In a hospital, really?

[montelatici]

Rocco, you do have a thick skull. There were people living in Palestine before the arrival of the Zionist Jews. Around 99% of them were either Muslim or Christians. One percent were Arab Palestinian Jews. Whether the native people had inherent sovereignty or not does not make a wit of difference. They were living there.

The policy of removing the native people to make room for the transfer of the Europeans to Palestine was the policy as it was the only way a Jewish state could be established.

The Palestinians did fight for their independence and were Palestinian patriots trying to prevent the dispossession of their land and homes. The British had too much power and the patriots lost, but they were no less patriots defending their homes from hostile European colonists.

"On at least three occasions in thirty years," Arthur Koestler wrote in Promise and Fulfilment (1949), "the Arabs had been promised the setting up of a legislative body, the cessation of Jewish immigration and a check on Jewish economic expansion." And on each of these occasions, the Mandate authorities broke their promise. The Mandate was marked by outbreaks of violence, government white papers and the Arab population's loss of ground to Jewish immigrants. The Arab General Strike of 1936 led to an all-out rebellion against British rule. The British took three years to suppress it, during which, according to British records, the administration killed 3073 Arabs (112 of whom were executed). These figures exclude Arabs killed by Zionist organisations or the Jewish Special Night Squads under the command of a British intelligence officer, Captain Orde Wingate. Britain trained the Yishuv's elite army, the Palmach, and despatched its largest expeditionary force since the Great War - 25,000 troops - to Palestine. During the uprising, British security forces used the standard tactics of anti-colonial warfare: torture, murder, collective punishment, detention without trial, military courts, aerial bombardment and 'punitive demolition' of more than two thousand houses. The police commander Sir Charles Tegart (himself a believer in Zionism) built the notorious Tegart police fortresses and an electrified fence along the northern border. Major-General Bernard Montgomery, who arrived in 1938 to command a division, denigrated Arab nationalists as 'professional bandits'. By the summer of 1939, when Germany was about to invade Poland, Monty reported: "The rebellion is definitely and finally smashed."

The Mandate years: colonialism and the creation of Israel

I know more than you will ever learn Rocco.

 

[Roudy]

Why do Muslims complain when people defend themselves against their savagery?

1929 Hebron massacre

1929 Hebron massacre
Part of 1929 Palestine riots

From top-left, clockwise: Shlomo, son of Eliezer Dan Slonim, aged 1, survives with wounds to his finger and forehead; The Holy Ark of the Sephardi Synagogue of Abraham is ransacked; A survivor reflecting in the aftermath of the slaughter; Family Kolstein recover from their injuries.
Bottom: Memorials to murdered rabbinical students in the old Jewish cemetery.
Location Hebron, Mandatory Palestine
Date Saturday, 24 August 1929

Perpetrators Arabs

The Hebron massacre refers to the killing of Jews on 24 August 1929 in Hebron, then part of Mandatory Palestine, by Arabs incited to violence by rumors that Jews were planning to seize control of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.[1] The event also left scores seriously wounded or maimed. Jewish homes were pillaged and synagogues were ransacked. Many of the 435 Jews who survived were hidden by local Arab families.[2][3] Soon after, all Hebron's Jews were evacuated by the British authorities.[4] Many returned in 1931, but almost all were evacuated at the outbreak of the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine. The massacre formed part of the 1929 Palestine riots, in which a total of 133 Jews and 110 Arabs were killed, and brought the centuries-old Jewish presence in Hebron to an end.[5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]

The massacre, together with that of Jews in Safed, sent shock waves through Jewish communities in Palestine and around the world. It led to the re-organization and development of the Jewish paramilitary organization, the Haganah, which later became the nucleus of the Israel Defense Forces.[13] In the metanarrative of Zionism, according to Michelle Campos, the event became 'a central symbol of Jewish persecution at the hands of bloodthirsty Arabs'[14]and was 'engraved in the national psyche of Israeli Jews', particularly those who settled in Hebron after 1967.[15] Hillel Cohen regards the massacre as marking a point-of-no-return in Arab-Jewish relations, and forcing the Mizrahi Jews to join forces with Zionism.

