Is four extra years of high school worth going into debt for?

[GMCGeneral]

There are still trades classes, and many voc schools have long waiting lists.

Plus,, apprenticeships through the trade unions do one better as they teach the trades while the apprentice gets paid.

 

[Crepitus]

STEM degrees are definitely worthwhile.

African American History and most Social Science and Arts degrees are not worth the paper the diplomas are printed on.

Why single out African American history? What about regular American history?

And "social science degrees" covers a lot of territory. Economics, anthropology, international relations, criminology, and so on.

 

[Crepitus]

Public school teachers are not underpaid and have great health insurance and summer vacation.

Straight up bullshit.

 

[citygator]

Public school teachers are not underpaid and have great health insurance and summer vacation.

They are lower paid jobs and still make out big via college.

 

[Flash]

Why single out African American history? What about regular American history?

And "social science degrees" covers a lot of territory. Economics, anthropology, international relations, criminology, and so on.

STEM graduates usually make enough money to pay back their loans.

Non STEM majors are mostly unemployable and even sometimes illerate when they graduate and are the assholes begging for someone else to pay off their debts.

Of course it takes hard word to get a STEM degree. Hard work that the dipshits that get the worthless degrees aren't willing to put out.

 

[Unkotare]

Plus,, apprenticeships through the trade unions do one better as they teach the trades while the apprentice gets paid.

At the beginning it is very low pay for a lot of hard work. It's worth it in the long run though.

 

[Crepitus]

Non STEM majors are mostly unemployable and even sometimes illerate when they graduate

Straight up lies.

Why do you people do that?

 

[Unkotare]

STEM graduates usually make enough money to pay back their loans.

Non STEM majors are mostly unemployable and even sometimes illerate when they graduate and are the assholes begging for someone else to pay off their debts.

Of course it takes hard word to get a STEM degree. Hard work that the dipshits that get the worthless degrees aren't willing to put out.

You guess because you read something on the internet.

 

[Blaster]

They are lower paid jobs and still make out big via college.

My neighbor is a school teacher and is very happy with his career choice.

 

[Unkotare]

Many, many people graduate with degrees in the humanities, and not all carry debt for years and years.

 

[Blaster]

Many, many people graduate with degrees in the humanities, and not all carry debt for years and years.

I was a business major and paid off my debt in a very short period of time.

 

[Unkotare]

I was a business major and paid off my debt in a very short period of time.

I completed my undergraduate degree with NO debt.

 

[Winco]

if you go to college to be an underpaid school teacher it is still about $700k.

In Lifetime Earnings?

Public school teachers are not underpaid and have great health insurance and summer vacation.

You should consider a teaching career.

 

[citygator]

In Lifetime Earnings?

Yes. In lifetime earnings.

 

[Winco]

Yes. In lifetime earnings.

$700,000 / 35 years = $20,000 per year.

I made $24,000 in my first year of teaching in 1985.

 

[citygator]

$700,000 / 35 years = $20,000 per year.

I made $24,000 in my first year of teaching in 1985.

Average teacher salary today is $66k. Average salary of someone who has a High School Diploma as their educational attainment level is $42k. So, seems to check out.

 

[Winco]

Average teacher salary today is $66k. Average salary of someone who has a High School Diploma as their educational attainment level is $42k. So, seems to check out.

Sure, if you consider "Life-Time" earnings for a teacher to be a period of 11 years.

 

[rupol2000]

Yes, you are clear. But you are wrong.

Just facts. USSR first rocket R1 was just copy of V2. And so on. All technologies of 50 was from America. And order also was American. There was decentralisation

 

[surada]

https://www.britannica.com/technology/Sputnik

Sputnik was a national disaster in the late 1950's that had to be dealt with because the Russians appeared to be getting ahead of us in science and technology. Just twelve years later, we purportedly put a man on the Moon! NASA, our national space agency, brought large groups of former Nazis over here after World Two and whitewashed their Nazi pasts. The US then set about putting those Russians in their place and demonstrated to the world that our college-attending academic superiority was a force for good and no one should mess with us.

Skyrockets in sight, it was a national delight in 1969 when humans launched from America put footprints on the Moon's soil. Grainy images of spacesuits bouncing in Moon dust were transmitted in ancient analog technology to anyone anywhere that had access to the primitive television sets of the day. We never looked back from sending everyone to college. But wait a minute, did we win because colleges were a good idea or because the Nazis were good at building rockets after lobbing them on English cities? Was Wernher Von Braunn one of the "good" Nazis?

You decide, but base your decision on the facts, not on your impulse to get out of debt you took on to send your kid to college.

Carry on,

Ray

My oldest granddaughter is getting a scholarship and a 50,000 dollar a year internship and she's still in college.

 

[citygator]

Sure, if you consider "Life-Time" earnings for a teacher to be a period of 11 years.

I think you misunderstand. That number is how much more teachers earn than a HS graduate in their lifetime. It’s a lot more even though teachers are generally low paid for a college grad job.