In the wake of recent news, something to think about

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This might seem on the wrong board but it is relevant to all that are concerned with issues of the middle east

Slate Intern Schools Imam in Proper Meaning of the Koran

pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/01/09/slate-intern-schools-imam-in-proper-meaning-of-the-koran
No, seriously:

In the wake of the attack on Charlie Hebdo’s offices in Paris, much has been made of the sometimes violent responses of extremists to the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed. Radical Islamic cleric Anjem Choudary didn’t help alleviate the stigma against the hundreds of millions of Muslims that devote to their faith peacefully.

In an op-ed in USA Today on Thursday, Choudary seemed to try to justify the attacks. “[T]he potential consequences of insulting the Messenger Muhammad are known to Muslims and non-Muslims alike,” Choudary said. “The strict punishment if found guilty of this crime under sharia (Islamic law) is capital punishment implementable by an Islamic State,” he continued.

Choudary, radical extremists, and anti-Islam polemicists alike often resort to quoting scripture out of context, or taking advantage of transliteration, as a way to distort the messages of Islam. Sharia law varies upon interpretations of scripture—and like any religion, some interpretations are more radical than others…

The Quran doesn’t explicitly ban depictions of Mohammed, and it certainly does not call for violence against those who display such images, even in a mocking or offensive way. The Hadith does ban images of Mohammed, the relatives of Mohammed, Allah, and all the major prophets.

You can ready Choudary’s musings here. Sample:

Contrary to popular misconception, Islam does not mean peace but rather means submission to the commands of Allah alone. Therefore, Muslims do not believe in the concept of freedom of expression, as their speech and actions are determined by divine revelation and not based on people’s desires.

Although Muslims may not agree about the idea of freedom of expression, even non-Muslims who espouse it say it comes with responsibilities. In an increasingly unstable and insecure world, the potential consequences of insulting the Messenger Muhammad are known to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Muslims consider the honor of the Prophet Muhammad to be dearer to them than that of their parents or even themselves. To defend it is considered to be an obligation upon them. The strict punishment if found guilty of this crime under sharia (Islamic law) is capital punishment implementable by an Islamic State. This is because the Messenger Muhammad said, “Whoever insults a Prophet kill him.”

Sarah Harvard, the author of the Slate piece, by the way, is an intern at the on-line magazine. According to USA Today, “Anjem Choudary is a radical Muslim cleric in London and a lecturer in sharia.” So who you gonna believe?
 
This might seem on the wrong board but it is relevant to all that are concerned with issues of the middle east

Slate Intern Schools Imam in Proper Meaning of the Koran

pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/01/09/slate-intern-schools-imam-in-proper-meaning-of-the-koran
No, seriously:

In the wake of the attack on Charlie Hebdo’s offices in Paris, much has been made of the sometimes violent responses of extremists to the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed. Radical Islamic cleric Anjem Choudary didn’t help alleviate the stigma against the hundreds of millions of Muslims that devote to their faith peacefully.

In an op-ed in USA Today on Thursday, Choudary seemed to try to justify the attacks. “[T]he potential consequences of insulting the Messenger Muhammad are known to Muslims and non-Muslims alike,” Choudary said. “The strict punishment if found guilty of this crime under sharia (Islamic law) is capital punishment implementable by an Islamic State,” he continued.

Choudary, radical extremists, and anti-Islam polemicists alike often resort to quoting scripture out of context, or taking advantage of transliteration, as a way to distort the messages of Islam. Sharia law varies upon interpretations of scripture—and like any religion, some interpretations are more radical than others…

The Quran doesn’t explicitly ban depictions of Mohammed, and it certainly does not call for violence against those who display such images, even in a mocking or offensive way. The Hadith does ban images of Mohammed, the relatives of Mohammed, Allah, and all the major prophets.

You can ready Choudary’s musings here. Sample:

Contrary to popular misconception, Islam does not mean peace but rather means submission to the commands of Allah alone. Therefore, Muslims do not believe in the concept of freedom of expression, as their speech and actions are determined by divine revelation and not based on people’s desires.