 

[montelatici]

As I have said before, why should the Christian and Muslim natives of Palestine not try to prevent the European Jews from taking over their land and homes as the Zionist charter and the Balfour Declaration foretold? I don't get it. Should they have not attacked the people that intended to dispossess and evict them?

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

You keep saying "people from another continent that invade." This is essentially a rationalization of an event not in evidence.

So, the people from another continent that invade a place are defensive militias, and the people that resist are terrorists. Ok.

(COMMENT)

The fact is, that the inhabitance became an unlawful insurgency against the Mandate Government established by the Allied Powers.

The Jewish Immigrants were lawfully establishing a National Home, under the authority of the Allied Powers to which the Ottoman/Turks surrendered (renounces all rights and title per Article 16). The lawful immigrants were defending against hostile Arabs attempting to subvert the stated intention by the Allied Powers to secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home.

Any force that opposes the unlawful hostile operations of an enemy Arab Forces --- with the clear intent and attempting to undermine the leadership of the lawful Allied Powers, is a "Defensive Force" by definition.

The Arab Palestinians are by no means patriots or freedom fighters, having rejected self-rule and self-government under peaceful means several times.

Most Respectfully,
R

You keep saying "people from another continent that invade." This is essentially a rationalization of an event not in evidence.​

Documented history. why do you keep shoveling shit on the truth?

 

[Roudy]

As I said before you're no Christian, as it is the Muslim animals that are slaughtering Christians and non Muslim all over the globe.

You don't understand, nobody gives a shit about the so called Palestinains and their claim over land they had no control over for the last 800 years, especially their fellow Arabs.

Palestine is a fraud and never was, Israel is here to stay and not going anywhere. Don't like it? Tough shit, Achmed, go strap on a suicide vest and blow yourself up like your fellow Palestinian animals do. Who cares.

 

[Challenger]

If you don't believe that a valid investigation is going to be preformed, then you really shouldn't raise the issue.

I note your freudian slip there RoccoR, clearly you do understand the true nature of the Zionist justice system.

I raised the issue because the Zionist state promotes itself as "a bastion of freedom and Western democracy in a benighted Muslim middle east" yet constantly resorts to extra-judicial killings (a.k.a. murders), assassinations, collective punishment, illegal detentions, house demolitions, brutality on a scale no Western regime would countenance these days.

When those 20 IDF soldiers are arested and brought to trial and convicted with more than a judicial slap on the wrist, I'll believe a valid investigation has taken place and Zionist Israel is indeed a "bastion of freedom and Western democracy" until then I'll remain skeptical.

Any day is a good day to neutralize a terrorist.
Any place is a good place to neutralize a terrorist.

As I said, so much for due process. The nazis said the same thing about the resistance movements of occupied Europe in WW2.

 

[Challenger]

Your buddies fire rockets from schools and hospitals, so why now the fucking outrage?

...and your buddies obliterate schools, hospitals and old peoples homes whether rockets have been fired from closeby or not; your buddies routinely butcher women and children and now they murder people who pose no immediate threat. Outrage is an appropriate response in such cases.

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

There is no such thing as the Zionist Justice System. In fact, I find Legal System of the Jewish State of Israel even more difficult to describe than the difference between the various composite factions that make-up Israeli Society.

If you don't believe that a valid investigation is going to be preformed, then you really shouldn't raise the issue.

I note your freudian slip there RoccoR, clearly you do understand the true nature of the Zionist justice system.

(COMMENT)

The Israeli Legal System is a complex architecture that have similarities to English Common Law, British Mandate Regulations, blended with the Halakha, Christian biblical morals, and sharia law. It mimics the diverse nature that is the face of Israel Society. But if there is such a thing as "Zionist Law," it is not incorporated into the mainstream of the complex legal system of Israel.

I raised the issue because the Zionist state promotes itself as "a bastion of freedom and Western democracy in a benighted Muslim middle east" yet constantly resorts to extra-judicial killings (a.k.a. murders), assassinations, collective punishment, illegal detentions, house demolitions, brutality on a scale no Western regime would countenance these days.

