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I don't give a shit about your invalid views on Christianity. The reality is that Islam is a scourge; a murderous scourge upon humanity. It always has been and always will be. Meanwhile, no Christian nation is an off limits nation for a law abiding citizen. Only goons like you even pretend there's a comparison.
I don't give a shit about your invalid views on Christianity. The reality is that Islam is a scourge; a murderous scourge upon humanity. It always has been and always will be. Meanwhile, no Christian nation is an off limits nation for a law abiding citizen. Only goons like you even pretend there's a comparison.
No WESTERN nation is "off limits", the problem is you consider "Western" and "Christian" to be the same thing.
Christian nations have produced some awful dictators- Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Marcos, Pinochet.
Actually, there is no comparison. Christianity gave us world wars, genocide of the Native Americans and the Slave trade. Just because we have a nice comfy society now does not excuse what it took to get there.
The dictators you mention are not products of Christianity. They're products of liberalism. Nice try, bud. They weren't preaching to kill in the name of Jesus; nothing close to that.
The dictators you mention are not products of Christianity. They're products of liberalism. Nice try, bud. They weren't preaching to kill in the name of Jesus; nothing close to that.
Ah, the No True Scotsman Fallacy. That one never gets old.
You're full of it. ISIS is full blown based upon the evil teachings of the Koran.
Hitler wasn't rallying people behind the Bible.
You've created a completely false equivalency. And frankly, you do that all the time when it comes to Christianity vs. Islam. The only difference is that you're not usually this blatant in your false equivalency.
I'm telling you exactly what you need to read to become knowledgeable about Islam. It's the same shit shaikhs have to read. It's the same shit mullahs read for their education. You can declare yourself knowledgeable without bothering to read the bare basics of the faith, but the claim quite frankly doesn't mean shit if you have nothing to back it up but baseless platitudes and Muslim Brotherhood approved talking points. You might as well be one of the crazy right wingers that thinks he can read the worst excerpts of the Qur'an on a website and call himself a scholar of the faith. The attitude expressed above is really just the other side of the coin anyway. It tells me you don't really give a shit what the real reasons are, you have the talking points that were given to you and that's good enough for you.Being a Scotsman is a question of nationality. It has nothing to do with adherence to a set of ideas. You can be a haggis hating, union loving Scotsman and still be... well, a Scotsman. Islam is a set of ideas. To be a practicing Muslim is to adhere the idea set of Islam. If you don't adhere to this idea set, then you're simply not a Muslim. You might call yourself one. You might adhere to parts of Islam for cultural reasons. But the label just isn't really applicable to someone who doesn't observe the religion. So yeah. Cultural Muslims who've never read the entire Qur'an, drink alcohol, and rarely if ever pray are about as Muslim as a self-described Christian who thinks Jesus was a nice guy at best and there isn't actually a god is Christian.Most Muslims are about as practicing as most Christians. You can't really go off what the cultural "believers" who ignore all the inconvenient rules and just go to masjid on special occasions say about what Islam is actually about any more than you can go off Christmas-and-Easter Christians' explanations of Christian theology. You're obviously not going to accept what the ones dedicating their entire lives and deaths to it, such as IS, say it's about. All that's really left is to read what the Qur'an itself has to say about what Islam is supposed to be.
I think you are fluttering into "No True Scotsman" Territory here, dude.
I would recommend the ahadith too, but you might not want to delve into that until you have enough Islamic knowledge to make sense of the chains of narration and get a good sense of the probability of authenticity each has. I would also suggest you look up who started our first overseas war and why. Their diplomat's comments to Thomas Jefferson justifying the cause are particularly interesting. A couple other interesting historical events you should know about, just as kind of a Basic Intro to Islamic History kind of thing, would be the Wars of Apostasy and the problems with the Kharijites. You may not think so, though. None of this really meshes well with Democratic/liberal talking points.
Guy, I don't need to read that stuff.
I know exactly why we have a problem with Islam. We keep invading their countries, bombing their homes, trying to get their resources for our use without compensating them and of course, propping up a Zionist State on their holy land.
That's why we have a problem with them. Not because of some shit someone said to Thomas Jefferson when he wasn't raping his slave.
Technically the pope is a "bishop in chief", and so are the different Orthodox patriarchs.Don't make this argument about nonsense. There's no bishop in chief; never has been. This is about the merits of Islam vs. Chritianity. One is evil and the other is good.
There isn't a real "Islamic" country right now. There hasn't been since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and even that was theologically shaky. A true Islamic nation requires a caliph. The closest thing to a real Islamic nation right now is the Islamic State, and even they keep breaking a lot of the rules governing Islamic warfare.Most Islamic Countries, there isn't a Mullah in Chief, either.
