iran, another stunning victory for Obama

[Sunni Man]

no jest, just facts. list the times that israel has attacked one of its neighbors in a preemptive strike and not in retaliation.

There has been several.

The first was in 1967 when Israel made a preemptive strike against Egypt in what is now called the Six Day War. ...

horseshit, Egypt was moving troops to the border getting ready for an invasion. Israel saw what was happening and stopped it.

your rewrite of history is typical.

Many countries stage troops on their own border all of the time.

But only the zionist psychopaths that rule Israel see it as a threat and attack. ..

 

[Redfish]

There has been several.

The first was in 1967 when Israel made a preemptive strike against Egypt in what is now called the Six Day War. ...

horseshit, Egypt was moving troops to the border getting ready for an invasion. Israel saw what was happening and stopped it.

your rewrite of history is typical.

Many countries stage troops on their own border all of the time.

But only the zionist psychopaths that rule Israel see it as a threat and attack. ..

OK, sure. and Kim jung Un is a nice fellow who did not really allow starving dogs to eat his uncle.

what planet do you live on?

WTF do you think China would do if Russia started to stage troops on its border? or vice versa?

 

[Theowl32]

Ever notice how these brave liberals who claim the land belonged to Palestine (which is pure, ignorant, anti-semite liberal bullshit) would never voluntarily give up one of their homes to an American native?

Then again virtually every liberal that posts here do not own their own homes. They virtually all live in their parents home, in a gated community, guarded by armed guards.


Ever notice how they feign outrage about another person's plight, and they have little to no clue about it?

No. Let me clarify again. Liberals stand for nothing. They are loud mouth gongs. They care about a very few things. One of those things is the need for approval from each other. Most liberal women for example would bend over and spread em over a book rack if you are a good enough socialist and hate republicans well enough.

They will deny this too. Remember last week when the morons who went to prove man made global warming by measuring ice, then after they needed to be rescued in ice so thick that ice cutters could not reach them, and then liberals said the reason the ice was so thick was proof of man made global warming? Remember that?

I do.

 

[Sunni Man]

WTF do you think China would do if Russia started to stage troops on its border? or vice versa?

Actually, both China and Russia have staged troops on the border between them many times in a show of force. ...

 

[Redfish]

WTF do you think China would do if Russia started to stage troops on its border? or vice versa?

Actually, both China and Russia have staged troops on the border between them many times in a show of force. ...

and quickly removed them.

But I get it, your avatar and user name reveal your true motives here.

But thats fine, continue to post the pro-muslim rhetoric and continue to have it refuted by facts. Thats what this forum is for.

 

[Duped]

Obama has been a complete, and utter failure with no victories. Later this year when Israel attacks Iran you may realize what a fake ass leader he is.

 

[Clementine]

(CNN) -- Save the date: Iran has pledged to start eliminating some of its uranium stockpile on January 20, the White House said Sunday.

That gives an official start date for the six-month interim deal with Iran, which was first announced in November.

"As of that day, for the first time in almost a decade, Iran's nuclear program will not be able to advance, and parts of it will be rolled back, while we start negotiating a comprehensive agreement to address the international community's concerns about Iran's program," U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said in a statement Sunday.

White House: Iran to start eliminating uranium stockpile January 20 - CNN.com

It's another stunning lie from Iran.

They claim they'll roll back the program, which means they can advance anytime they want because they will maintain the ability. Unlike us and our health care plans, they actually get to keep their nuclear plans.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I guess the echo chamber supports Cowboy Diplomacy, given the hysterical response to yesterday's announcement. I find it incredible that so many believe that sword rattling is a more effective strategy than economic sanctions, speaking softly and seeking common ground. Iran and the rest of the world know we have 'many a big stick'.

The former brings forth nationalism in the Iranian population, and makes the theocracy there stronger; the latter alienates the people from their nations power elite and weakens those in power; another plus it does not put our service men and women in harms way and it is cost-effective.

Totally wrong. But your naivte about Iran's intentions and motives is typical of the ignorant left.

the way to avoid military confrontation is to take a strong position and be able to back it up. As Reagan did with the soviet union, and Kennedy did with the Cuban blockade.

Explain to me and the naïve leftists a couple of things. What do you mean by "leftist"? What is "to take a strong position"? And what is your educational and experiential background which makes you an authority on anything?

 

[Sunni Man]

WTF do you think China would do if Russia started to stage troops on its border? or vice versa?