(COMMENT)

Answer Direct: This is a subjective view, for a situation that Western Legal concepts are not geared to address. What you subjectively call extra-judicial killings (a.k.a. murders), assassinations, collective punishment, illegal detentions, house demolitions, and brutality is --- in many respects --- the evolution of the appropriate force necessary to subdue an otherwise renegade and radicalized Islamic culture that directly advocates Jihad and openly rejects settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice. The Islamist answer to solving the Palestinian question, Hamas advocates violent Jihad until Israel is destroyed (the attainment of a political outcome through the systematic use of force). HAMAS is generally thought of as having a Sunni based foundation. And Jihadist groups such as al-Qaeda have repeatedly criticized HAMAS for recognizing man-made laws and becoming involved in democratic elections, while HAMAS, in turn, has repressed – and sometimes fought against – rival Jihadist groups to secure it power. Now this tidbit is very important when you examine the overall difference in strategy between HAMAS and FATAH.

LAWFARE: HAMAS does not engage in high visibility efforts to apply "man-made" law to the given situation and conflict. However, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and FATAH do. The classic example has been to attempt to apply pressure on the Jewish State by collecting and amassing an impressive bundle of non-binding General Assembly Resolution which condemn Israel in one way or another in the Israeli containment process of various violent elements and radicalized Islamic threats in the region. However, FATAH has engaged in a deliberate campaign of filing a series of malicious complaints with the International Criminal Court (ICC), in a gamble designed to punish and silence those who engage in public discourse about radical Islam. This is dovetailed with the radicalized and dangerous unrest Islamic Jihadists have demonstrated resent European countries targeted to be coerced to achieve their political goals. Up to this point many countries, in order to avoid a confrontation with the more violent aspects of radicalized Islamic elements, have chosen to appear opposed to Israeli tactics and strategies by publicly condemning Israel, but privately appreciative of their containment (in the interest of public concern and international regional security) effort of potential Islamic threats (as demonstrated in France within the last couple of days).

It appears that, unless it is at least contained both militarily and politically, the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) will continue to expand and threaten major instability in the region with the prospect of escalating the conflict that could eventually draw in DAESH (Islamic State). Raising the two key question among other Regional Arab States:

• Can the Jihadist revolution be contained?
• What will be the ramification of forcing Israel to lift its containment of the Sunni Jihadists in Palestine?

When those 20 IDF soldiers are arested and brought to trial and convicted with more than a judicial slap on the wrist, I'll believe a valid investigation has taken place and Zionist Israel is indeed a "bastion of freedom and Western democracy" until then I'll remain skeptical.

Any day is a good day to neutralize a terrorist.
Any place is a good place to neutralize a terrorist.

As I said, so much for due process. The nazis said the same thing about the resistance movements of occupied Europe in WW2.

(COMMENT)

I guess I should have said that "Any Day is a Good Day to enforce Article 68 of the Geneva Convention!" --- OR --- Maybe I should have said that Any Day is a Good Day to intensify and accelerate the exchange of operational information, especially regarding actions or movements of terrorist persons or networks; S/RES/1373 (2001). "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." (Secretary-General January 2013)

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

Your buddies fire rockets from schools and hospitals, so why now the fucking outrage?

...and your buddies obliterate schools, hospitals and old peoples homes whether rockets have been fired from closeby or not; your buddies routinely butcher women and children and now they murder people who pose no immediate threat. Outrage is an appropriate response in such cases.

This is just more of the pointless babble that you islamics carry on with, totally unsupported and only intended to appeal to your insensate Jooooooo hatreds.

Not a single element of your hysterics is supported. Typical.

