Increase in Cigarette tax from roughly 80 cents to $2.50 on ballot in Colorado

[g5000]

It's so odd. For libs, Weed = Good. Tobacco = Bad.

So they don't tax pot, eh?

Wrong!

Colorado Raised More Tax Revenue From Marijuana Than Alcohol

It clocked in at $70 million last fiscal year alone.

The difference is the Tax on Tobacco is becoming far more punitive than simple revenue enhancement.

The irony of all this is the government is at the same time fighting the "improved cigarette", otherwise known as vaping. It removes all of the detriments of combustion products, and allows nicotine absorption without the said combustion product issues.

Taxes on cigarettes and booze (and now pot) are classic Pigovian taxes.

I have mixed feelings about Pigovian taxes. On the one hand, they are consumption taxes and thus reduce the pressure to increase taxes on production. On the other hand, they are pure social engineering by the government.

its more of a sin tax, than a pigovian tax

"Sin tax" is a colloquialism for Pigovian tax. They both serve the same purpose, with very little distinction between them.

 

[Fenton Lum]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It's been statistically proven since the 1960s that smoking kills before it runs up the cost of medical care FOR ALL.

You really should link wild shit like that.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Exactly, the black market will be more active.

Liberals love to make decisions for you.

Cigarettes should either be legal or illegal. Taxes of over 100% is ridiculous.

It's so odd. For libs, Weed = Good. Tobacco = Bad.

Sit back and let them decide how YOU should live YOUR life.

Only about 20% of Americans identify as liberals

Most Americans Identify as Either Conservative or Moderate

Unfortunately, the 20% seem to be running the show for the rest of us because our Republican congress are on the Washington gravy train.

Naw, you've got a system within which ~1% of the folks are in charge and everyone who runs for office works in their interest; societal wealth extraction.

 

[g5000]

The taxes on cigarettes and booze were sold as Pigovian taxes. A way to pay for the externalities of cigarette and alcohol use. Increased health care costs, drunk driving accidents, etc.

The pot tax was sold as a sin tax. "Let's legalize pot so we can tax it!"

A "fat tax", if there ever is one, will also be sold as a Pigovian tax.

 

[martybegan]

It's so odd. For libs, Weed = Good. Tobacco = Bad.

So they don't tax pot, eh?

Wrong!

Colorado Raised More Tax Revenue From Marijuana Than Alcohol

It clocked in at $70 million last fiscal year alone.

The difference is the Tax on Tobacco is becoming far more punitive than simple revenue enhancement.

The irony of all this is the government is at the same time fighting the "improved cigarette", otherwise known as vaping. It removes all of the detriments of combustion products, and allows nicotine absorption without the said combustion product issues.

Taxes on cigarettes and booze (and now pot) are classic Pigovian taxes.

I have mixed feelings about Pigovian taxes. On the one hand, they are consumption taxes and thus reduce the pressure to increase taxes on production. On the other hand, they are pure social engineering by the government.

I agree. however only Cigarette Taxes have been aggressively raised in the past two decades. As a non-smoker* (never smoked a cigarette ever, but I do smoke 2-3 stogies a year, and have done hookah a few times) I don't have it coming out of my pocket, but it will lead to taxes on other items of consumption that do impact me.

I don't mind the government making some $$ off my beer and scotch, as long as they don't go nuts about it, and make is purely a revenue thing, not a detriment thing like we currently see with cigarettes.

 

[Timmy]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

If smokers are poor then it's a guarantee they will become medical wards of the state when their health goes to shit .

 

[martybegan]

The taxes on cigarettes and booze were sold as Pigovian taxes. A way to pay for the externalities of cigarette and alcohol use. Increased health care costs, drunk driving accidents, etc.

The pot tax was sold as a sin tax. "Let's legalize pot so we can tax it!"

A "fat tax", if there ever is one, will also be sold as a Pigovian tax.

Maybe the current versions, but back in the day (pre-prohibition) they were just seen as an easy stream of revenue. Hell, in pre-industrial times it was safer to drink beer than water.