Actually, both China and Russia have staged troops on the border between them many times in a show of force. ...

and quickly removed them.

The egyptian troops where on their own soil and hadn't attempted to cross into the border when Israel attacked.

What fascist Israel did was commit a 'preemptive strike' on an innocent neighbor.

Fact..........

 

[Redfish]

I guess the echo chamber supports Cowboy Diplomacy, given the hysterical response to yesterday's announcement. I find it incredible that so many believe that sword rattling is a more effective strategy than economic sanctions, speaking softly and seeking common ground. Iran and the rest of the world know we have 'many a big stick'.

The former brings forth nationalism in the Iranian population, and makes the theocracy there stronger; the latter alienates the people from their nations power elite and weakens those in power; another plus it does not put our service men and women in harms way and it is cost-effective.

Totally wrong. But your naivte about Iran's intentions and motives is typical of the ignorant left.

the way to avoid military confrontation is to take a strong position and be able to back it up. As Reagan did with the soviet union, and Kennedy did with the Cuban blockade.

Explain to me and the naïve leftists a couple of things. What do you mean by "leftist"? What is "to take a strong position"? And what is your educational and experiential background which makes you an authority on anything?

Leftist in today's vernacular generally means one of more of the following: liberal, socialist, marxist, collectivist, communist, statist, atheist, progressive.

Take a strong position means having principles and having the will to stand for them and the strength to back them up if challenged.

What makes me an authority----experience, education (harvard MBA) world travel, international business, 60+ years of living, financial success, personal and family success, religion, compassion for the poor and sick, hard work.

Now, tell us why anyone should place any value on your opinions.

 

[Redfish]

Actually, both China and Russia have staged troops on the border between them many times in a show of force. ...

and quickly removed them.

The egyptian troops where on their own soil and hadn't attempted to cross into the border when Israel attacked.

What fascist Israel did was commit a 'preemptive strike' on an innocent neighbor.

Fact..........

I understand that those are the facts according to the muslim clerics. Do you deny that Egypt was gearing up for an attack?

 

[Sunni Man]

I understand that those are the facts according to the muslim clerics. Do you deny that Egypt was gearing up for an attack?

I personally never heard a muslim cleric speak about Israel's preemptive strike against Egypt in 1967.

But I do know that the zionist state of Israel has attacked it's neighbors; Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Gaza, Jordan, Egypt, several times for the so called "defense" of Israel's security.

It's the paranoid psychopaths that rule that country answer to everything. ...

 

[Indofred]

Obama has been a complete, and utter failure with no victories. Later this year when Israel attacks Iran you may realize what a fake ass leader he is.

An Israeli strike on Iran would probably draw a lot of other nations into a middle east war as there would probably be so much public pressure in countries.
Even Saudi, America's bitch government, may see the royal family removed and join in a war.
There would be a very good chance, Egypt, well armed with Russian equipment would lead the strikes.
America, scared of oil supply losses, may well butt out.

 

[Redfish]

I understand that those are the facts according to the muslim clerics. Do you deny that Egypt was gearing up for an attack?

I personally never heard a muslim cleric speak about Israel's preemptive strike against Egypt in 1967.

But I do know that the zionist state of Israel has attacked it's neighbors; Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Gaza, Jordan, Egypt, several times for the so called "defense" of Israel's security.

It's the paranoid psychopaths that rule that country answer to everything. ...

Israel has the right to exist, the muslim world wants to deny that right. You know it, I know it, Israel knows it, the muslims know it, everyone knows what this is about.

a 3000 year old religious war over a small piece of desert that is claimed as holy land by 3 religions.

 

[Redfish]

Obama has been a complete, and utter failure with no victories. Later this year when Israel attacks Iran you may realize what a fake ass leader he is.

An Israeli strike on Iran would probably draw a lot of other nations into a middle east war as there would probably be so much public pressure in countries.
Even Saudi, America's bitch government, may see the royal family removed and join in a war.
There would be a very good chance, Egypt, well armed with Russian equipment would lead the strikes.
America, scared of oil supply losses, may well butt out.

The possibility of such a strike only exists because the USA has a weak president who cannot be trusted by either our friends or our enemies.

 

[Pete7469]

Obama got the Syrians to give up their chemical weapons, the Iranians to give up their nuclear weapons, and he got bin Laden and Gadaffi.

All without trillion dollar invasions.