I've read whining often enough to know that you promote islamic terrorism with the really stupid suggestion that Joooooos, Westerners and non-muhammedans are responsible for "making" muhammedan terrorists through faults of our own. Such an accusation demonstrates not only ignorance of normative muhammedan doctrine and unyielding ideological blindness, but also a foolhardy willingness to imperil oneself and ones countrymen over gross negligence and incompetence. Islamic terrorists are not "made" by anything or anyone but muhammedan (swish), the forever angry war god and the bellicose mandates in his hate and war manual. Muhammedans have always accused the infidel of "making" islamic terrorists. There's always been and there always will be someone making your islamic terrorist heroes ride into battle against anyone in the way of their vile, expansionist program of murder, rapine, and subjugation in God's name (that is, if the peaceful, tolerant method da'wa missionary work isn't effective).

 

[Billo_Really]

Here's the video of the actual raid on Hebron hospital.






The IDF shot the boy as he was exiting the bathroom. He didn't have a weapon.

 

[Billo_Really]

No comment when Israelis are stabbed by Barbaric Palestinians yet you have the nerve to talk about " due process " lol. I say PASS OUT THE CANDY !!

How can you determine a barbaric Palestinian without due process?

By the knife you plant next to the body?

 

[Roudy]

No comment when Israelis are stabbed by Barbaric Palestinians yet you have the nerve to talk about " due process " lol. I say PASS OUT THE CANDY !!

How can you determine a barbaric Palestinian without due process?

By the knife you plant next to the body?

Confucius say, you trya to stabba soldier, you getta yo ass shot.

What part of that is hard to understand, Abdul.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Yes, you keep trying to equate HAMAS Jihadist and PLO Fedayeen with the "The Maquis." What the "HAMAS Jihadist and PLO Fedayeen" are engaged in is a direct violation of International Humanitarian Law and they should be brought to justice under Article 68, of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

An armed (with a firearm) Israeli settler in the West Bank is part of the armed occupation forces. How can a Palestinian that attacks the occupying forces be considered a terrorist? Does that mean the French Resistance were terrorists? I don't get the logic.

(OBERVATION)

Your view of the Israelis is not unique. The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) believes something very, very similar: Khalid Mishaal, HAMAS Vision for Palestine Issues:

8. The Zionist project is a racist, hostile, and expansionist project based on murder and terrorism. Hence, it is the enemy of the Palestinian people and nation and poses a real threat to them, as well as to their security and interests. Indeed, it would not be an exaggeration to say that it is a danger to the security of the humanitarian community, its interests and its stability.​

(COMMENT)

Any Palestinian who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Israeli Occupying Power, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

The death penalty on a any Arab-Palestinian may be imposed in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the Israeli Defense Force installations or Border Police Facilities or attacks which have caused the death of one or more persons.

In late 2012, Khalid Mishaal, the Chief of the Political Bureau of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) released this Policy Paper relative to the HAMAS Vision: “The Islamists in the Arab World and the Palestinian Issue, In Light of the Arab Uprisings,”.

Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.

§ Independent Palestinian national decision: This is a principle that is based on non-dependency or reliance on any other country or party in the world, whether it be a friend, ally, enemy, or opponent. However, this does not mean, nor can we accept it in the context of limiting the Palestinian issue to the Palestinians and terminating or weakening the Arab and Islamic roles. The issue of Palestine was, and will remain, not only an Arab and Islamic issue, but also a humanitarian issue.

• Resistance: This is a primary principle and our strategic choice. Some have had doubts that talk of a truce is giving up on the resistance; this of course arbitrary. In short, the path of resistance, in terms of its preparation, organization, and performance for the liberation of Palestine, is a path that cannot be interrupted. In addition to this, the management of the decision of escalation and truce, as well as diversifying our methods and manners, all fall under the process of managing the decision, and not the principle of the decision, as the principle cannot be changed.

• Moreover, even if the enemy and the settlers are out of Gaza, Gaza cannot be taken out of the circle of the conflict, even though necessity calls for the change of its role in the battle by virtue of its circumstances. Thankfully, Gaza is still a source of hope, not only for Palestine but for the entire region. We have just emerged from an aggressive war on the Gaza Strip, which was ended with a victory for the Palestinian resistance, which succeeded in ending the war on its terms.

