Initial jobless claims increase unexpectedly

[uscitizen]

fyi.

SS accounts for 4.4% of GDP in 2008 and Medicare 3.2% of GDP.
Take them away and there is an immediate drop of 7.6% in the GDP.

Not counting Medicaid, etc....
Virtually every dime of those programs are spent in the USA providing jobs and sales of US products.

 

[rdean]

Is there a Republican plan for job creation?

Probablly not.

Plans are not the answer.

Americans got themselves in this mess, let Americans get themselves out of it.

None of us want to fail. So we wont.

Probelm is, many of us refuse to bear the pain of the issues we created for ourselves. They want releif.

I say, deal with the pain and Keep government and their "I know what is best" attitudes out of it

Republican policies got us into this mess.

 

[Yurt]

Is there a Republican plan for job creation?

Probablly not.

Plans are not the answer.

Americans got themselves in this mess, let Americans get themselves out of it.

None of us want to fail. So we wont.

Probelm is, many of us refuse to bear the pain of the issues we created for ourselves. They want releif.

I say, deal with the pain and Keep government and their "I know what is best" attitudes out of it

Republican policies got us into this mess.

groan

 

[uscitizen]

Is there a Republican plan for job creation?

Probablly not.

Plans are not the answer.

Americans got themselves in this mess, let Americans get themselves out of it.

None of us want to fail. So we wont.

Probelm is, many of us refuse to bear the pain of the issues we created for ourselves. They want releif.

I say, deal with the pain and Keep government and their "I know what is best" attitudes out of it

Republican policies got us into this mess.

Yeah well mostly, but ultimately WE are to blame.
We elect the government, and we seem to keep electing the same losers.
we used our homes as piggy banks instead of homes. We overspent on items we did not really need and went asshole deep in dept.
We bought far bigger homes than we needed thinking they would only go up in value.
We bought Cars and trucks as status symbole instead of what we needed.
We bought cheap import items instead of made in the USA items to support our workers.
We did not boycott industries for moving industries and jobs offshore.


WE are to blame.

And WE have still not learned a damn thing from all of this.

 

[saveliberty]

fyi.

SS accounts for 4.4% of GDP in 2008 and Medicare 3.2% of GDP.
Take them away and there is an immediate drop of 7.6% in the GDP.

Not counting Medicaid, etc....
Virtually every dime of those programs are spent in the USA providing jobs and sales of US products.

Please explain what product SS and Medicare produce.

 

[rdean]

Is there a Republican plan for job creation?

fully deregulate industry.
eliminate taxes.
Fire most of the govt workers.
Eliminate SS, Medicare, etc.

Yep what a plan to create jobs

There are some mine workers who have already seen what Republican Deregulation can do. Look up "OSHA" and "Voluntary Compliance" and "Bush" and see what pops up.

Eliminate SS and Medicare and watch the number of homeless swell. Nothing like watching elderly Americans, living in the street. Will Republicans find that "entertaining"? Maybe not as entertaining as lesbian bondage?
Notice how everyone hates government workers, at least until we are hit by another Katrina, or they want their driver's license "NOW!"
Bush got rid of a lot of taxes, on the wealthy. Course, those two wars did something to our debt.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

fully deregulate industry.
eliminate taxes.
Fire most of the govt workers.
Eliminate SS, Medicare, etc.

That's not a "job creation plan". That's the plan to build a third world nation.

 

[Jarhead]

Is there a Republican plan for job creation?

Probablly not.

Plans are not the answer.

Americans got themselves in this mess, let Americans get themselves out of it.

None of us want to fail. So we wont.

Probelm is, many of us refuse to bear the pain of the issues we created for ourselves. They want releif.

I say, deal with the pain and Keep government and their "I know what is best" attitudes out of it

Republican policies got us into this mess.

Believe what you want. Blame who you want. The truth is the truth. There is not a single argumentyoiu can make to prove otherwise.

Americans voted in the law makers.

