Iran and Lebanon Want to Avoid Big War.

[Donald H]

Iran and Lebanon want to avoid ‘big war’ – Lavrov to RT

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov discussed the potential escalation of the Israeli-Palestinian hostilities in an interview with RT

www.rt.com

Israeli officials have threatened to bomb Lebanese capital Beirut in a similar way to their campaign in Gaza, while some US hawks have called for an attack on Iran. [

Lavrov understands that this threat of war must be avoided at all costs. The Zionist regime under Netanyahu may have bit off more than they can chew this time.

Much bigger players behind the scenes might be trying to create a proxy war similar to America's in the Ukraine.

Opinions?

That may change if Hezbollah is provoked into action by an attempt to force Palestinians out of Gaza, the Russian diplomat warned.

That is likely all it will take!

 

[peacefan]

the Iranian leaders have been playing us for far too long now.
they laugh in private at our inability to use our superior military strength to keep them at bay,
and so they have launched their own war of attrition against us.

perhaps it's best if we teach the Iranian leaders the lesson they need;
to respect superior strength without the constant threat of force.

but until then, we must count on our own military leaders to come up with scenarios
that would utterly criple the upperclass economy of Iran, and we must give our
military the funding and approval that it needs for such a threat to be realistic.

bi-partisan, even NATO-alliance-wide support, is necessary here.

either we show resolve in Ukraine, or we lose the Black Sea again.

same goes for Israel, Syria, Iraq, and Taiwan.

ALL of the countries in the wider NATO alliance should increase their defense spending in the coming years.
because we are under attack.

we have been under attack ever since WW1, and possibly even earlier than that.
even at times when defending our foreign interests didn't put us at odds with foreigners, foreigners would raid our lands.
or we'd have some violent dispute with a nearby town.
and the rest of the world was no different.
IS no different, absent military might to protect the citizenry and government.

 

[Esdraelon]

I think the mullahs were surprised by the world media and the US/EU being unable to stop the IDF as they'd done so many times before. Iran isn't going to risk their other major anti-Israel proxy - Hizballah. If they throw THAT dog into the fight, Israel is apt to go for broke and end Hizballah and fark up Iran's shit at the same time.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Iran and Lebanon Want to Avoid Big War.
SUBTOPIC: Reasoning
⁜→ Donald H, peacefan, et al,

Do the Arabs have a track record of only becoming involved either as a token gesture or because they have something much more to gain if they become involved?

Donald H

(COMMENT)

Hezbollah (as both an anti-Israeli agency and an Iranian proxy) will have to think very long and hard before they take a costly (men and resources) leap into a fray in which it will take quite a lot from their war chest. Hezbollah is generally an entrenched adversary, mostly organized for small-unit tactics. That puts them at a great disadvantage. This is especially true if they have to move to contact and take them out of al-Bekka Valley (their comfort zone).

They have to ask themselves:

• How much are they willing to gamble?
• How much are they willing to lose?
• Is the gamble worth the expectation of success?
• What is their expectation if they engage?

bi-partisan, even NATO-alliance-wide support, is necessary here.

either we show resolve in Ukraine, or we lose the Black Sea again.

same goes for Israel, Syria, Iraq, and Taiwan.

ALL of the countries in the wider NATO alliance should increase their defense spending in the coming years.
because we are under attack.

(COMMENT)

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO (30 member nations 2023)] is hard of hearing and very slow to react. Many of the more developed NATO Member Nations → [BTW the US is NOT considered to be in the top 20 (let alone the top 10) of the most Human Developed Nations (see the HDI Index 2023)] →

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The US contributes about 11 times more than the next highest contributing member nation (the UK). And the US contributes more than 2.5 times the next nine member nations combined.

∑ The Point: The Most Highly Developed nations of NATO have concluded that a healthy development of their nations does not include supporting the collective defense programs.

Ω There is no reasonable expectation that the very highly developed of the NATO Member Nations will increase their defense spending anytime soon..

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[luiza]

Iran and Lebanon want to avoid ‘big war’ – Lavrov to RT

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov discussed the potential escalation of the Israeli-Palestinian hostilities in an interview with RT

www.rt.com

Lavrov understands that this threat of war must be avoided at all costs. The Zionist regime under Netanyahu may have bit off more than they can chew this time.

Much bigger players behind the scenes might be trying to create a proxy war similar to America's in the Ukraine.

Opinions?

That's what the Deep State October7 False Flag / Psy OP was all about, as I have repeated almost ad infinitum.

Now with a good proportion of Americans and Jews hysterical and fearful , we reach the possible next phase.
Namely , to get the US involved so that it can then be wrecked in terms of the US $ and its economy .

You could take out a couple of large US boats -- an aircraft carrier is possible, but that might be over the top .
Or , you could manipulate a narrative for executing a few American hostages , though I privately doubt few if any ever existed -- another story .
An alternative narrative obviously is creeping escalation pushed along nominally by the Houthis and Hezbollah as per current , with a later "mini" False Flag to bring in another and bigger player -- say Iran or even Turkey . All the time with Russia apparently just monitoring events .