• In the case of the West Bank, the absence of the resistance for several years does not change its origin or principle, but is a necessity for our people due to the massive security pressures from every direction, near and far. We consider the decline of the resisting role inevitable and a forced reality we strive to overcome by upholding our intention and preparing for a new start. Allah willing, the resistance will return to the West Bank, reassuming its effective and essential role in every phase of the Palestinian struggle, as the enemy will not withdraw from our land without the pressure of resistance.​

This is a form of rationalization and justification to support the incitement to action in opposition to the prohibition in Chapter I, Article 2(4) of the Charter; and the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. Currently, the motivation of HAMAS has three bedrock ideas:

• No abandonment of rights (not comprehensively defined);
• No abandonment of any part of Palestine;
• No recognition of “Israel.”
​

This is not so different in construct to the Khartoum Resolution (1967):

• No peace with Israel,
• No recognition of Israel,
• No negotiations with Israel.
​

WHAT does all this mean? I implies that the Palestinians, as separate and independent terrorist entities, have established institutionalized regime of systematic targeting Israelis and a mission to remove the Jewish State of Israel.

The Palestinians routinely target civilians and civilian objects.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Roudy]

What is the difference between Hamas and ISIS? Nothing but geography.

Both want to establish Islamic caliphates and both are using terror, violence, and indoctrination towards achieving this goal.

 

[montelatici]

Hamas is a political party that was elected. The Hamas charter has language equivalent to the Likud charter with respect to Muslim and Jewish rule respectively. Hamas has terrorists/freedom fighters as founders. Likud has terrorists/freedom fighters as founders. Both Likud and Hamas used terror, violence and indoctrination towards achieving their goals. So stop trying to claim that Hamas is any different than other national liberation movements you loon.

 

[Slyhunter]

Rocco, there were native people living in Palestine. The Europeans went there to replace them and colonize the land. There is no legal instrument that can condone ethnic cleansing. Can't you get that through your thick skull?

God gave the land to the Israelites.
The Palestinians can't have it.

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

Yes, you keep trying to equate HAMAS Jihadist and PLO Fedayeen with the "The Maquis." What the "HAMAS Jihadist and PLO Fedayeen" are engaged in is a direct violation of International Humanitarian Law and they should be brought to justice under Article 68, of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

An armed (with a firearm) Israeli settler in the West Bank is part of the armed occupation forces. How can a Palestinian that attacks the occupying forces be considered a terrorist? Does that mean the French Resistance were terrorists? I don't get the logic.

(OBERVATION)

Your view of the Israelis is not unique. The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) believes something very, very similar: Khalid Mishaal, HAMAS Vision for Palestine Issues:

8. The Zionist project is a racist, hostile, and expansionist project based on murder and terrorism. Hence, it is the enemy of the Palestinian people and nation and poses a real threat to them, as well as to their security and interests. Indeed, it would not be an exaggeration to say that it is a danger to the security of the humanitarian community, its interests and its stability.​

(COMMENT)

Any Palestinian who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Israeli Occupying Power, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

The death penalty on a any Arab-Palestinian may be imposed in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the Israeli Defense Force installations or Border Police Facilities or attacks which have caused the death of one or more persons.

In late 2012, Khalid Mishaal, the Chief of the Political Bureau of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) released this Policy Paper relative to the HAMAS Vision: “The Islamists in the Arab World and the Palestinian Issue, In Light of the Arab Uprisings,”.

Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.

§ Independent Palestinian national decision: This is a principle that is based on non-dependency or reliance on any other country or party in the world, whether it be a friend, ally, enemy, or opponent. However, this does not mean, nor can we accept it in the context of limiting the Palestinian issue to the Palestinians and terminating or weakening the Arab and Islamic roles. The issue of Palestine was, and will remain, not only an Arab and Islamic issue, but also a humanitarian issue.

• Resistance: This is a primary principle and our strategic choice. Some have had doubts that talk of a truce is giving up on the resistance; this of course arbitrary. In short, the path of resistance, in terms of its preparation, organization, and performance for the liberation of Palestine, is a path that cannot be interrupted. In addition to this, the management of the decision of escalation and truce, as well as diversifying our methods and manners, all fall under the process of managing the decision, and not the principle of the decision, as the principle cannot be changed.