 

[g5000]

It's so odd. For libs, Weed = Good. Tobacco = Bad.

So they don't tax pot, eh?

Wrong!

Colorado Raised More Tax Revenue From Marijuana Than Alcohol

It clocked in at $70 million last fiscal year alone.

The difference is the Tax on Tobacco is becoming far more punitive than simple revenue enhancement.

The irony of all this is the government is at the same time fighting the "improved cigarette", otherwise known as vaping. It removes all of the detriments of combustion products, and allows nicotine absorption without the said combustion product issues.

Taxes on cigarettes and booze (and now pot) are classic Pigovian taxes.

I have mixed feelings about Pigovian taxes. On the one hand, they are consumption taxes and thus reduce the pressure to increase taxes on production. On the other hand, they are pure social engineering by the government.

I agree. however only Cigarette Taxes have been aggressively raised in the past two decades. As a non-smoker* (never smoked a cigarette ever, but I do smoke 2-3 stogies a year, and have done hookah a few times) I don't have it coming out of my pocket, but it will lead to taxes on other items of consumption that do impact me.

I don't mind the government making some $$ off my beer and scotch, as long as they don't go nuts about it, and make is purely a revenue thing, not a detriment thing like we currently see with cigarettes.

The cigarette tax here was deliberately aimed at making tobacco stores shut down. And to that end, it has been very successful. There are still a few here and there, but much less than before.

But you can still buy your cigs at the gas station, just like since time immemorial.

And now pot stores are opening up all over the place. There are more pot stores in my town than there were tobacco stores.

Fricking liberals are seriously schizo.

 

[PurpleOwl]

It's so odd. For libs, Weed = Good. Tobacco = Bad.

So they don't tax pot, eh?

Wrong!

Colorado Raised More Tax Revenue From Marijuana Than Alcohol

It clocked in at $70 million last fiscal year alone.

The difference is the Tax on Tobacco is becoming far more punitive than simple revenue enhancement.

The irony of all this is the government is at the same time fighting the "improved cigarette", otherwise known as vaping. It removes all of the detriments of combustion products, and allows nicotine absorption without the said combustion product issues.

Taxes on cigarettes and booze (and now pot) are classic Pigovian taxes.

I have mixed feelings about Pigovian taxes. On the one hand, they are consumption taxes and thus reduce the pressure to increase taxes on production. On the other hand, they are pure social engineering by the government.

its more of a sin tax, than a pigovian tax

"Sin tax" is a colloquialism for Pigovian tax. They both serve the same purpose, with very little distinction between them.

Sin tax is more for something that is bad for you, like porn taxes, liquor and gambling taxes etc, while pigovian tax is more of an economic term for a tax created out of a social need from something, for example taxing a gold mine to pay for water filtration because they are dumping chemicals in the towns drinking water

 

[martybegan]

It's so odd. For libs, Weed = Good. Tobacco = Bad.

So they don't tax pot, eh?

Wrong!

Colorado Raised More Tax Revenue From Marijuana Than Alcohol

It clocked in at $70 million last fiscal year alone.

The difference is the Tax on Tobacco is becoming far more punitive than simple revenue enhancement.

The irony of all this is the government is at the same time fighting the "improved cigarette", otherwise known as vaping. It removes all of the detriments of combustion products, and allows nicotine absorption without the said combustion product issues.

Taxes on cigarettes and booze (and now pot) are classic Pigovian taxes.

I have mixed feelings about Pigovian taxes. On the one hand, they are consumption taxes and thus reduce the pressure to increase taxes on production. On the other hand, they are pure social engineering by the government.

I agree. however only Cigarette Taxes have been aggressively raised in the past two decades. As a non-smoker* (never smoked a cigarette ever, but I do smoke 2-3 stogies a year, and have done hookah a few times) I don't have it coming out of my pocket, but it will lead to taxes on other items of consumption that do impact me.

I don't mind the government making some $$ off my beer and scotch, as long as they don't go nuts about it, and make is purely a revenue thing, not a detriment thing like we currently see with cigarettes.