Hamas obviously contiues but in a sense they do not exist as they are just a Deep State control weapon nominally run by the insane part of the Israeli government plus the Shadow element of the US .
Bottom level fighters are obviously as radicalised and extreme as their ISIS and al-Qaeda counterparts but they are just used as gullible pawns by the real power elite .

Makes perfect sense to still have Piss Pants in nominal charge of the US so that Obummer still does not have to disclose his part in the total operation .
Regardless , we should get a gripping end to this year and a hell of a New Year start .Lots more hysteria and panic for the Sheeple and Normies

So , Place your Bets .

 

[surada]

I think the mullahs were surprised by the world media and the US/EU being unable to stop the IDF as they'd done so many times before. Iran isn't going to risk their other major anti-Israel proxy - Hizballah. If they throw THAT dog into the fight, Israel is apt to go for broke and end Hizballah and fark up Iran's shit at the same time.

Israel has been attacking Lebanon since 1950.

 

[surada]

Iran and Lebanon want to avoid ‘big war’ – Lavrov to RT

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov discussed the potential escalation of the Israeli-Palestinian hostilities in an interview with RT

www.rt.com

Lavrov understands that this threat of war must be avoided at all costs. The Zionist regime under Netanyahu may have bit off more than they can chew this time.

Much bigger players behind the scenes might be trying to create a proxy war similar to America's in the Ukraine.

Opinions?



That is likely all it will take!

God, this is heartbreaking. I pray that Israel doesn't attack Lebanon again. Read Moishe Dayan.

 

[Donald H]

That's what the Deep State October7 False Flag / Psy OP was all about, as I have repeated almost ad infinitum.

Now with a good proportion of Americans and Jews hysterical and fearful , we reach the possible next phase.
Namely , to get the US involved so that it can then be wrecked in terms of the US $ and its economy .

You could take out a couple of large US boats -- an aircraft carrier is possible, but that might be over the top .
Or , you could manipulate a narrative for executing a few American hostages , though I privately doubt few if any ever existed -- another story .
An alternative narrative obviously is creeping escalation pushed along nominally by the Houthis and Hezbollah as per current , with a later "mini" False Flag to bring in another and bigger player -- say Iran or even Turkey . All the time with Russia apparently just monitoring events .

Hamas obviously contiues but in a sense they do not exist as they are just a Deep State control weapon nominally run by the insane part of the Israeli government plus the Shadow element of the US .
Bottom level fighters are obviously as radicalised and extreme as their ISIS and al-Qaeda counterparts but they are just used as gullible pawns by the real power elite .

Makes perfect sense to still have Piss Pants in nominal charge of the US so that Obummer still does not have to disclose his part in the total operation .
Regardless , we should get a gripping end to this year and a hell of a New Year start .Lots more hysteria and panic for the Sheeple and Normies

So , Place your Bets .

yes, all possibilities.

America is likely doing everything possible to keep Iran out of this war.

They've learned through the experiencing war with Russia that their wars have no chance of satisfactory ending.

Netanyahu has walked the Zionist regime into a never-ending war against a foe that is determined to be free.

The Palestinian cause has been accepted by the world's countries, and even America is divided down the middle on it's support of Zionism.

Iran's involvement would almost certainly mean nuclear war!

A very good reason for America to broker a mutually acceptable peace for both sides!

 

[Donald H]

God, this is heartbreaking. I pray that Israel doesn't attack Lebanon again. Read Moishe Dayan.

Iran is ready and waiting. See my interpretations to Luiza.

 

[luiza]

God, this is heartbreaking. I pray that Israel doesn't attack Lebanon again. Read Moishe Dayan.

In the same way that the Pally boys took years getting ready for Oct7 so did Hezbollah and Iran .
The HellyBelly Boys have up to 200 000 missiles looking for a home, so it is unlikely they will not enjoy the pleasure of guaranteeing that they reach those they have been intended for .
Of course it is opinion but I will be astonished if things do not move up a couple of steps in terms of escalation .
That might be be awful -- your comment , but the real crunch comes at that point , imho .
Which of Iran , Turkey , US and Russia will then do something which can then never be"put right "and at minimum lead to a ME diabolic mess ?
Hopefully conventional and not nuclear .

 

[Augustine_]

Iran and Lebanon want to avoid ‘big war’ – Lavrov to RT

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov discussed the potential escalation of the Israeli-Palestinian hostilities in an interview with RT

www.rt.com

Lavrov understands that this threat of war must be avoided at all costs. The Zionist regime under Netanyahu may have bit off more than they can chew this time.

Much bigger players behind the scenes might be trying to create a proxy war similar to America's in the Ukraine.

Opinions?



That is likely all it will take!

Maybe if the U.S. drops its unconditional support for Israel, Israel will be forced to learn how to stop pissing off all its neighbors.

 

[Donald H]

Maybe if the U.S. drops its unconditional support for Israel, Israel will be forced to learn how to stop pissing off all its neighbors.

Netanyahu was warned, but he walked right into the trouble he's caused for America.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The top two U.S. military leaders are traveling to Tel Aviv to advise the Israeli government on how to transition from major combat operations against Hamas in Gaza to a more limited campaign and prevent a wider regional war. Their trip comes as Iranian-backed militants on Saturday launched a wave of attack drones against ships in the Red Sea and said they would continue until Israel’s “aggression” ends.