Eh. Does Saudi's religious/legal establishment count as "leaders"?IN fact, other than Iran, none of them really have "Religious nutballs" as leaders. They are generally a collection of monarchs and secular despots with the odd democracy mixed in.
Franco was totally right wing. Mussolini was explicitly trying to find a Third Way between liberal socialism and conservative capitalism. Hitler was a Socialist. Stalin was a Commie. Hell, Caesar was a liberal populist. Dictators have come from every end of the spectrum.The dictators you mention are not products of Christianity. They're products of liberalism. Nice try, bud. They weren't preaching to kill in the name of Jesus; nothing close to that.
Fun fact: The transatlantic slave trade was actually started by Arab merchants. The Europeans were enslaving other Europeans (and the Gypsies) around that time. Then they started enslaving American tribes. Then they started replacing those American tribes with slaves bought from African and Arab traders. People rarely have a decent grasp of how that all played out.Actually, there is no comparison. Christianity gave us world wars, genocide of the Native Americans and the Slave trade. Just because we have a nice comfy society now does not excuse what it took to get there.
You're full of it. ISIS is full blown based upon the evil teachings of the Koran.
No, ISIS is one fringe interpretation of Islam that 99.9% of the world's 1.6 Muslims rejects. It's like saying the Westboro Baptist Church is based on the evil teachings of the Bible. Fred Phelps could quote scripture with the best of them.
Hitler wasn't rallying people behind the Bible.
He wasn't?
List of Hitler quotes mdash he was quite the vocal Catholic 8211 Pharyngula
“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of
the Almighty Creator.”
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]
“What we have to fight for…is the freedom and independence of the
fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission
assigned to it by the Creator.”
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125]
“This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the
practical existence of a religious belief.”
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152]
I could fill pages with it... but Hitler quoted the bible in a way your worst Right Wing Republican would blush at.
You've created a completely false equivalency. And frankly, you do that all the time when it comes to Christianity vs. Islam. The only difference is that you're not usually this blatant in your false equivalency.
No, guy, the problem is you want to really think that YOUR Magic Sky Fairy is better than THEIR Magic Sky Fairy.
When
1) There are no magic sky fairies.
and
2) Christians can be just as evil, stupid and cruel as Muslims in applying their faith to the "unbeliever" or the "person who doesn't believe as sincerely as I do".
Franco was totally right wing. Mussolini was explicitly trying to find a Third Way between liberal socialism and conservative capitalism. Hitler was a Socialist. Stalin was a Commie. Hell, Caesar was a liberal populist. Dictators have come from every end of the spectrum.
Such moral relativism and faux equivalencies are dangerous...You're full of it. ISIS is full blown based upon the evil teachings of the Koran.
No, ISIS is one fringe interpretation of Islam that 99.9% of the world's 1.6 Muslims rejects. It's like saying the Westboro Baptist Church is based on the evil teachings of the Bible. Fred Phelps could quote scripture with the best of them.
Hitler wasn't rallying people behind the Bible.
He wasn't?
List of Hitler quotes mdash he was quite the vocal Catholic 8211 Pharyngula
“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of
the Almighty Creator.”
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]
“What we have to fight for…is the freedom and independence of the
fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission
assigned to it by the Creator.”
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125]
“This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the
practical existence of a religious belief.”
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152]
I could fill pages with it... but Hitler quoted the bible in a way your worst Right Wing Republican would blush at.
You've created a completely false equivalency. And frankly, you do that all the time when it comes to Christianity vs. Islam. The only difference is that you're not usually this blatant in your false equivalency.
No, guy, the problem is you want to really think that YOUR Magic Sky Fairy is better than THEIR Magic Sky Fairy.
When
1) There are no magic sky fairies.
and
2) Christians can be just as evil, stupid and cruel as Muslims in applying their faith to the "unbeliever" or the "person who doesn't believe as sincerely as I do".
1. I've heard it all; you trying to put ISIS and Westboro on equal footing; PATHETIC.
2. Hitler was a politician. Of course he attempted to curry favor by invoking Christianity. But claiming that Hitler's motives were Christian motivated is like making the case that Obama's motives are Christian oriented. We all know that's just not true.
3. 'Can be' and 'are' are two different things. Only Muslims are executing genocide on the basis of religion.
I don't give a shit about your invalid views on Christianity. The reality is that Islam is a scourge; a murderous scourge upon humanity. It always has been and always will be. Meanwhile, no Christian nation is an off limits nation for a law abiding citizen. Only goons like you even pretend there's a comparison.
No WESTERN nation is "off limits", the problem is you consider "Western" and "Christian" to be the same thing.
