IRS Commissioner, in March: Lois Lerner's Emails Are 'Stored in Servers'

[chikenwing]

And in June the partisan right continues to fail to provide any evidence of ‘wrongdoing.’

Good grief you are one ignorant hoser.Your president said there was bad wrong doing himself right on TV,you don't believe him also?

Its s sad state when idiot partisan ,will give a pass to any politician, public employe that cheats lies or steals,just because they are on their side.

The POTUS was reacting to the media storm when he noted that mistakes were made. He did the same thing with Shirley Sherrod. Sadly. One of his less desirable traits is his being so quick to respond to RW nuttiness. He still hasn't learned to ignore that shit.

Nobody is getting a pass. Lerner lost her job. No crime was committed. She admitted to cutting some corners. That's as far as this shit goes.

You are in on the investigation how,your briefings come daily? You cant ,unless your just whacked say that with any credibility.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Back to the subject:

You know the Democrats are losing their grip on government, when they can't even keep their stories straight.

How hasty and panicked was the latest excuse about "Lois Lerner's computer crashed, and that resulted in her emails being deleted"?

Especially after the top IRS official said a few months ago, that IRS emails are kept on remote servers, far from the employee's computer?

And when such backups of official emails systems are required by Federal law???

So, what's the next step?

Now that the Obama administration's statement that Lois Lerner's computer crashing, deleted the subpoenaed emails, has been proven false, what will be done?

(a) A request from Congressional investigators that the IRS provide the emails, or explain the REAL reason why they will not provide them;
(b) If the IRS still maintains the emails are gone, explain exactly what DID happen to delete them, who did it, and who was responsible;
(c) Other....??

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Chaffetz: What email system do you use there at the IRS?

Koskinen: What email system do we use?

Chaffetz: Yeah, is it Outlook, or…

Koskinen: Yes, we have actually Microsoft -- or at least I have -- Microsoft Outlook.

Chaffetz: So you go on there, and you want to find all of the items you sent under your name, how long would that take?

Koskinen: Well it'd take awhile because they're not all on my computer. They're all stored somewhere.

[Skipping ahead]

Chaffetz: That's [part] of the brilliance of the email system. You go in and you check the 'sent' box, and the inbox, and you suddenly have all of the emails, correct?

Koskinen: Right. They get taken off and stored in servers…

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Based on these answers, those emails should be backed up somewhere on servers, making it utterly implausible that Lerner's so-called computer crash could have permanently deleted any of her messages.

Ed Morrissey notes, "the relevant files would be kept on the servers or on backup media, which would have data for the whole organization and not just a single user…[that's] especially true in organizations that require data storage and full retrieval capacity by statute — such as federal agencies like the IRS."

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ax6QGmKhRwo]Chaffetz asks IRS Commissioner: "Are you going to comply with subpoena?" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Rambunctious]

I'm not going to stop pounding on my congressional and senate representatives until Lois Lerner and CO are in jail.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I'm not going to stop pounding on my congressional and senate representatives until Lois Lerner and CO are in jail.

Please do. Make LOTS of noise. Demand that they all make this a focal point of their campaigns.

Thanks.

 

[Care4all]

little acorn, what did he mean when he answered that it would take some time even for his emails because they are ''taken off our computers'' and stored on servers?

Why would emails be ''taken off of their computers''? Is he talking about when they retire their computers, and get a new one, their email from their old computer hard drive is then taken off it and placed on servers?

He clearly did NOT indicate that their emails were backed up nightly and stored on servers, like you would think happens?

And what did he mean when he said that he uses outlook, micro soft and implied he was uncertain about others? Does that mean they each use their own type mail managing but somehow they are all tied in to a central email system?

I'm not certain this acting irs head knows a darn thing about IT???

 

[LoneLaugher]

Yo....Care4all....

Have you been looking for updates on this bombshell in the media today?

I have. But to no avail.

Anything?

 

[bedowin62]

there isn't a computer expert on the planet that believes the e-mails are really lost

libs are losers who lie to themselves

 

[HenryBHough]

Has not Lerner yet played the regime's "Bush ate my computer" card?

 

[Little-Acorn]

little acorn, what did he mean when he answered that it would take some time even for his emails because they are ''taken off our computers'' and stored on servers?

Why would emails be ''taken off of their computers''? Is he talking about when they retire their computers, and get a new one, their email from their old computer hard drive is then taken off it and placed on servers?

