In-Depth Fortune Story on "Fast & Furious" Paints Totally Different Picture Than Issa

[Political Junky]

And The National Review, too.

Too Fast, Too Furious - Robert VerBruggen - National Review Online

 

[ConservaDerrps]

And The National Review, too.

Too Fast, Too Furious - Robert VerBruggen - National Review Online

Hahahahaha!

Man the wheels are coming off this cocksucker fast.

 

[Oldstyle]

And The National Review, too.

Too Fast, Too Furious - Robert VerBruggen - National Review Online

Hahahahaha!

Man the wheels are coming off this cocksucker fast.

Not quite sure how you figure it that way, Conserva...you've got Eric Holder about to be found in contempt of Congress and estimates are that some 20 Democrats will join that vote. The fact is, the whole premise behind Fast & Furious was SO stupid that it's hard to come up with a "reason" for it that makes sense. Heads should have rolled over this program but Eric Holder made the call to stonewall it. That shouldn't surprise anyone. When he was asked about his setting up the pardon of Marc Rich he pleaded ignorance of the facts, saying that if he's only known the specifics...why he wouldn't have asked for a pardon. Holder does the same thing with Fast & Furious. If only he'd known about the specifics of the program he assures us he would have stopped it. So which is it? Is Eric Holder just clueless about MOST of what he's in charge of...or has he got this whole "Gee, I didn't know!" routine down to a science? Either way...why is this guy our Attorney General?

 

[ConservaDerrps]

And The National Review, too.

Too Fast, Too Furious - Robert VerBruggen - National Review Online

Hahahahaha!

Man the wheels are coming off this cocksucker fast.

Not quite sure how you figure it that way, Conserva...you've got Eric Holder about to be found in contempt of Congress and estimates are that some 20 Democrats will join that vote. The fact is, the whole premise behind Fast & Furious was SO stupid that it's hard to come up with a "reason" for it that makes sense. Heads should have rolled over this program but Eric Holder made the call to stonewall it. That shouldn't surprise anyone. When he was asked about his setting up the pardon of Marc Rich he pleaded ignorance of the facts, saying that if he's only known the specifics...why he wouldn't have asked for a pardon. Holder does the same thing with Fast & Furious. If only he'd known about the specifics of the program he assures us he would have stopped it. So which is it? Is Eric Holder just clueless about MOST of what he's in charge of...or has he got this whole "Gee, I didn't know!" routine down to a science? Either way...why is this guy our Attorney General?

First, the Fortune story is legit. And it blows the lid off of Issa's intent the whole time. Next, the story DIES tomorrow. Even when the vote is in, the DOJ won't prosecute, and the Senate will kill the resolution. This story is a dead duck.

 

[Lakhota]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcTGzxM_3IM&feature=player_embedded]Issa on Holder's Knowledge of Fast and Furious - YouTube[/ame]

 

[SniperFire]

"Any instance of so-called gunwalking is unacceptable. Regrettably, this tactic was used as part of Fast and Furious."

- Eric Holder

 

[ConservaDerrps]

"Any instance of so-called gunwalking is unacceptable. Regrettably, this tactic was used as part of Fast and Furious."

- Eric Holder

 

[SniperFire]

"Any instance of so-called gunwalking is unacceptable. Regrettably, this tactic was used as part of Fast and Furious."

- Eric Holder

Did Eric Holder, Attorney General, already admit under Oath to Congress to gunwalking in 'Fast and Furious,' or not?

 

[ConservaDerrps]

"Any instance of so-called gunwalking is unacceptable. Regrettably, this tactic was used as part of Fast and Furious."

- Eric Holder

Did Eric Holder, Attorney General, already admit under Oath to Congress to gunwalking in 'Fast and Furious,' or not?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Issa on Holder's Knowledge of Fast and Furious - YouTube

Holy Fuck. Issa is a dirtbag. And the reason why Repubs believe Obama gave em guns is because the articles are longer than a bumper sticker.

 

[SniperFire]

Did Eric Holder, Attorney General, already admit under Oath to Congress to gunwalking in 'Fast and Furious,' or not?

You are just here to troll, then?

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Did Eric Holder, Attorney General, already admit under Oath to Congress to gunwalking in 'Fast and Furious,' or not?