• Moreover, even if the enemy and the settlers are out of Gaza, Gaza cannot be taken out of the circle of the conflict, even though necessity calls for the change of its role in the battle by virtue of its circumstances. Thankfully, Gaza is still a source of hope, not only for Palestine but for the entire region. We have just emerged from an aggressive war on the Gaza Strip, which was ended with a victory for the Palestinian resistance, which succeeded in ending the war on its terms.

• In the case of the West Bank, the absence of the resistance for several years does not change its origin or principle, but is a necessity for our people due to the massive security pressures from every direction, near and far. We consider the decline of the resisting role inevitable and a forced reality we strive to overcome by upholding our intention and preparing for a new start. Allah willing, the resistance will return to the West Bank, reassuming its effective and essential role in every phase of the Palestinian struggle, as the enemy will not withdraw from our land without the pressure of resistance.​

This is a form of rationalization and justification to support the incitement to action in opposition to the prohibition in Chapter I, Article 2(4) of the Charter; and the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. Currently, the motivation of HAMAS has three bedrock ideas:

• No abandonment of rights (not comprehensively defined);
• No abandonment of any part of Palestine;
• No recognition of “Israel.”
​

This is not so different in construct to the Khartoum Resolution (1967):

• No peace with Israel,
• No recognition of Israel,
• No negotiations with Israel.
​

WHAT does all this mean? I implies that the Palestinians, as separate and independent terrorist entities, have established institutionalized regime of systematic targeting Israelis and a mission to remove the Jewish State of Israel.

The Palestinians routinely target civilians and civilian objects.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinian national liberation movement is no different than any other national liberation movement. The ANC targeted civilians routinely, the Algerian FLN routinely targeted civilians, Irgun routinely targeted civilians. The leaders and members of the ANC, FLN and Irgun are now national heroes. You are the epitome of hypocrisy.

 

[Roudy]

Hamas is a political party that was elected. The Hamas charter has language equivalent to the Likud charter with respect to Muslim and Jewish rule respectively. Hamas has terrorists/freedom fighters as founders. Likud has terrorists/freedom fighters as founders. Both Likud and Hamas used terror, violence and indoctrination towards achieving their goals. So stop trying to claim that Hamas is any different than other national liberation movements you loon.

Wow what a pile of dung from the terrorist apologist!

1- Hamas wants to establish an Islamic caliphate in Palestine, ISIS wants to do it in Iraq and Syria.

2- Hamas is classified as an Islamic terrorist organization by the US and the West, same with ISIS.

3- Hamas uses terror and targeting of Israeli civilians to achieve its Islamist supremacist ambitions, ISIS does the same in Iraq and Syria.

3- Hamas hides behind civilians and uses them as human shields, same with ISIS.

4- Hamas wages a propoganda, deception, and recruitment campaign in the West, so does ISIS.

Like I said, they're identical except for geography.

 

[Roudy]

montelatici, et al,

Yes, you keep trying to equate HAMAS Jihadist and PLO Fedayeen with the "The Maquis." What the "HAMAS Jihadist and PLO Fedayeen" are engaged in is a direct violation of International Humanitarian Law and they should be brought to justice under Article 68, of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

An armed (with a firearm) Israeli settler in the West Bank is part of the armed occupation forces. How can a Palestinian that attacks the occupying forces be considered a terrorist? Does that mean the French Resistance were terrorists? I don't get the logic.

(OBERVATION)

Your view of the Israelis is not unique. The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) believes something very, very similar: Khalid Mishaal, HAMAS Vision for Palestine Issues:

8. The Zionist project is a racist, hostile, and expansionist project based on murder and terrorism. Hence, it is the enemy of the Palestinian people and nation and poses a real threat to them, as well as to their security and interests. Indeed, it would not be an exaggeration to say that it is a danger to the security of the humanitarian community, its interests and its stability.​

(COMMENT)

Any Palestinian who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Israeli Occupying Power, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

The death penalty on a any Arab-Palestinian may be imposed in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the Israeli Defense Force installations or Border Police Facilities or attacks which have caused the death of one or more persons.