The cigarette tax here was deliberately aimed at making tobacco stores shut down. And to that end, it has been very successful. There are still a few here and there, but much less than before.

But you can still buy your cigs at the gas station, just like since time immemorial.

And now pot stores are opening up all over the place. There are more pot stores in my town than there were tobacco stores.

Fricking liberals are seriously schizo.

Consistency has never been one of their strong points.

 

[g5000]

So they don't tax pot, eh?

Wrong!

Colorado Raised More Tax Revenue From Marijuana Than Alcohol

The difference is the Tax on Tobacco is becoming far more punitive than simple revenue enhancement.

The irony of all this is the government is at the same time fighting the "improved cigarette", otherwise known as vaping. It removes all of the detriments of combustion products, and allows nicotine absorption without the said combustion product issues.

Taxes on cigarettes and booze (and now pot) are classic Pigovian taxes.

I have mixed feelings about Pigovian taxes. On the one hand, they are consumption taxes and thus reduce the pressure to increase taxes on production. On the other hand, they are pure social engineering by the government.

its more of a sin tax, than a pigovian tax

"Sin tax" is a colloquialism for Pigovian tax. They both serve the same purpose, with very little distinction between them.

Sin tax is more for something that is bad for you, like porn taxes, liquor and gambling taxes etc, while pigovian tax is more of an economic term for a tax created out of a social need from something, for example taxing a gold mine to pay for water filtration because they are dumping chemicals in the towns drinking water

That is exactly how cigarette and alcohol taxes are sold. To pay for all the health care costs of smokers and for the toll of drunk driving accidents and alcoholism. That's the Pigovian angle.

In recent years, they have also targeted tobacco stores, which is more in line with the "sin tax" angle.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

I remember when I was a kid my Dad was a smoker and he saw these pictures and quit the next day. Smokers need to pay EXTRA. a lot extra in taxes if they are going to pollute themselves and our environment. Or else make sure they have millions to pay for their medical care when they get emphysema, COPD, or lung cancer. My brother died from smoking. He was only 55 years old. Smokers need to wake the fuck up and pay the tax.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It's been statistically proven since the 1960s that smoking kills before it runs up the cost of medical care FOR ALL.

So do fat fucks who eat doughnuts and don't exercise. By your logic, we should have a VERY high tax on anything with sugar. Maybe we should charge an extra income tax on those who do not exercise.

Explain to me the logic of the tax. Is it going to healthcare? Specifically how much of the tax is going to healthcare for smokers?

Go ahead and try to twist what I said, and deflect from the facts.
And since you started the topic, why don't YOU answer your own questions, yah lazy ass.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It's been statistically proven since the 1960s that smoking kills before it runs up the cost of medical care FOR ALL.

You really should link wild shit like that.

No problem. I'm stupefied that anyone who walks, breathes and talks doesn't know this already.

The Reports of the Surgeon General: The 1964 Report on Smoking and Health

Pick a link, any link you choose.


