Increase in Cigarette tax from roughly 80 cents to $2.50 on ballot in Colorado

[PurpleOwl]

its more of a sin tax, than a pigovian tax

"Sin tax" is a colloquialism for Pigovian tax. They both serve the same purpose, with very little distinction between them.

Sin tax is more for something that is bad for you, like porn taxes, liquor and gambling taxes etc, while pigovian tax is more of an economic term for a tax created out of a social need from something, for example taxing a gold mine to pay for water filtration because they are dumping chemicals in the towns drinking water

That is exactly how cigarette and alcohol taxes are sold. To pay for all the health care costs of smokers and for the toll of drunk driving accidents and alcoholism. That's the Pigovian angle.

In recent years, they have also targeted tobacco stores, which is more in line with the "sin tax" angle.

right? but you can describe all taxes as "pigovian" with that vague of a definition. cigarettes are taxed because they want people to stop using them and can't generate enough popular support to outlaw them,which makes this a sin tax. Also, marijuana taxes only exist to coerce popular support for its legalization which also makes them a sin tax

Pigovian tax - Wikipedia

To me, sin taxes and Pigovian taxes are a distinction without a difference.

pigovian taxes can be described as taxes that exist, but might not exist on paper, so for example alcohol causes an increase in crime which leads to an increase in taxes to pay for prisons and police but that tax might not "exist" as its own separate tax on liquor manufacturers. Understand?

A sin tax however could be on something that has little, to no, negative economic impact at all. Like a pornography tax which although the municipality might use the "porn tax" to pay for road, bridges, or even abstinence classes at the high school. The externalized costs (from having legal porno) either dont exist, or would exist without any correlation to whether or not pornography is legal

Sin tax - Wikipedia

 

[rightwinger]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It is a tax on stupid people rich or poor

 

[PurpleOwl]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It is a tax on stupid people rich or poor

its also a regressive flat tax

 

[paulitician]

Greedy Fascists.

 

[martybegan]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It is a tax on stupid people rich or poor

No, the Lottery is a tax on stupid people.

That being said I play every week, but I know I can't win more than a few dollars. For me its the action, not the end result.

 

[Seawytch]

It's so odd. For libs, Weed = Good. Tobacco = Bad.

So they don't tax pot, eh?

Wrong!

Colorado Raised More Tax Revenue From Marijuana Than Alcohol

It clocked in at $70 million last fiscal year alone.

The difference is the Tax on Tobacco is becoming far more punitive than simple revenue enhancement.

The irony of all this is the government is at the same time fighting the "improved cigarette", otherwise known as vaping. It removes all of the detriments of combustion products, and allows nicotine absorption without the said combustion product issues.

Taxes on cigarettes and booze (and now pot) are classic Pigovian taxes.

I have mixed feelings about Pigovian taxes. On the one hand, they are consumption taxes and thus reduce the pressure to increase taxes on production. On the other hand, they are pure social engineering by the government.

But do they work?

https://www.acscan.org/pdf/tobacco/reports/acscan-tobacco-taxes-report.pdf

 

[rightwinger]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It is a tax on stupid people rich or poor

No, the Lottery is a tax on stupid people.

That being said I play every week, but I know I can't win more than a few dollars. For me its the action, not the end result.

I would say smokers are dumber than lottery players

 

[PurpleOwl]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It is a tax on stupid people rich or poor

No, the Lottery is a tax on stupid people.

That being said I play every week, but I know I can't win more than a few dollars. For me its the action, not the end result.

I would say smokers are dumber than lottery players

smokers dont lose their house and their life savings on cigarettes

 

[martybegan]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It is a tax on stupid people rich or poor

No, the Lottery is a tax on stupid people.

That being said I play every week, but I know I can't win more than a few dollars. For me its the action, not the end result.

I would say smokers are dumber than lottery players

Since I only do 2-3 stogies a year, I have to say a nicotine buzz is pretty freaking awesome, so I can see the draw, but I don't enjoy it enough to do it full time. (brushing after a stogie to get the taste out of your mouth takes for freaking ever) To me smokers are no dumber than any other people who do things that are bad for them.