Americans loved the rewards they received thanks to the lawmakers. High return on their money, low interest loans, all the credit they can get their hands on; easy credit requirements, etc etc etc.

Dont recall anyone back in 2003 saying

"wow, I got a 25% return on my 401K. Something must be wrong. This is not good"

or

"wow, I have no income and I have no job, but I was just told that I was accepted to buy that house with no cash down. This is not good"

or

"wow. I just gave a loan to a man with no job and no income. I made a 5K commision on it. This is not good"

Yep. Americans are to blame.

Americans got themselves in this mess. Americans will get themselves out of it.

 

[Jarhead]

fyi.

SS accounts for 4.4% of GDP in 2008 and Medicare 3.2% of GDP.
Take them away and there is an immediate drop of 7.6% in the GDP.

Not counting Medicaid, etc....
Virtually every dime of those programs are spent in the USA providing jobs and sales of US products.

Please explain what product SS and Medicare produce.

Medicare does.

SS? I just dont see how.

 

[saveliberty]

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Yeah well mostly, but ultimately WE are to blame.
We elect the government, and we seem to keep electing the same losers.
we used our homes as piggy banks instead of homes. We overspent on items we did not really need and went asshole deep in dept.
We bought far bigger homes than we needed thinking they would only go up in value.
We bought Cars and trucks as status symbole instead of what we needed.
We bought cheap import items instead of made in the USA items to support our workers.
We did not boycott industries for moving industries and jobs offshore.


WE are to blame.

And WE have still not learned a damn thing from all of this.

WE can fix this by expecting solid lending requirements, passing a Constitutional amendment at forbids budget deficits, shop local, expanding the age to retirement for SS and reduce the coverage on Medicare.

 

[uscitizen]

fyi.

SS accounts for 4.4% of GDP in 2008 and Medicare 3.2% of GDP.
Take them away and there is an immediate drop of 7.6% in the GDP.

Not counting Medicaid, etc....
Virtually every dime of those programs are spent in the USA providing jobs and sales of US products.

Please explain what product SS and Medicare produce.

You name it the SS recipients spend their money on everything from food, rent, energy, etc. And without Medicare dollars how many Doctors and hospitals woudl go broke?
Drug suppliers, etc.

We are a consumer based economy.
You are not thinking deep enough, look beyond the surface.
In one way or another our govt spending accounts for around 30% of the jobs in this country.

 

[Jarhead]

fyi.

SS accounts for 4.4% of GDP in 2008 and Medicare 3.2% of GDP.
Take them away and there is an immediate drop of 7.6% in the GDP.

Not counting Medicaid, etc....
Virtually every dime of those programs are spent in the USA providing jobs and sales of US products.

Please explain what product SS and Medicare produce.

You name it the SS recipients spend their money on everything from food, rent, energy, etc. And without Medicare dollars how many Doctors and hospitals woudl go broke?
Drug suppliers, etc.

We are a consumer based economy.
You are not thinking deep enough, look beyond the surface.
In one way or another our govt spending accounts for around 30% of the jobs in this country.

SS is not government spending.

It is consumers spending money that was theirs but once held by the government.

You need to look beyond the surface. If the governement did not have it to give the people, the people would have it to spend themselves anyway.

That money came from the employers.

 

[DiamondDave]

Please explain what product SS and Medicare produce.

You name it the SS recipients spend their money on everything from food, rent, energy, etc. And without Medicare dollars how many Doctors and hospitals woudl go broke?
Drug suppliers, etc.

We are a consumer based economy.
You are not thinking deep enough, look beyond the surface.
In one way or another our govt spending accounts for around 30% of the jobs in this country.

SS is not government spending.

It is consumers spending money that was theirs but once held by the government.

You need to look beyond the surface. If the governement did not have it to give the people, the people would have it to spend themselves anyway.

That money came from the employers.

Not to mention all the middlemen and agencies that wasted money in between, before it got passed back.... big government waste in between the time that money was put in and taken out.... THERE'S a good business model

 

[saveliberty]

fyi.

