feeds the hungry; etc. Habitat For Humanity is part of "the worship industry" yet they help folks all around the world by building homes for the homeless. Here in my local are is the Denver Rescue Mission. It's a non-profit partner in "the worship industry" that feeds thousands of hungry folks; hands out clothing; and provides shelter for the homeless.

Take 1/3 of these "industries'" incomes and how many folks will go hungry or sleep on the street? And, conversely, to what degree will Congress increase its own income? Or how much of that tax revenue will go towards bailing out huge scam artists on Wall Street? Or how much money will Obama give to some women's group in Pakistan? Well ... you get the idea.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Then there's the televangelists and the gold-capped monuments to man's first love... greed.

WYGD? ​

 

[sealybobo]

How much Joe? 100%? Then they couldn't buy any property. How dare them buy property anyway. They also wouldn't be able to run food banks, coats for kids, help the indigent pay their bills, set up clothes closets, visit prisons, run schools that actually teach children to read and oh God forbid, write. Help adopting parents with children the gov. wasn't able to rid us of on the abortion clinic table, run the mothers in need clinic, etc.

Do you really think we need our government screw ups determining the extent of the charity of our churches? God expects prosperity for His followers, and provides it. What makes you think you deserve any part of it? And if you remove the separation of church and state, aren't you worried it might show up in your secular self serving school rooms? And in your godless home?

How many coats have YOU handed out to needy children so far this fall Joe? Maybe you should be thankful there is an "industry" that picks up your slack so you can sit on your ass and complain about them being too successful, and figuring out how you can get some even though you deserve none. Have you at least bought some poor child a pair of shoes this year?

Maybe you should leave well enough alone and let the churches do what most others can't be bothered with...

100% would be just as unfair as 0%. Extremism, in all its forms, is a political cancer.

Tax law should be applied fairly. There should be ZERO interests out there that the government considers "special". It's not fair to the rest of us.

Well we give special tax breaks to charitable donations to encourage people to give.

But I can tell you from experience, and you don't need personal experience to know this, but I can tell you that Foundations are a scam. They are a way for a business owner to get huge tax write offs and write him or herself a paycheck for running these foundations. That's who charity helps, the people running the charities/non profits/not for profits/foundations.

Not 100% of the time, but too much. Not enough goes to the people who the charity is supposedly trying to help. Charities need to be regulated/monitored and you have to meet certain standards to be one, I think.

Or you can be one but you won't get the tax breaks. Meet the standards of a "charity".

 

[Pop23]

Is it still to early in our Evolution to ask the worship industry to start paying taxes?

De-evolving today are we?

 

[sealybobo]

Yes.

Fair and simple taxes, public budgets that are balanced by law, and transparency in spending. Then, build an economy that your kids can drive to the stars.

Still not rocket science, y'all.

I agree but just pay attention that the GOP aint cutting any debt down if/when they get into power. They cry about debt but spend more when they're in charge. Watch.

But instead of spending on things we all need like infrastructure, they'll spend it on defense. And the debt will double under their watch, just like it did under Bush and Reagan. And your taxes, cost of living, fees, etc will go up.

If they give the rich and corporations tax breaks, that means the tax burden is shifted to you and I. Gov. Snyder is already doing it in Michigan. Gave his rich buddies huge tax breaks and cut spending everywhere. Now infrastructure needs updating and who's he gonna get the money from now that we don't have that tax $ anymore because he gave it to his boys? You and me sucker.