That being said the whole issue may become moot once vaping becomes more and more prevalent.

 

[martybegan]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It is a tax on stupid people rich or poor

No, the Lottery is a tax on stupid people.

That being said I play every week, but I know I can't win more than a few dollars. For me its the action, not the end result.

I would say smokers are dumber than lottery players

smokers dont lose their house and their life savings on cigarettes

Neither do most gamblers. My habit is $14 in lottery tickets a week, A few hundred during football season on pools and fantasy, and a trip to AC or Vegas every other year. And there I feel pains when I lose more than $300 or so (which makes me stop)

 

[toxicmedia]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

In Davis California...you cannot smoke in the city limits, unless you're on private property.

We have a ballot proposition increasing cigarette taxes out here too.

I just quit smoking 5 months ago...and nearly have all my friends back. I was quite an ass hole when I quit, for a while.

Smokers will feel a lot better if they just quit!

And nobody is telling you that you can't smoke, except in Davis...they're just charging you more

 

[PurpleOwl]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It is a tax on stupid people rich or poor

No, the Lottery is a tax on stupid people.

That being said I play every week, but I know I can't win more than a few dollars. For me its the action, not the end result.

I would say smokers are dumber than lottery players

smokers dont lose their house and their life savings on cigarettes

Neither do most gamblers. My habit is $14 in lottery tickets a week, A few hundred during football season on pools and fantasy, and a trip to AC or Vegas every other year. And there I feel pains when I lose more than $300 or so (which makes me stop)

most people who eat sugary and fatty foods dont weigh 500lbs either, that doesn't mean addiction isn't real

 

[Rustic]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

Anything the government does is wasteful, fraud and abuse

 

[Rustic]

Nanny state

 

[Rustic]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It's been statistically proven since the 1960s that smoking kills before it runs up the cost of medical care FOR ALL.

Collectivism sucks ass

 

[rightwinger]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It is a tax on stupid people rich or poor

No, the Lottery is a tax on stupid people.

That being said I play every week, but I know I can't win more than a few dollars. For me its the action, not the end result.

I would say smokers are dumber than lottery players

smokers dont lose their house and their life savings on cigarettes

If I spend $5 on lottery tickets I am betting on winning millions of dollars
If I spend $5 on cigarettes, I am betting on getting cancer

 

[PurpleOwl]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

It's been statistically proven since the 1960s that smoking kills before it runs up the cost of medical care FOR ALL.

Collectivism sucks ass

if use the quote button you can reply to everybody in one post instead of 3 or 10

 

[Rustic]

It's statistically proven that smokers earn less than non smokers.

This tax will punish the poor. Why are liberals so cruel? They obviously hate the poor.

In Davis California...you cannot smoke in the city limits, unless you're on private property.

We have a ballot proposition increasing cigarette taxes out here too.

I just quit smoking 5 months ago...and nearly have all my friends back. I was quite an ass hole when I quit, for a while.

Smokers will feel a lot better if they just quit!

And nobody is telling you that you can't smoke, except in Davis...they're just charging you more

Do whatever the collective tells you to do, and you will not be punished… LOL

 

[Timmy]

Nanny state

Should we not provide smokers wh medical treatment?

 

[Rustic]

It is a tax on stupid people rich or poor

No, the Lottery is a tax on stupid people.

That being said I play every week, but I know I can't win more than a few dollars. For me its the action, not the end result.

I would say smokers are dumber than lottery players

smokers dont lose their house and their life savings on cigarettes

Neither do most gamblers. My habit is $14 in lottery tickets a week, A few hundred during football season on pools and fantasy, and a trip to AC or Vegas every other year. And there I feel pains when I lose more than $300 or so (which makes me stop)

most people who eat sugary and fatty foods dont weigh 500lbs either, that doesn't mean addiction isn't real

The collective says it's bad, so it must be…