Cigarette smoking costs weigh heavily on the healthcare system ...
www.reuters.com/.../us-healthcare-costs-smoking-idUSKBN0JX2BE20141219
Reuters
Dec 19, 2014 - Smoking-related healthcare costs affect most types of medical care, said ... “Smoking infiltrates the entire body, through the blood stream, and ...
Tobacco: The True Cost of Smoking | American Cancer Society
www.cancer.org › ... › Cancer Infographics Gallery
American Cancer Society
This infographic illustrates the true financial cost and physical harm that smoking and tobacco use causes to the smoker and to society at large.
Health Care Costs among Smokers, Former Smokers, and Never ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../PMC13...
National Center for Biotechnology Information
by PA Fishman - ‎2003 - ‎Cited by 60 - ‎Related articles
This decrease maintains throughout the six-year follow-up period. ... Health care costs among former smokers increase relative to continuing smokers in the year ...
Medical costs of smoking in the United States: estimates, their validity ...
tobaccocontrol.bmj.com › Volume 8, Issue 3
The BMJ
by KE Warner - ‎1999 - ‎Cited by 201 - ‎Related articles
Estimation of the medical costs associated with smoking-produced illness dates ... those costs net of the reductions in other, later healthcare coststhat many smokers do ... Through this search process, we identified six publications that met the ..... are non-smokers.25They drink more alcohol, exercise less, and even drive ...
CDC - Fact Sheet - Fast Facts - Smoking & Tobacco Use
www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data.../fast_facts/
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Dec 11, 2015 - Smoking costs the United States billions of dollars each year.1,5 ... Nearly $170 billion in direct medical care for adults5; More than $156 billion ...
Impact of smoking habit on medical care use and its costs: a ...
ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/3/616.long
International Journal of Epidemiology
by Y Izumi - ‎2001 - ‎Cited by 74 - ‎Related articles
The effect of smoking on medical care utilization and its costs might be more serious ... When a beneficiary was withdrawn from the NHI, we stopped following up ...

 

[Moonglow]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

Really? Then why is the GOP lead legislature in Mizzouri wanting to do the same? They want to use it for road improvements and early child care...

 

[PurpleOwl]

The difference is the Tax on Tobacco is becoming far more punitive than simple revenue enhancement.

The irony of all this is the government is at the same time fighting the "improved cigarette", otherwise known as vaping. It removes all of the detriments of combustion products, and allows nicotine absorption without the said combustion product issues.

Taxes on cigarettes and booze (and now pot) are classic Pigovian taxes.

I have mixed feelings about Pigovian taxes. On the one hand, they are consumption taxes and thus reduce the pressure to increase taxes on production. On the other hand, they are pure social engineering by the government.

its more of a sin tax, than a pigovian tax

"Sin tax" is a colloquialism for Pigovian tax. They both serve the same purpose, with very little distinction between them.

Sin tax is more for something that is bad for you, like porn taxes, liquor and gambling taxes etc, while pigovian tax is more of an economic term for a tax created out of a social need from something, for example taxing a gold mine to pay for water filtration because they are dumping chemicals in the towns drinking water

That is exactly how cigarette and alcohol taxes are sold. To pay for all the health care costs of smokers and for the toll of drunk driving accidents and alcoholism. That's the Pigovian angle.

In recent years, they have also targeted tobacco stores, which is more in line with the "sin tax" angle.

right? but you can describe all taxes as "pigovian" with that vague of a definition. cigarettes are taxed because they want people to stop using them and can't generate enough popular support to outlaw them,which makes this a sin tax. Also, marijuana taxes only exist to coerce popular support for its legalization which also makes them a sin tax

Pigovian tax - Wikipedia

 

[Fenton Lum]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It's been statistically proven since the 1960s that smoking kills before it runs up the cost of medical care FOR ALL.

You really should link wild shit like that.

No problem. I'm stupefied that anyone who walks, breathes and talks doesn't know this already.

The Reports of the Surgeon General: The 1964 Report on Smoking and Health

Pick a link, any link you choose.