More to the point: Hamas is untouchable and the Zionists have created a situation for themselves in which they will be continuously attacked by several forces similar to Hamas.

The Zionists could be down to their last ace in the hole, which means winning their war according to bible prophesy.

How comforting is that for Americans?

 

[peacefan]

RE: Iran and Lebanon Want to Avoid Big War.
SUBTOPIC: Reasoning
⁜→ Donald H, peacefan, et al,

Do the Arabs have a track record of only becoming involved either as a token gesture or because they have something much more to gain if they become involved?



(COMMENT)

Hezbollah (as both an anti-Israeli agency and an Iranian proxy) will have to think very long and hard before they take a costly (men and resources) leap into a fray in which it will take quite a lot from their war chest. Hezbollah is generally an entrenched adversary, mostly organized for small-unit tactics. That puts them at a great disadvantage. This is especially true if they have to move to contact and take them out of al-Bekka Valley (their comfort zone).

They have to ask themselves:

• How much are they willing to gamble?
• How much are they willing to lose?
• Is the gamble worth the expectation of success?
• What is their expectation if they engage?

(COMMENT)

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO (30 member nations 2023)] is hard of hearing and very slow to react. Many of the more developed NATO Member Nations → [BTW the US is NOT considered to be in the top 20 (let alone the top 10) of the most Human Developed Nations (see the HDI Index 2023)] →

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The US contributes about 11 times more than the next highest contributing member nation (the UK). And the US contributes more than 2.5 times the next nine member nations combined.

∑ The Point: The Most Highly Developed nations of NATO have concluded that a healthy development of their nations does not include supporting the collective defense programs.

Ω There is no reasonable expectation that the very highly developed of the NATO Member Nations will increase their defense spending anytime soon..

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Most Respectfully,
R

well, Google search engine reports that the defense spending of my own country is set to increase to 21.4 billion Euro soon.
in dollars, that's slightly more.

next, i'd like to see some headlines about NATO originated military R&D progress.

 

[Augustine_]

The Zionists could be down to their last ace in the hole, which means winning their war according to bible prophesy.

Biblical actions earn biblical consequences. I hope we stall that until boomers die off so that the remaining Americans are those that are not willing to die for Israel's religious beliefs.

 

[Donald H]

Biblical actions earn biblical consequences. I hope we stall that until boomers die off so that the remaining Americans are those that are not willing to die for Israel's religious beliefs.

By now they're likely sitting down with Netanyahu to issue the ultimatum.

I doubt that Bibi is a true and thorough believer who would be willing to resort to the final solution.

I can't get away from thinking about the Kinzhal/aircraft carrier scenario?

It's suspicious that America's propagandists for war have steered wide of the topic!

What is the purpose of the world's greatest military power X10 if it can be neutralized in the first hour of the war?

 

[surada]

Netanyahu was warned, but he walked right into the trouble he's caused for America.



More to the point: Hamas is untouchable and the Zionists have created a situation for themselves in which they will be continuously attacked by several forces similar to Hamas.

The Zionists could be down to their last ace in the hole, which means winning their war according to bible prophesy.

How comforting is that for Americans?

What prophecy is that?

 

[ding]

yes, all possibilities.

America is likely doing everything possible to keep Iran out of this war.

They've learned through the experiencing war with Russia that their wars have no chance of satisfactory ending.

Netanyahu has walked the Zionist regime into a never-ending war against a foe that is determined to be free.

The Palestinian cause has been accepted by the world's countries, and even America is divided down the middle on it's support of Zionism.

Iran's involvement would almost certainly mean nuclear war!

A very good reason for America to broker a mutually acceptable peace for both sides!

This sounds very much like an argument Iran would be making.

 

[Augustine_]

By now they're likely sitting down with Netanyahu to issue the ultimatum.

I doubt that Bibi is a true and thorough believer who would be willing to resort to the final solution.

I can't get away from thinking about the Kinzhal/aircraft carrier scenario?

It's suspicious that America's propagandists for war have steered wide of the topic!

What is the purpose of the world's greatest military power X10 if it can be neutralized in the first hour of the war?

The kinzhal is a small threat to an aircraft carrier. It can be shot down with 1970's tech. Russia's best military tactic is to throw bodies at an enemy and hope they don't run out of bodies before they can claim some kind of victory to their people. That doesn't work against an aircraft carrier either.

 

[Donald H]

The kinzhal is a small threat to an aircraft carrier. It can be shot down with 1970's tech.

The only reason to doubt your theory is that America is struggling desperately to develop the same technology.

Are the days of huge warships over?

 

[Augustine_]

The only reason to doubt your theory is that America is struggling desperately to develop the same technology.

Are the days of huge warships over?

If America doesn't have it then Russia definitely doesn't. Ukraine was able to shoot one down with old junk. I suspect either the U.S. has the technology or thinks that it is obsolete due to lasers or something. I also think huge warships are stupid because there are a million ways to deliver a nuke at them but I'm also not privy to whatever top secret dealings are behind the reasoning.