In-Depth Fortune Story on "Fast & Furious" Paints Totally Different Picture Than Issa

[flacaltenn]

Oh no! You mean we found common ground on an issue? Whatever will we do?

As long as looks nothing like your avi --- it's cool...

You mean mutual reluctant oral?

Looks like they're into it to me..

 

[ClosedCaption]

Shaman, that's another strawman argument. Nobody has said the government SUPPLIED the weapons, they simply DEMANDED that the gun dealers SELL the weapons to people they KNEW were ILLEGALLY purchasing them.

They didnt know they were being bought illegally because the laws in AZ are so relaxed that you cannot stop people from buying large numbers of weapons even if they end up at a crime scene.

AZ says that you have to prove the guns are going to be used in a crime. Which is impossible.

Utter bullshit.
AZ laws are no different than most states. The issue is that ATF knew they had a straw buyer and instructed dealers to transfer the guns anyway. That is a crime.

Ok, I missed the part where you refutted anything I said. Just typing the word BS doesnt pass as proof. As far as I know from the article it says that transferring guns is legal and the only way you can stop them is to prove they are going to commit a crime. Transferring guns is not illegal unless you can post otherwise

 

[ConservaDerrps]

ITT: Old Conservatives don't understand journalism.

 

[The T]

ITT: Old Conservatives don't understand journalism.

WE do...and it isn't how it exists now derp.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

ITT: Old Conservatives don't understand journalism.

WE do...and it isn't how it exists now derp.

 

[JoeB131]

South Africa has the toughest laws. And the highest number of deaths.
Switzerland and France have about the same rate. Switzerland has very lenient laws and France very strict ones.
So no, stricter laws do not work.
I ask again, what law would have prevented a non prohibited person from buying a gun?

The ATF ordered dealers to approve straw purchases. That is ipso facto illegal. It goes downhill from there.

A law that would have prohibited him, dumbass.

Or better yet, make gun sellers completely liable for anyone killed by their products. Betcha they'd do due diligence then.

 

[The Rabbi]

South Africa has the toughest laws. And the highest number of deaths.
Switzerland and France have about the same rate. Switzerland has very lenient laws and France very strict ones.
So no, stricter laws do not work.
I ask again, what law would have prevented a non prohibited person from buying a gun?

The ATF ordered dealers to approve straw purchases. That is ipso facto illegal. It goes downhill from there.

A law that would have prohibited him, dumbass.

Or better yet, make gun sellers completely liable for anyone killed by their products. Betcha they'd do due diligence then.

OK. Since he was not a criminal. Had never been committed to an institution. Had no record of any kind. On what basis would you prohibit him? You didnt like the way he looked?
Why don't you make car dealers completely liable every time some dumbass gets drunk and plows his car into someone? How about making sneaker dealers liable every time some kid rips off something and runs away in his sneakers?
You really are one sorry stupid POS.

 

[The T]

ITT: Old Conservatives don't understand journalism.

WE do...and it isn't how it exists now derp.

This passes as rebuttal in your DERP world?

 

[JoeB131]

South Africa has the toughest laws. And the highest number of deaths.
Switzerland and France have about the same rate. Switzerland has very lenient laws and France very strict ones.
So no, stricter laws do not work.
I ask again, what law would have prevented a non prohibited person from buying a gun?

The ATF ordered dealers to approve straw purchases. That is ipso facto illegal. It goes downhill from there.

A law that would have prohibited him, dumbass.

Or better yet, make gun sellers completely liable for anyone killed by their products. Betcha they'd do due diligence then.

OK. Since he was not a criminal. Had never been committed to an institution. Had no record of any kind. On what basis would you prohibit him? You didnt like the way he looked?
Why don't you make car dealers completely liable every time some dumbass gets drunk and plows his car into someone? How about making sneaker dealers liable every time some kid rips off something and runs away in his sneakers?
You really are one sorry stupid POS.

The whole world knew who this guy was and how nuts he was within hours of him shooting Giffords.

Hours.

Please don't tell me that due diligence isn't possible. Because it's laughable in an "information age".

 

[ConservaDerrps]

ITT: Real Journalism trumps Yellow Journalism.

 

[flacaltenn]

A law that would have prohibited him, dumbass.

Or better yet, make gun sellers completely liable for anyone killed by their products. Betcha they'd do due diligence then.

OK. Since he was not a criminal. Had never been committed to an institution. Had no record of any kind. On what basis would you prohibit him? You didnt like the way he looked?
Why don't you make car dealers completely liable every time some dumbass gets drunk and plows his car into someone? How about making sneaker dealers liable every time some kid rips off something and runs away in his sneakers?
You really are one sorry stupid POS.