It helps to have a smart president.

Yeah, to bad we haven't seen one in the last 5 years.

-Geaux

I would say the last smart president was Jefferson, and even he had some faults. However I am awestruck at how the bed wetters can believe their moonbat messiah is even marginally intelligent.

This clown is truly vapid. Right down there with Hank Johnson IMO.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q]Congressman Hank Johnson fears Guam will tip over, March 25, 2010 - YouTube[/ame]

These are sorts of people bed wetters elect. Their abject idiocy accurately reflects the extreme stupidity of the democrook voter base.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Totally wrong. But your naivte about Iran's intentions and motives is typical of the ignorant left.

the way to avoid military confrontation is to take a strong position and be able to back it up. As Reagan did with the soviet union, and Kennedy did with the Cuban blockade.

Explain to me and the naïve leftists a couple of things. What do you mean by "leftist"? What is "to take a strong position"? And what is your educational and experiential background which makes you an authority on anything?

Leftist in today's vernacular generally means one of more of the following: liberal, socialist, marxist, collectivist, communist, statist, atheist, progressive.

Take a strong position means having principles and having the will to stand for them and the strength to back them up if challenged.

What makes me an authority----experience, education (harvard MBA) world travel, international business, 60+ years of living, financial success, personal and family success, religion, compassion for the poor and sick, hard work.

Now, tell us why anyone should place any value on your opinions.

LOL, this is the internet and even if one element of what you claim is true, the fact remains your response is ridiculous and demonstrates a complete lack of critical thinking framed by historical events.

One example should suffice: You claim to, "Take a strong position means having principles and having the will to stand for them and the strength to back them up if challenged."

What is a "strong position"? Cowboy Diplomacy, sending the fleet and a couple of carrier groups and setting up a blockade, breaking off all back channel talks? How about some detail? Since you're so self assured and have that Harvard MBA, you must have thought about what you mean by "strong position" and how The President and Secretary of State should have acted.

Obama and Kerry have been prudent, strong, pragmatic and for the moment successful. No one is prescient, least of all you if the body of your work on this forum is any indication. The future is a mystery waiting to be unveiled, and the past is a good measure of what works and what does not. But is cannot predict future events. Some of what I learned at CAL taking courses within my double major - history and poli sci (which included course work in International Relations).

The one certainty is human nature, and the strategy of the Obama Administration suggests this variable is one they properly consider. I suggest you compare the following lesson learned with the former Bush Administration and that of President Obama's (if of course anything you claim is true and you're not the willfully ignorant parrot I believe):

From Robert McNamara's 1995 book "In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam"

1.We misjudged then — and we have since — the geopolitical intentions of our adversaries … and we exaggerated the dangers to the United States of their actions.

2.We viewed the people and leaders of South Vietnam in terms of our own experience … We totally misjudged the political forces within the country.

3.We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values.

4.Our misjudgments of friend and foe, alike, reflected our profound ignorance of the history, culture, and politics of the people in the area, and the personalities and habits of their leaders.

5.We failed then — and have since — to recognize the limitations of modern, high-technology military equipment, forces, and doctrine. We failed, as well, to adapt our military tactics to the task of winning the hearts and minds of people from a totally different culture.

6.We failed to draw Congress and the American people into a full and frank discussion and debate of the pros and cons of a large-scale military involvement … before we initiated the action.

7.After the action got under way, and unanticipated events forced us off our planned course … we did not fully explain what was happening, and why we were doing what we did.

8.We did not recognize that neither our people nor our leaders are omniscient. Our judgment of what is in another people's or country's best interest should be put to the test of open discussion in international forums. We do not have the God-given right to shape every nation in our image or as we choose.

9.We did not hold to the principle that U.S. military action … should be carried out only in conjunction with multinational forces supported fully (and not merely cosmetically) by the international community.

10.We failed to recognize that in international affairs, as in other aspects of life, there may be problems for which there are no immediate solutions … At times, we may have to live with an imperfect, untidy world.

11.Underlying many of these errors lay our failure to organize the top echelons of the executive branch to deal effectively with the extraordinarily complex range of political and military issues.

 

[dannyboys]

Obama got the Syrians to give up their chemical weapons, the Iranians to give up their nuclear weapons, and he got bin Laden and Gadaffi.

All without trillion dollar invasions.

It helps to have a smart president.