SS accounts for 4.4% of GDP in 2008 and Medicare 3.2% of GDP.
Take them away and there is an immediate drop of 7.6% in the GDP.

Not counting Medicaid, etc....
Virtually every dime of those programs are spent in the USA providing jobs and sales of US products.

Please explain what product SS and Medicare produce.

You name it the SS recipients spend their money on everything from food, rent, energy, etc. And without Medicare dollars how many Doctors and hospitals woudl go broke?
Drug suppliers, etc.

We are a consumer based economy.
You are not thinking deep enough, look beyond the surface.
In one way or another our govt spending accounts for around 30% of the jobs in this country.

GDP stands for - Gross Domestic Product -
The monetary value of all the finished goods and services produced within a country's borders in a specific time period, though GDP is usually calculated on an annual basis. It includes all of private and public consumption, government outlays, investments and exports less imports that occur within a defined territory.

I don't feel SS and Medicare fit this definition. They are a return of funds saved by individuals. It is not really a government outlay or product produced by the government. It is a private consumption, but it distorts the real need of product to be produced in order to be sustainable economic growth.

 

[uscitizen]

Please explain what product SS and Medicare produce.

You name it the SS recipients spend their money on everything from food, rent, energy, etc. And without Medicare dollars how many Doctors and hospitals woudl go broke?
Drug suppliers, etc.

We are a consumer based economy.
You are not thinking deep enough, look beyond the surface.
In one way or another our govt spending accounts for around 30% of the jobs in this country.

SS is not government spending.

It is consumers spending money that was theirs but once held by the government.

You need to look beyond the surface. If the governement did not have it to give the people, the people would have it to spend themselves anyway.

That money came from the employers.

How many would still have that money to spend if the govt had not "kept it for them"?

How many recipients draw out far more in benefits than they paid in?
True some die before drawing anything, like I will.

your diversion attempt is weak.

what about Medicare, meidcaid, etc?

 

[FrankieGA]

How could anyone be surprised that Jobless claims increased? They are not counting the hundreds of thousands, at least, of workers who don't receive unemployment and still are looking for jobs. Face it, this administration is in serious trouble in the near future......

 

[saveliberty]

How many would still have that money to spend if the govt had not "kept it for them"?

How many recipients draw out far more in benefits than they paid in?
True some die before drawing anything, like I will.

your diversion attempt is weak.

what about Medicare, meidcaid, etc?

Quite a few people are saving for retirement, that argument is weak.

The system was in positive cash flow before it was raided.

Hope you are wrong and get to draw a very long time.

The point was counting government redistribution as a product or service is really not a good reflection of GDP.

 

[uscitizen]

Yeah people save for retirement. Look at the stats on that. Something like 15% or less save enough for retirement.

 

[FrankieGA]

I wonder why? Could it be because the Fed's already take a large portion of their income for themselves and leave them very little to save, thus making them dependent on the Fed Gov't for their lives in retirement. Wait isn't that sort of Socialist?

Ah what do us crazy Righties know about anything.

 

[Jarhead]

You name it the SS recipients spend their money on everything from food, rent, energy, etc. And without Medicare dollars how many Doctors and hospitals woudl go broke?
Drug suppliers, etc.

We are a consumer based economy.
You are not thinking deep enough, look beyond the surface.
In one way or another our govt spending accounts for around 30% of the jobs in this country.

SS is not government spending.

It is consumers spending money that was theirs but once held by the government.

You need to look beyond the surface. If the governement did not have it to give the people, the people would have it to spend themselves anyway.

That money came from the employers.

How many would still have that money to spend if the govt had not "kept it for them"?

How many recipients draw out far more in benefits than they paid in?
True some die before drawing anything, like I will.

your diversion attempt is weak.

what about Medicare, meidcaid, etc?

I already said that Medicare is government spending and yes, creates a demand for product.

And I did not divert. But you may assume I did if you wish.

Look at what you said. It actually supports what I said.

If they did NOT save that money, that means they would have spent it!

As for you. I like you. I hope your health is not an issue.