The whole world knew who this guy was and how nuts he was within hours of him shooting Giffords.

Hours.

Please don't tell me that due diligence isn't possible. Because it's laughable in an "information age".

Don't think we're trying to tell you that. Only that it's way above the capability of the Clown College in Wash, D.C. You folks put WAAAAY too much cred on their abilities and wisdom.

Hell Govt can't even keep the voter rolls clean without Tons of arguing and litigation..
You want safe gun sales? Hire State Farm or Fed Ex..

 

[The Rabbi]

A law that would have prohibited him, dumbass.

Or better yet, make gun sellers completely liable for anyone killed by their products. Betcha they'd do due diligence then.

OK. Since he was not a criminal. Had never been committed to an institution. Had no record of any kind. On what basis would you prohibit him? You didnt like the way he looked?
Why don't you make car dealers completely liable every time some dumbass gets drunk and plows his car into someone? How about making sneaker dealers liable every time some kid rips off something and runs away in his sneakers?
You really are one sorry stupid POS.

The whole world knew who this guy was and how nuts he was within hours of him shooting Giffords.

Hours.

Please don't tell me that due diligence isn't possible. Because it's laughable in an "information age".

And prior to him doing it, no one knew who he was.
Is there a point you are trying to make here? Other than you have no fucking idea what you're talking about?

 

[BDBoop]

‘Fast and Furious’ bombshell a day ahead of Holder contempt charge - Video on msnbc.com

Bashir talks about the Republican's "psychotic frenzy" over F&F, and the Fortune article.

 

[BDBoop]

The NRA said they will issue a black mark against anybody who didn't vote Holder in contempt.

Huh?

 

[ClosedCaption]

South Africa has the toughest laws. And the highest number of deaths.
Switzerland and France have about the same rate. Switzerland has very lenient laws and France very strict ones.
So no, stricter laws do not work.
I ask again, what law would have prevented a non prohibited person from buying a gun?

The ATF ordered dealers to approve straw purchases. That is ipso facto illegal. It goes downhill from there.

A law that would have prohibited him, dumbass.

Or better yet, make gun sellers completely liable for anyone killed by their products. Betcha they'd do due diligence then.

OK. Since he was not a criminal. Had never been committed to an institution. Had no record of any kind. On what basis would you prohibit him? You didnt like the way he looked?
Why don't you make car dealers completely liable every time some dumbass gets drunk and plows his car into someone? How about making sneaker dealers liable every time some kid rips off something and runs away in his sneakers?
You really are one sorry stupid POS.

You just described the AZ law exactly. When someone on food stamps buys $300k in weapons in 6 months and the ATF cant even convince prosecutors to stop the guys food stamps...we're fucked

 

[JoeB131]

And prior to him doing it, no one knew who he was.
Is there a point you are trying to make here? Other than you have no fucking idea what you're talking about?

Point is we live in an information age.

If you held gun dealers to account for the people they sell guns to, they'd find out who they were selling guns to..

simple tidal gravity.

 

[ClosedCaption]

That made my night

Seriously, this just made my night a second time

 

[The Rabbi]

And prior to him doing it, no one knew who he was.
Is there a point you are trying to make here? Other than you have no fucking idea what you're talking about?

Point is we live in an information age.

If you held gun dealers to account for the people they sell guns to, they'd find out who they were selling guns to..

simple tidal gravity.

Information is only what happene previously. Not what soemone is going to do tomorrow.
Why would you hold gun dealers to a standard no other seller of any item is held to?

You are a dunce and a half.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

And prior to him doing it, no one knew who he was.
Is there a point you are trying to make here? Other than you have no fucking idea what you're talking about?

Point is we live in an information age.

If you held gun dealers to account for the people they sell guns to, they'd find out who they were selling guns to..

simple tidal gravity.

Information is only what happene previously. Not what soemone is going to do tomorrow.
Why would you hold gun dealers to a standard no other seller of any item is held to?

You are a dunce and a half.

No he's not a dunce he's a liberal, then on second thought you are right.

 

[Vast LWC]

No. Actually the moment the buyer checked the yes box on the 4473 that asks "are you the actual buyer of the gun" and signed the form he had committed a felony. And since the approval was done with permission of ATF that makes them an accomplice to that felony.

Incorrect, because once you own the gun, it is not illegal to then resell it, down the line.

Go online, look for "used guns". You'll find a whole load of them for sale, legally.

Whether you own it for a year, or a day and a half, it's the same thing.

A crime only occurs if they are resold to a known criminal.