You are just here to troll, then?

I'm here for the muffins; obvs.

 

[ClosedCaption]

That made my night

 

[SniperFire]

You are just here to troll, then?

I'm here for the muffins; obvs.

That's good, because in argument you get your teeth kicked in.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

You are just here to troll, then?

I'm here for the muffins; obvs.

That's good, because in argument you get your teeth kicked in.

LOL. Ur cuet!

 

[Oldstyle]

Hahahahaha!

Man the wheels are coming off this cocksucker fast.

Not quite sure how you figure it that way, Conserva...you've got Eric Holder about to be found in contempt of Congress and estimates are that some 20 Democrats will join that vote. The fact is, the whole premise behind Fast & Furious was SO stupid that it's hard to come up with a "reason" for it that makes sense. Heads should have rolled over this program but Eric Holder made the call to stonewall it. That shouldn't surprise anyone. When he was asked about his setting up the pardon of Marc Rich he pleaded ignorance of the facts, saying that if he's only known the specifics...why he wouldn't have asked for a pardon. Holder does the same thing with Fast & Furious. If only he'd known about the specifics of the program he assures us he would have stopped it. So which is it? Is Eric Holder just clueless about MOST of what he's in charge of...or has he got this whole "Gee, I didn't know!" routine down to a science? Either way...why is this guy our Attorney General?

First, the Fortune story is legit. And it blows the lid off of Issa's intent the whole time. Next, the story DIES tomorrow. Even when the vote is in, the DOJ won't prosecute, and the Senate will kill the resolution. This story is a dead duck.

You're probably right about the DOJ not being willing to prosecute which is why you might notice that along with the criminal complaint of contempt...which would have to be prosecuted by the DOJ...that a civil complaint of contempt has also been issued...something that would NOT be prosecuted by the DOJ. This story is far from being "dead". What's dead are Brian Terry and hundreds of Mexican nationals because Eric Holder is incompetent or worse. That's a "story" that won't go away.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Not quite sure how you figure it that way, Conserva...you've got Eric Holder about to be found in contempt of Congress and estimates are that some 20 Democrats will join that vote. The fact is, the whole premise behind Fast & Furious was SO stupid that it's hard to come up with a "reason" for it that makes sense. Heads should have rolled over this program but Eric Holder made the call to stonewall it. That shouldn't surprise anyone. When he was asked about his setting up the pardon of Marc Rich he pleaded ignorance of the facts, saying that if he's only known the specifics...why he wouldn't have asked for a pardon. Holder does the same thing with Fast & Furious. If only he'd known about the specifics of the program he assures us he would have stopped it. So which is it? Is Eric Holder just clueless about MOST of what he's in charge of...or has he got this whole "Gee, I didn't know!" routine down to a science? Either way...why is this guy our Attorney General?

First, the Fortune story is legit. And it blows the lid off of Issa's intent the whole time. Next, the story DIES tomorrow. Even when the vote is in, the DOJ won't prosecute, and the Senate will kill the resolution. This story is a dead duck.

You're probably right about the DOJ not being willing to prosecute which is why you might notice that along with the criminal complaint of contempt...which would have to be prosecuted by the DOJ...that a civil complaint of contempt has also been issued...something that would NOT be prosecuted by the DOJ. This story is far from being "dead". What's dead are Brian Terry and hundreds of Mexican nationals because Eric Holder is incompetent or worse. That's a "story" that won't go away.

New drinking game: take a shot every time a Conservative invokes Brian Terry to exploit this story.

 

[The Infidel]

So we blindly believe one report while throwing out all others.

And the usual suspects are blindly following

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[buckeye45_73]

First, the Fortune story is legit. And it blows the lid off of Issa's intent the whole time. Next, the story DIES tomorrow. Even when the vote is in, the DOJ won't prosecute, and the Senate will kill the resolution. This story is a dead duck.

You're probably right about the DOJ not being willing to prosecute which is why you might notice that along with the criminal complaint of contempt...which would have to be prosecuted by the DOJ...that a civil complaint of contempt has also been issued...something that would NOT be prosecuted by the DOJ. This story is far from being "dead". What's dead are Brian Terry and hundreds of Mexican nationals because Eric Holder is incompetent or worse. That's a "story" that won't go away.

