In Chicago, Land of Liberal Gun Control, 911 is Made Impotent

[Wehrwolfen]

In Chicago, Land of Liberal Gun Control, 911 is Made Impotent​

By Frank Camp
Feburary 5, 2013

Once an idea sinks its claws into the Liberal mind, it is nearly impossible to change that idea. The mind should be an open courtyard, allowing ideas to confront preconceived notions, and sometimes replace them with new, more refined truths. We are all guilty of stubbornness; but those on the Left are the epitome of intransigence.

[snip] “Starting this week, Chicago police are changing their responses to 911 calls. They’ll no longer come right away to reports of things like criminal damage to property, vehicle thefts, garage burglaries, or other crimes in which the suspect is no longer on the scene, and the victim isn’t in immediate danger.”​

[snip] Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, yet the city counts hundreds of gun related deaths each year. Chicago is a perfect example of gun restriction failing to curb violence. If you remove guns from the citizenry, only criminals will have them; because laws will do absolutely nothing to stop a criminal from getting a gun in any way he needs.​

If those on the Left were not so closed minded, Chicago might be a much safer place.
(Excerpt)

Read more:
In Chicago, Land of Liberal Gun Control, 911 is Made Impotent : The Last Resistance

 

[waltky]

Justice Dept Memo Calls For 'Massive' Gun Buyback & Ban...

NRA uses Justice memo to accuse Obama on guns
Sunday, February 24, 2013, WASHINGTON - The National Rifle Association is using a Justice Department memo it obtained to argue in ads that the Obama administration believes its gun control plans won't work unless the government seizes firearms and requires national gun registration - ideas the White House has not proposed and does not support.

The NRA's assertion and its obtaining of the memo in the first place underscore the no-holds-barred battle under way as Washington's fight over gun restrictions heats up. The memo, under the name of one of the Justice Department's leading crime researchers, critiques the effectiveness of gun control proposals, including some of President Obama's. A Justice Department official called the memo an unfinished review of gun violence research and said it does not represent administration policy.

The memo says requiring background checks for more gun purchases could help, but also could lead to more illicit weapons sales. It says banning assault weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines produced in the future but exempting those already owned by the public, as Obama has proposed, would have limited impact because people now own so many of those items. It also says that even total elimination of assault weapons would have little overall effect on gun killings because assault weapons account for a limited proportion of those crimes.

The nine-page document says the success of universal background checks would depend in part on "requiring gun registration," and says gun buybacks would not be effective "unless massive and coupled with a ban." The administration has not proposed gun registration, buybacks or banning all firearms. But gun registration and ownership curbs are hot-button issues for the NRA and other gun-rights groups, which strenuously oppose the ideas. Justice Department and White House officials declined to provide much information about the memo or answer questions about it on the record.

The memo has the look of a preliminary document and calls itself "a cursory summary" and assessment of gun curb initiatives. The administration has not released it officially. But the NRA has posted the memo on one of its websites and cites it in advertising aimed at whipping up opposition to Obama's efforts to contain gun violence. The ad says the paper shows that the administration "believes that a gun ban will not work without mandatory gun confiscation" and thinks universal background checks "won't work without requiring national gun registration" - ideas the president has not proposed or expressed support for.

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Liberal racism against the black population is blatant within Illinois and especially Chicago. Honest black people preyed upon by felons while the Proggy Left tells them they'll be take care of. While calling 911 brings no one.

 

[Agit8r]

In Chicago, Land of Liberal Gun Control, 911 is Made Impotent​

By Frank Camp
Feburary 5, 2013

Once an idea sinks its claws into the Liberal mind, it is nearly impossible to change that idea. The mind should be an open courtyard, allowing ideas to confront preconceived notions, and sometimes replace them with new, more refined truths. We are all guilty of stubbornness; but those on the Left are the epitome of intransigence.

[snip] “Starting this week, Chicago police are changing their responses to 911 calls. They’ll no longer come right away to reports of things like criminal damage to property, vehicle thefts, garage burglaries, or other crimes in which the suspect is no longer on the scene, and the victim isn’t in immediate danger.”​

[snip] Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, yet the city counts hundreds of gun related deaths each year. Chicago is a perfect example of gun restriction failing to curb violence. If you remove guns from the citizenry, only criminals will have them; because laws will do absolutely nothing to stop a criminal from getting a gun in any way he needs.​

If those on the Left were not so closed minded, Chicago might be a much safer place.
(Excerpt)

Read more:
In Chicago, Land of Liberal Gun Control, 911 is Made Impotent : The Last Resistance

Fallacy. Chicago residents who pass a background check are not prohibited from owning firearms.

 

[Ernie S.]

Justice Dept Memo Calls For 'Massive' Gun Buyback & Ban...