Cigarette smoking costs weigh heavily on the healthcare system ...
www.reuters.com/.../us-healthcare-costs-smoking-idUSKBN0JX2BE20141219
Reuters
Dec 19, 2014 - Smoking-related healthcare costs affect most types of medical care, said ... “Smoking infiltrates the entire body, through the blood stream, and ...
Tobacco: The True Cost of Smoking | American Cancer Society
www.cancer.org › ... › Cancer Infographics Gallery
American Cancer Society
This infographic illustrates the true financial cost and physical harm that smoking and tobacco use causes to the smoker and to society at large.
Health Care Costs among Smokers, Former Smokers, and Never ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../PMC13...
National Center for Biotechnology Information
by PA Fishman - ‎2003 - ‎Cited by 60 - ‎Related articles
This decrease maintains throughout the six-year follow-up period. ... Health care costs among former smokers increase relative to continuing smokers in the year ...
Medical costs of smoking in the United States: estimates, their validity ...
tobaccocontrol.bmj.com › Volume 8, Issue 3
The BMJ
by KE Warner - ‎1999 - ‎Cited by 201 - ‎Related articles
Estimation of the medical costs associated with smoking-produced illness dates ... those costs net of the reductions in other, later healthcare coststhat many smokers do ... Through this search process, we identified six publications that met the ..... are non-smokers.25They drink more alcohol, exercise less, and even drive ...
CDC - Fact Sheet - Fast Facts - Smoking & Tobacco Use
www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data.../fast_facts/
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Dec 11, 2015 - Smoking costs the United States billions of dollars each year.1,5 ... Nearly $170 billion in direct medical care for adults5; More than $156 billion ...
Impact of smoking habit on medical care use and its costs: a ...
ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/3/616.long
International Journal of Epidemiology
by Y Izumi - ‎2001 - ‎Cited by 74 - ‎Related articles
The effect of smoking on medical care utilization and its costs might be more serious ... When a beneficiary was withdrawn from the NHI, we stopped following up ...

Sure:

Smoking leads to disease and disability and harms nearly every organ of the body.1

• More than 16 million Americans are living with a disease caused by smoking.
• For every person who dies because of smoking, at least 30 people live with a serious smoking-related illness.
• Smoking causes cancer, heart disease, stroke, lung diseases, diabetes, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis.
• Smoking also increases risk for tuberculosis, certain eye diseases, and problems of the immune system, including rheumatoid arthritis.
• Smoking is a known cause of erectile dysfunction in males.

Smoking is the leading cause of preventable death.

• Worldwide, tobacco use causes nearly 6 million deaths per year, and current trends show that tobacco use will cause more than 8 million deaths annually by 2030.2
• Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including nearly 42,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.1
• On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.3
• If smoking continues at the current rate among U.S. youth, 5.6 million of today’s Americans younger than 18 years of age are expected to die prematurely from a smoking-related illness. This represents about one in every 13 Americans aged 17 years or younger who are alive today.1

 

[g5000]

Taxes on cigarettes and booze (and now pot) are classic Pigovian taxes.

I have mixed feelings about Pigovian taxes. On the one hand, they are consumption taxes and thus reduce the pressure to increase taxes on production. On the other hand, they are pure social engineering by the government.

its more of a sin tax, than a pigovian tax

"Sin tax" is a colloquialism for Pigovian tax. They both serve the same purpose, with very little distinction between them.

Sin tax is more for something that is bad for you, like porn taxes, liquor and gambling taxes etc, while pigovian tax is more of an economic term for a tax created out of a social need from something, for example taxing a gold mine to pay for water filtration because they are dumping chemicals in the towns drinking water

That is exactly how cigarette and alcohol taxes are sold. To pay for all the health care costs of smokers and for the toll of drunk driving accidents and alcoholism. That's the Pigovian angle.

In recent years, they have also targeted tobacco stores, which is more in line with the "sin tax" angle.

right? but you can describe all taxes as "pigovian" with that vague of a definition. cigarettes are taxed because they want people to stop using them and can't generate enough popular support to outlaw them,which makes this a sin tax. Also, marijuana taxes only exist to coerce popular support for its legalization which also makes them a sin tax

Pigovian tax - Wikipedia

To me, sin taxes and Pigovian taxes are a distinction without a difference.

 

[Timmy]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

Really? Then why is the GOP lead legislature in Mizzouri wanting to do the same? They want to use it for road improvements and early child care...

It's all the taxpayer pot anyway.

 

[martybegan]

I remember when I was a kid my Dad was a smoker and he saw these pictures and quit the next day. Smokers need to pay EXTRA. a lot extra in taxes if they are going to pollute themselves and our environment. Or else make sure they have millions to pay for their medical care when they get emphysema, COPD, or lung cancer. My brother died from smoking. He was only 55 years old. Smokers need to wake the fuck up and pay the tax.

Why don't we tax people who participate in extreme sports due to their added costs to the health care system? Why not extend it to fat people?