He clearly did NOT indicate that their emails were backed up nightly and stored on servers, like you would think happens?

And what did he mean when he said that he uses outlook, micro soft and implied he was uncertain about others? Does that mean they each use their own type mail managing but somehow they are all tied in to a central email system?

I'm not certain this acting irs head knows a darn thing about IT???

Damned if I know.

In many email systems, emails sit on the server for anywhere from months to years. Then they are archived to backup media, either a disk or optical media or etc., and deleted from the server to make room for current emails. I would guess that he was referring to that.

Other experts have pointed out that Federal agencies such as the IRS are required by Federal law to save all their emails and other documents. That's one of the main reasons such archiving and backup systems are in place. It's inconceivable that Lerner's emails were not so backed up and archived.

Which means it was a flat lie to claim that a crash of her desktop computer, deleted her emails to agencies outside the IRS.

That's like saying a malfunction in her cheap point-and-shoot digital camera, deleted two years worth of pictures when she has been saving them to disk or DVD once a day for all those years.

 

[Rozman]

Lois Lerner was told that all her information was stored in the cloud....
So every time she shut down her laptop she took it outside...

 

[Lovebears65]

Only Obama ass kissers believe that these emails have been lost. If you have one brain cell left in your brain you know that is almost impossible to lose that much emails..

You know the Democrats are losing their grip on government, when they can't even keep their stories straight.

How hasty and panicked was the latest excuse about "Lois Lerner's computer crashed, and that resulted in her emails being deleted"?

Especially after the top IRS official said a few months ago, that IRS emails are kept on remote servers, far from the employee's computer?

And when such backups of official emails systems are required by Federal law???

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IRS Commissioner, in March: Lerner's Emails Are 'Stored in Servers' - Guy Benson

IRS Commissioner, in March: Lerner's Emails Are 'Stored in Servers'
Guy Benson | Jun 16, 2014

Camp's office said the missing emails are mainly ones to and from people outside the IRS, "such as the White House, Treasury, Department of Justice, FEC, or Democrat offices."

(snip)

What a remarkable coincidence. Correspondence that could potentially reveal a wider conspiracy to use the enforcement power of the federal government to target, harass and punish conservative groups has been irreversibly "lost," so the agency's compliance with Congressional subpoenas will necessarily be incomplete. Oh, and the time frame just happens to align with the period in which the targeting practices were first initiated.

Problem: The current IRS commissioner testified under oath in March that agency emails are "stored in servers." This entire exchange with Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) is worth watching, as John Koskinen serves up excuses for why the IRS has been so slow to turn over requested materials to Congress -- but the key bit begins about 90 seconds in:

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Chaffetz: What email system do you use there at the IRS?

Koskinen: What email system do we use?

Chaffetz: Yeah, is it Outlook, or…

Koskinen: Yes, we have actually Microsoft -- or at least I have -- Microsoft Outlook.

Chaffetz: So you go on there, and you want to find all of the items you sent under your name, how long would that take?

Koskinen: Well it'd take awhile because they're not all on my computer. They're all stored somewhere.

[Skipping ahead]

Chaffetz: That's [part] of the brilliance of the email system. You go in and you check the 'sent' box, and the inbox, and you suddenly have all of the emails, correct?

Koskinen: Right. They get taken off and stored in servers…

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Based on these answers, those emails should be backed up somewhere on servers, making it utterly implausible that Lerner's so-called computer crash could have permanently deleted any of her messages.

Ed Morrissey notes, "the relevant files would be kept on the servers or on backup media, which would have data for the whole organization and not just a single user…[that's] especially true in organizations that require data storage and full retrieval capacity by statute — such as federal agencies like the IRS."

Chaffetz asks IRS Commissioner: "Are you going to comply with subpoena?" - YouTube

 

[Rozman]

Where ya been? We covered this two days ago.

Easy there Laugh boy...
MSNBC covered Bridgegate for months...
Surely you can take it if we cover this for a bit.

 

[Lovebears65]

Yo....Care4all....

Have you been looking for updates on this bombshell in the media today?

I have. But to no avail.

Anything?

Do you get paid for the Obama ass kissing or do you it just because you have no brain cells left

 

[Rozman]

MSNBC this morning spent a few minutes on this but were told by the control room
to move along and discuss something else.Joe Scarborough was trying to talk about it a bit more but Mika jumped to another topic.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Where ya been? We covered this two days ago.