Bobo "got" the Syrians to do SFA pal. Putin "got" the Syrians to move the WMDs Saddam had moved into Syria before the Allies attacked Iraq into Russia where they are being trucked to Iran. Those WMDs happen to be the ones Russia sold Saddam. Funny old world.
Bobo "got" bin Laden my ass!. The US had been on bin Laden's trail long before Bobo's 'OJ jury' elected him b/c he had the same skin color as those simians.
The British were the ones who "got Gadaffi" while Bobo 'led from behind' (if that isn't the perfect description of Bobo, "If it don't fit don't force it" nothing is. Just as Reggie Love.)

The 'Chamberlain brothers' Bobo and Kerry are just dumb enough to believe what the Mullahs promise.......every time. Watch for this farce to end in Bobo relaxing the meaningless sanctions and the Mullahs working their nuclear bomb makers 24/7 until they can set one off in NY and Haifa.

 

[dannyboys]

When Iran gets a nuke in 2-3 years...the media will cover up Obama's fingerprints on the bomb.

SO FUCKING WHAT!? It doesn't bother me 1 damn bit if Iran has a nuke. Scares me more Israel has one and has a plan to detonate it over Europe in case of an attack...Israel is the unstable nation in the ME not Iran.

I'm unsure Israel has any plan to detonate over Europe in case of attack but I wouldn't put it past their extremist politicians to let one go and try to blame it on Iran or whoever.
They do have a record of false flag and they are religious extremists.

I know Muslims have the rep for religious extremism, and there's no arguing we have our nut jobs, but Israel also has the same sort of people, just with a different brand of extremism and nuclear weapons.

For starters Israel will never allow Iran to complete construction of a nuclear bomb. That's not for debate it's a fact. So it follows that no one is going to track a nuclear armed missile leaving Iran for Venice.
In case Iran attacks Israel with conventional forces/weapons systems multiple cities in Iran will become lakes of molten glass. The Mullahs are well aware of this. Israel will not stop until their nuclear trigger goes 'CLICK' once the first bomb is launched.
What makes the conflict with Iran and Israel somewhat different than the countries ambassadors just screaming their heads off at the UN is every sentient person knows that Israel is 100% guaranteed to be the one country in the world not to hesitate a second to counter attack Iran with nuclear bombs. The Mullahs know this also.

 

[Theowl32]

SO FUCKING WHAT!? It doesn't bother me 1 damn bit if Iran has a nuke. Scares me more Israel has one and has a plan to detonate it over Europe in case of an attack...Israel is the unstable nation in the ME not Iran.

I'm unsure Israel has any plan to detonate over Europe in case of attack but I wouldn't put it past their extremist politicians to let one go and try to blame it on Iran or whoever.
They do have a record of false flag and they are religious extremists.

I know Muslims have the rep for religious extremism, and there's no arguing we have our nut jobs, but Israel also has the same sort of people, just with a different brand of extremism and nuclear weapons.

For starters Israel will never allow Iran to complete construction of a nuclear bomb. That's not for debate it's a fact. So it follows that no one is going to track a nuclear armed missile leaving Iran for Venice.
In case Iran attacks Israel with conventional forces/weapons systems multiple cities in Iran will become lakes of molten glass. The Mullahs are well aware of this. Israel will not stop until their nuclear trigger goes 'CLICK' once the first bomb is launched.
What makes the conflict with Iran and Israel somewhat different than the countries ambassadors just screaming their heads off at the UN is every sentient person knows that Israel is 100% guaranteed to be the one country in the world not to hesitate a second to counter attack Iran with nuclear bombs. The Mullahs know this also.

I happen to think the plan here (Obama is not dumb, in that he is not making mistakes. He is an anti-semite who hates Israel just like the entire liberal base. He is a dedicated socialist who is a Saul Alinsky disciple.) is to force Israel to do exactly that. By forcing Israel to make a preemptive strike, the world will turn on Israel (publicly like the wants to).


This is the obvious plan. Just look at the rhetoric and see the position the left takes in regards to Israel. Next to America (and the other western countries that are public allies of America) the left hates Israel that much more. Interestingly enough, the American Jew is among those that hate Israel. No matter how often they wear the little hats or take days off for their religious holidays during the year, they line themselves with the enemies of Israel.

Interestingly enough, just like the profits warned about for centuries and warned their own people. Basically, what we are seeing are those prophecies coming to pass, where we will most likely be witnesses.

This is what we see happening.