New drinking game: take a shot every time a Conservative invokes Brian Terry to exploit this story.

I'd be sober compared to a drinking game for every stupid post you make.

 

[flacaltenn]

OK -- I read it.. It's less than "half true".. How do I know? Because they convieniently leave out every detail that contradicts their story.. For instance from the Fortune story cited in the OP..

Ten days after the meeting with Hurley, a Saturday, Jaime Avila, a transient, admitted methamphetamine user, bought three WASR-10 rifles at the Lone Wolf Trading Company in Glendale, Ariz. The next day, a helpful Lone Wolf employee faxed Avila's purchase form to ATF to flag the suspicious activity. It was the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday weekend, so the agents didn't receive the fax until Tuesday, according to a contemporaneous case report. By that time, the legally purchased guns had been gone for three days. The agents had never seen the weapons and had no chance to seize them. But they entered the serial numbers into their gun database. Two of these were later recovered at Brian Terry's murder scene.

Well FORTUNE'S story is that it's just loose wing-nut gun sellers running circles around the ATF.. Not true. The "helpful Lone Wolf employee" turns out is the owner who was in PREVIOUS CONTACT with the ATF about the plan.. In fact, the Lone Wolf owner (Howard) was RECORDED conversing with the ATF about the whole set-up with the ATF CONFIRMING previous of the sale..

Secret recordings raise new questions in ATF 'Gunwalker' operation - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

The tapes were recorded approximately mid-March 2011 by the primary gun dealer cooperating with ATF in its "Fast and Furious" operation: Andre Howard, owner of Lone Wolf Trading Company in Glendale, Arizona. He's talking with the lead case ATF case agent Hope MacAllister.

The tapes have been turned over to Congressional investigators and the Inspector General.

As CBS News first reported last February, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allegedly allowed thousands of weapons to "walk" onto the streets without interdiction into the hands of suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels in its operation "Fast and Furious."

The conversations refer to a third weapon recovered at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

The tapes were recorded approximately mid-March 2011 by the primary gun dealer cooperating with ATF in its "Fast and Furious" operation: Andre Howard, owner of Lone Wolf Trading Company in Glendale, Arizona. He's talking with the lead case ATF case agent Hope MacAllister.

So FORTUNE WANTS the story to be about "rogue" gun dealers -- but it's not..

You have an agent CONFIRMING the guns were let loose ON PURPOSE.
You have the Justice Dept confirming this basic truth.
And you have a gun dealer who did NOTHING WRONG except cooperate with a rogue ATF and Justice Dept.

Like I said..

I don't care CRAP about the politics. I want to know WHO is gonna get fired and WHEN youre gonna DO IT!!!!!

If that includes any "rogue" gun dealers that Fortune conjurs up with no names or evidence, arrest them too.. You lefties are CORRECT about one thing. We're ALL gonna be dissapointed when no one gets punished --- AGAIN..

I listened to that tape, there's a link on the site, and it doesn't say anything of the sort.

Exactly what part of that tape has an agent admitting that a federal agent asked the gun dealer to sell those weapons to said individuals?

Read the transcript.

Don't NEED to read the transcript -- because I've only been following this with 6 brain cells and know more than you guys do...

Fast and Furious: Gun store owner opens up - Los Angeles Times

When federal agents with Operation Fast and Furious told Andre Howard to sell weapons to illegal purchasers, he complied, but he feared someone would get hurt. Then a border agent was shot.

Reporting from Glendale and Rio Rico, Ariz. — In the fall of 2009, ATF agents installed a secret phone line and hidden cameras in a ceiling panel and wall at Andre Howard's Lone Wolf gun store. They gave him one basic instruction: Sell guns to every illegal purchaser who walks through the door.

What part of that WAS DISCLOSED IN THAT PHONEY FORTUNE misdirection article? And what part of that don't you understand.. LONE WOLF WAS SET-UP as part of the (braindead) plan....

"a friendly store clerk complied" -- THAT'S ALL THEY COULD SAY without blowing their whole created fantasy about "rogue gun dealers" and illegal weapons STREAMING out of Arizona..


Damn you lefties are wasting time..