NRA uses Justice memo to accuse Obama on guns
Sunday, February 24, 2013, WASHINGTON - The National Rifle Association is using a Justice Department memo it obtained to argue in ads that the Obama administration believes its gun control plans won't work unless the government seizes firearms and requires national gun registration - ideas the White House has not proposed and does not support.

The NRA's assertion and its obtaining of the memo in the first place underscore the no-holds-barred battle under way as Washington's fight over gun restrictions heats up. The memo, under the name of one of the Justice Department's leading crime researchers, critiques the effectiveness of gun control proposals, including some of President Obama's. A Justice Department official called the memo an unfinished review of gun violence research and said it does not represent administration policy.

The memo says requiring background checks for more gun purchases could help, but also could lead to more illicit weapons sales. It says banning assault weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines produced in the future but exempting those already owned by the public, as Obama has proposed, would have limited impact because people now own so many of those items. It also says that even total elimination of assault weapons would have little overall effect on gun killings because assault weapons account for a limited proportion of those crimes.

The nine-page document says the success of universal background checks would depend in part on "requiring gun registration," and says gun buybacks would not be effective "unless massive and coupled with a ban." The administration has not proposed gun registration, buybacks or banning all firearms. But gun registration and ownership curbs are hot-button issues for the NRA and other gun-rights groups, which strenuously oppose the ideas. Justice Department and White House officials declined to provide much information about the memo or answer questions about it on the record.

The memo has the look of a preliminary document and calls itself "a cursory summary" and assessment of gun curb initiatives. The administration has not released it officially. But the NRA has posted the memo on one of its websites and cites it in advertising aimed at whipping up opposition to Obama's efforts to contain gun violence. The ad says the paper shows that the administration "believes that a gun ban will not work without mandatory gun confiscation" and thinks universal background checks "won't work without requiring national gun registration" - ideas the president has not proposed or expressed support for.

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If anyone here is tempted to sell their weapons to the government in any such buy-back, would you please PM me first and let me bid on your guns? I'd likely offer more than obama.

 

[Wehrwolfen]

In Chicago, Land of Liberal Gun Control, 911 is Made Impotent​

By Frank Camp
Feburary 5, 2013

Once an idea sinks its claws into the Liberal mind, it is nearly impossible to change that idea. The mind should be an open courtyard, allowing ideas to confront preconceived notions, and sometimes replace them with new, more refined truths. We are all guilty of stubbornness; but those on the Left are the epitome of intransigence.

[snip] “Starting this week, Chicago police are changing their responses to 911 calls. They’ll no longer come right away to reports of things like criminal damage to property, vehicle thefts, garage burglaries, or other crimes in which the suspect is no longer on the scene, and the victim isn’t in immediate danger.”​

[snip] Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, yet the city counts hundreds of gun related deaths each year. Chicago is a perfect example of gun restriction failing to curb violence. If you remove guns from the citizenry, only criminals will have them; because laws will do absolutely nothing to stop a criminal from getting a gun in any way he needs.​

If those on the Left were not so closed minded, Chicago might be a much safer place.
(Excerpt)

Read more:
In Chicago, Land of Liberal Gun Control, 911 is Made Impotent : The Last Resistance

Fallacy. Chicago residents who pass a background check are not prohibited from owning firearms.

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“Individuals with concealed carry permits committed exactly zero murders in Chicago.”


It is nearly impossible to obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon in New York City. New York state’s concealed carry law allows localities to set their own regulations.

A story in Saturday’s Tribune quoted Paul Browne, a deputy commissioner with the New York Police Department, on the city’s gun permit regulations:

.... most permits are restricted to business owners who want to carry a gun on their property or to those who need a gun as part of their job, such as security guards. But even then, when and where those permit holders are allowed to carry a gun can be limited. For instance, some may have approval to carry a weapon only within the confines of their business. Permits may also be granted to those who have a documented personal threat, or those who think they need extra protection, such as diamond dealers, but Browne said that is fairly rare.

Through the end of November, New York City had issued 2,074 new handgun permits, bringing the total active permit holders in the city to 36,652 for a population of about 8 million people. (Hmm.. that is about the same number of NYPD.)

The most lethal place in America is Flint, Mich., a city of 100,000 which averages 60 murders a year. That’s triple Chicago’s murder rate. If Chicago were as violent as Flint, we’d have 1,500 killings a year. In 2001, Michigan liberalized its gun laws to allow any adult without a felony conviction to carry a concealed weapon. Since then, Flint has set annual records for murders.

When New York, a city with a strict concealed carry law, is nine times safer than Flint, a city where just about anyone can pack heat, it’s ludicrous to say those laws are a factor in crime rates. Gun owners may feel better with a pistol snuggling against their breasts, but they’re not safer.


Source: Opinion: Concealed Carry Law Won't Make Chicago Safer | NBC Chicago