Christian nations have produced some awful dictators- Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Marcos, Pinochet.
Actually, there is no comparison. Christianity gave us world wars, genocide of the Native Americans and the Slave trade. Just because we have a nice comfy society now does not excuse what it took to get there.
I'm telling you exactly what you need to read to become knowledgeable about Islam. It's the same shit shaikhs have to read. It's the same shit mullahs read for their education. You can declare yourself knowledgeable without bothering to read the bare basics of the faith, but the claim quite frankly doesn't mean shit if you have nothing to back it up but baseless platitudes and Muslim Brotherhood approved talking points. You might as well be one of the crazy right wingers that thinks he can read the worst excerpts of the Qur'an on a website and call himself a scholar of the faith. The attitude expressed above is really just the other side of the coin anyway. It tells me you don't really give a shit what the real reasons are, you have the talking points that were given to you and that's good enough for you.
To say that Christians produced Hitler is rather idiotic and ignorant to say. Hitler used religion, not Christianity, to elevate himself and influence the people. Furthermore, the Germans rounded up and killed Jews by the millions. When has any Christian in history believed, supported, and forced the mass genocide of the Jews, that's a pure contradiction if I have ever heard one. I seriously doubt you will find well researched and proven historical documented facts to support your conspiracy theories.
Suppose I take that all at face value. My point was that nobody in modern times is/was using Christianity as the impetus for genocidal destruction and just evil oppression as is the case in the Islamic Middle East. JoeB shamelessly attempts to put Christianity and Islam into the same boat. Christians ain't going around and rounding up people and cutting of their heads in the name of Jesus. It just ain't f'ing happening.
Then why is anything you say worth listening to? Not only do you not know what you're talking about, you happily admit that you don't want to know and will resist learning anything that counters your talking points. Why is talking to you about this any different than talking to Ken Ham about evolution?I don't care about what the real reasons are because they aren't important...
Then why is anything you say worth listening to? Not only do you not know what you're talking about, you happily admit that you don't want to know and will resist learning anything that counters your talking points. Why is talking to you about this any different than talking to Ken Ham about evolution?
I've cited a few examples of why this assertion is wrong which prove we've had problems with the Islamic world since long before 9/11. I've done my part leading you to them. Now it's your turn to do your part and do some elementary reading. I'll be more than happy to discuss adult topics with you when you have an adult level of understanding. Until then I'll be patiently waiting.We have a problem with the Islamic world because we keep sticking our dicks in their business. Period.
I've cited a few examples of why this assertion is wrong which prove we've had problems with the Islamic world since long before 9/11.
I've done my part leading you to them. Now it's your turn to do your part and do some elementary reading. I'll be more than happy to discuss adult topics with you when you have an adult level of understanding. Until then I'll be patiently waiting.
Look, I get that you hate Christianity. That's whatever. I don't care. It's not the topic under discussion. What we're discussing is whether it's immoral to vote for a politician who calls Islam a religion of peace, why it's not a religion of peace, and apparently whether it's racist to accept that it's an inherently violent religion. To reiterate, those reasons can be found in: the Qur'an itself, the biography of Muhammad, the four main books of ahadith (which I don't recommend you study until you're more familiar with the religion and the early major figures), Islamic jurisprudence (which is based mostly on Qur'an and the ahadith), the in depth early history of Islam after Muhammad (from the Wars of Apostasy to the Sunni-Shi'a split to the conquest of the Middle East and a huge chunk of the world to the various fitnan in the new Muslim world - including and especially who the Kharijites were and why they were important), the general later history (especially including notable events like Barbary piracy and our subsequent wars in North Africa, the foundation of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Partition of India, and the Communist-Afghan war and its relation to the formation of al-Qaeda),Uh, no, guy, you really didn't. 'Leaving a ship full of goodies right off their shore" is hardly an example. Do you think the Christian World didn't have its share of piracy?
I'm not a Christian. I've mentioned this before. Christianity is only marginally better than Islam. Islam isn't a race. Criticism of religions that aren't Christianity isn't racist. We've had problems with Islamically mandated violence since before 9/11. I realize you're probably not going to read anything but LoonWatch and Democratic Underground talking points, but the material was made known to you. You're ultilmately responsible for your own education. You're responsible for finding and learning it. If you're not going to do that, then there's zero point in a discussion where only one party knows what the fuck he's talking about and the other doesn't think the actual reasons even matter. I might as well be talking to Ken Ham why evolution is a thing that actually happens or to a pro-choicer about whether fetuses are alive at this point.Guy, I don't treat racist assholes who think their belief in a sky fairy is better than someone else's belief in a sky fairy seriously.
You don't want problems with the Muslims, stop sticking your dick in their business.