Although Muslims may not agree about the idea of freedom of expression, even non-Muslims who espouse it say it comes with responsibilities. In an increasingly unstable and insecure world, the potential consequences of insulting the Messenger Muhammad are known to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Muslims consider the honor of the Prophet Muhammad to be dearer to them than that of their parents or even themselves. To defend it is considered to be an obligation upon them. The strict punishment if found guilty of this crime under sharia (Islamic law) is capital punishment implementable by an Islamic State. This is because the Messenger Muhammad said, “Whoever insults a Prophet kill him.”

Sarah Harvard, the author of the Slate piece, by the way, is an intern at the on-line magazine. According to USA Today, “Anjem Choudary is a radical Muslim cleric in London and a lecturer in sharia.” So who you gonna believe?

A lot of the problems we see today are caused by radical Muslim clerics like Choudary who incite the people toward violence. If only these types of clergy could be locked away someplace and only the other clergy are left to preach, there would certainly be more peace in the world.
 
Choudray has a tiny back street mosque with less than 20 members.

But the western media likes to hang on his every word.

As though he is a major scholar of Islam. ..... :cuckoo:
 
Choudray has a tiny back street mosque with less than 20 members.

But the western media likes to hang on his every word.

As though he is a major scholar of Islam. ..... :cuckoo:
Western medias hailed the Islamist terrorists in Syria for years. The Choudray guy must truly be their brother in media.
So many antagonism. Antagonism seems to be their faith.
 
Choudray has a tiny back street mosque with less than 20 members.

But the western media likes to hang on his every word.

As though he is a major scholar of Islam. ..... :cuckoo:
So you now deny what he says?
 
The marches in France and throughout europe in support of free speech and against the attack on jews by large sectors of the muslim population is great but long over due. They are saying that the brutality in the name of Islam is antithetical to the intent of Islam.
An attack and a threat on other European news papers are examples of the disconnect of differing teachings of Islam and the degree of blind stupid hate by the few that give a bad name to muslims everywhere.
The support today should have been expressed after 9/11 and after the riots over the dutch cartoons. I understand that world leaders going to NY to attend a mass or march against the attacks would have caused more chaos with the fires were still being put, cleanup was going on and there was too little information of the numbers of dead or injured was unknown. There were other ways to have shown dramatic support like what is happening in paris. Muslim leaders around the world should have been more visible and outspoken against. There should have been more debate and openness of what Islam was and was not. They should have been on every major news source over and over for the last 14 years teaching muslims and non-muslims what is expected and acceptable in Islam towards everyone of any gender, race or religion.
I hope this opens a dialogue and examination of the quran and Islam by every corner. I hope the muslim community brings an end to radicalism and turns over those teaching it and recruiting terrorists and fighters.
 
--aris is having an optimistic day---HOWEVER----the point is well made that there are so many RIFTS amongst muslims -----and what does
seem to happen to "rifted" societies is that the younger
members get to see paradox and their developing and
idealistic minds ------want LOGIC
 
Choudray has a tiny back street mosque with less than 20 members.

But the western media likes to hang on his every word.

As though he is a major scholar of Islam. ..... :cuckoo:

His act and those of his cell made a giant statement on the world in the name of Islam
 

I will never speak to you again-----long ago---I read an
important book "THE RIGHT PARIETAL LOBE"---
by an English scientist Critchley. ---he recounted an
event ----demonstrating the malfunction of the right
parietal lobe------I was excited-----the person with the defective right parietal lobe said.......... there followed three pages of FRENCH--------uhm francais, uhm no francais senora--
nada -----gornisht
 

I will never speak to you again-----long ago---I read an
important book "THE RIGHT PARIETAL LOBE"---
by an English scientist Critchley. ---he recounted an
event ----demonstrating the malfunction of the right
parietal lobe------I was excited-----the person with the defective right parietal lobe said.......... there followed three pages of FRENCH--------uhm francais, uhm no francais senora--
nada -----gornisht

I did not think my translation would be accepted as a valid news source.
I posted another news source that was in english covering the event
 

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