Easy there Laugh boy...
MSNBC covered Bridgegate for months...
Surely you can take it if we cover this for a bit.

Not the point I was making. But you know that.

Cover away. Got anything new?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Yo....Care4all....

Have you been looking for updates on this bombshell in the media today?

I have. But to no avail.

Anything?

Do you get paid for the Obama ass kissing or do you it just because you have no brain cells left

This is about Obama?

 

[LoneLaugher]

MSNBC this morning spent a few minutes on this but were told by the control room
to move along and discuss something else.Joe Scarborough was trying to talk about it a bit more but Mika jumped to another topic.

No shit?

 

[Little-Acorn]

Yo....Care4all....

Have you been looking for updates on this bombshell in the media today?

I have. But to no avail.

Anything?

Do you get paid for the Obama ass kissing or do you it just because you have no brain cells left

His goal is to get people here talking about how dumb Obama ass kissers are, or how miserable their stories are, etc.

ANYTHING other than discussing how it is becoming ever more likely that the White House had direct involvement in the IRS illegally obstructing conservative groups during the 2012 election.

Back to the subject:
The IRS' statements from March, make it obvious that the current excuse for emails disappearing, is a lie.

What was in those emails, that someone is so anxious to conceal and cover up?

The IRS has stated that the missing emails were not from Lerner to other personnel inside the IRS, but from Lerner to extenal agencies including the White House.

IN fact, this "Oops, the emails got deleted" admission is the first clear connection between the IRS and outside agencies such as the White House. Nothing has shown a connection until now. And nothing has caused a desperate attempt to get rid of the evidence with such a laughable excuse, until now.

Whatever is in those emails, between Lerner and agencies such as the White House, has somebody VERY worried... worried enough to blatantly violate the law to keep them away from investigators.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Yo....Care4all....

Have you been looking for updates on this bombshell in the media today?

I have. But to no avail.

Anything?

Do you get paid for the Obama ass kissing or do you it just because you have no brain cells left

His goal is to get people here talking about how dumb Obama ass kissers are, or how miserable their stories are, etc.

ANYTHING other than discussing how it is becoming ever more likely that the White House had direct involvement in the IRS illegally obstructing conservbattive groups during the 2012 election.

I welcome that discussion. Whatcha got?

 

[Little-Acorn]

Yo....Care4all....

Have you been looking for updates on this bombshell in the media today?

I have. But to no avail.

Anything?

Do you get paid for the Obama ass kissing or do you it just because you have no brain cells left

His goal is to get people here talking about how dumb Obama ass kissers are, or how miserable their stories are, etc.

ANYTHING other than discussing how it is becoming ever more likely that the White House had direct involvement in the IRS illegally obstructing conservative groups during the 2012 election.

Back to the subject:
The IRS' statements from March, make it obvious that the current excuse for emails disappearing, is a lie.

What was in those emails, that someone is so anxious to conceal and cover up?

The IRS has stated that the missing emails were not from Lerner to other personnel inside the IRS, but from Lerner to extenal agencies including the White House.

IN fact, this "Oops, the emails got deleted" admission is the first clear connection between the IRS and outside agencies such as the White House. Nothing has shown a connection until now. And nothing has caused a desperate attempt to get rid of the evidence with such a laughable excuse, until now.

Whatever is in those emails, between Lerner and agencies such as the White House, has somebody VERY worried... worried enough to blatantly violate the law to keep them away from investigators.

It takes a massive effort to make sure those emails are irretrievably gone, from every intermediate computer, server, recipient, backup device etc. they ever resided on in the IRS email system.

Disks have to physically removed from the computer they're in, and either physically destroyed or put through a process called "degaussing". Without that, even if the data has been overwritten, it is still possible to get it back. This has to be done to literally dozens of computers. And the result will be loss of massive amounts of information, not just emails.

Optical media has to be physically destroyed, for its data to be made truly unrecoverable. One interesting method, is to put an optical disk (like a DVD or CD-ROM) in a microwave oven, just for a few seconds.

This may account for the long time between the supposed computer crash, and the COngressional committee being told about it only last week. The people responsible, had to make sure that every computer was scrubbed in the most extreme way.

Such scrubbing will inevitably leave a trail. Even if it is not possible to get the email contents back, it will be clear that massive scrubbing took place, that went far beyond normal system operation and maintenance.

Somebody apparently decided they'd rather be punished for massive scrubbing and destruction of evidence, than be punished for whatever was contained in those emails.