In late 2012, Khalid Mishaal, the Chief of the Political Bureau of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) released this Policy Paper relative to the HAMAS Vision: “The Islamists in the Arab World and the Palestinian Issue, In Light of the Arab Uprisings,”.

Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.

§ Independent Palestinian national decision: This is a principle that is based on non-dependency or reliance on any other country or party in the world, whether it be a friend, ally, enemy, or opponent. However, this does not mean, nor can we accept it in the context of limiting the Palestinian issue to the Palestinians and terminating or weakening the Arab and Islamic roles. The issue of Palestine was, and will remain, not only an Arab and Islamic issue, but also a humanitarian issue.

• Resistance: This is a primary principle and our strategic choice. Some have had doubts that talk of a truce is giving up on the resistance; this of course arbitrary. In short, the path of resistance, in terms of its preparation, organization, and performance for the liberation of Palestine, is a path that cannot be interrupted. In addition to this, the management of the decision of escalation and truce, as well as diversifying our methods and manners, all fall under the process of managing the decision, and not the principle of the decision, as the principle cannot be changed.

• Moreover, even if the enemy and the settlers are out of Gaza, Gaza cannot be taken out of the circle of the conflict, even though necessity calls for the change of its role in the battle by virtue of its circumstances. Thankfully, Gaza is still a source of hope, not only for Palestine but for the entire region. We have just emerged from an aggressive war on the Gaza Strip, which was ended with a victory for the Palestinian resistance, which succeeded in ending the war on its terms.

• In the case of the West Bank, the absence of the resistance for several years does not change its origin or principle, but is a necessity for our people due to the massive security pressures from every direction, near and far. We consider the decline of the resisting role inevitable and a forced reality we strive to overcome by upholding our intention and preparing for a new start. Allah willing, the resistance will return to the West Bank, reassuming its effective and essential role in every phase of the Palestinian struggle, as the enemy will not withdraw from our land without the pressure of resistance.​

This is a form of rationalization and justification to support the incitement to action in opposition to the prohibition in Chapter I, Article 2(4) of the Charter; and the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. Currently, the motivation of HAMAS has three bedrock ideas:

• No abandonment of rights (not comprehensively defined);
• No abandonment of any part of Palestine;
• No recognition of “Israel.”
​

This is not so different in construct to the Khartoum Resolution (1967):

• No peace with Israel,
• No recognition of Israel,
• No negotiations with Israel.
​

WHAT does all this mean? I implies that the Palestinians, as separate and independent terrorist entities, have established institutionalized regime of systematic targeting Israelis and a mission to remove the Jewish State of Israel.

The Palestinians routinely target civilians and civilian objects.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinian national liberation movement is no different than any other national liberation movement. The ANC targeted civilians routinely, the Algerian FLN routinely targeted civilians, Irgun routinely targeted civilians. The leaders and members of the ANC, FLN and Irgun are now national heroes. You are the epitome of hypocrisy.

Palestine bowel movement failed. The Arabs attacked the Jews in their own holy land, a civil war erupted, and the Jews were victorious. Hence the state of Israel was established. Deal with it.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

You want to be careful in choosing a role model.

The Palestinian national liberation movement is no different than any other national liberation movement. The ANC targeted civilians routinely, the Algerian FLN routinely targeted civilians, Irgun routinely targeted civilians. The leaders and members of the ANC, FLN and Irgun are now national heroes. You are the epitome of hypocrisy.

(COMMENT)

First, the Irgun was a pre-Independence organization that was itself expunged by the Jewish for its excesses. Not only did the Mandatory considered the Irgun as terrorists, so did nearly all the Allied Command Europe (the "5 Eyes" including the US), as well as the Council of League of Nations and later the UN.

The ANC (like many groups of its kind in that era) was described as a social democratic political party. It was initially peaceful in its measures, but gradually becoming ever increasingly militant in its nature.

The FLN was a complex asymmetric organization that was more prone to radicalization; especially in-terms of terrorism, combat excesses. It isnot an organization that anyone really wants to be historically associated unless you have a bit of a sociopathic tendency.

Most Respectfully,
R