Immigration LAW 1907. TITLE 8, U.S.C. 1324

[The Original Tree]

That power has to be delegated somewhere or it is unConstitutional and null and void, from Inception if we have to quibble about it in Any serious venue.

The Power to regulate Immigration was always assumed to exist since the inception of America. It was further defined in The 14th Amendment.

The 14th Amendment discusses persons who already have legal status in The US, and whom The United States has Jurisdiction over.

The United States does not have Jurisdiction over Foreign Nationals, so therefore, the 14th Amendment only applies to legal residents with legal status in The US who The US has Jurisdiction over, therefore making them subject to US law, and afforded the rights and protections persons of Legal Status are guaranteed.

Illegal Aliens have No Legal Status in The United States so this is why they can be removed from The US and deported back to their country of Origin. Their country of origin is who has legal jurisdiction on them.

You cannot deport a US Citizen, like you can a Foreign National or Illegal Alien.

Also The Anchor Baby Scenario is a Myth, and is nothing but a political football. Eventually that myth will be shattered by SCOTUS when the right case is brought before it.

DACA is also illegal and is not lawful.

This too at some point will be shot down.

The United States does have jurisdiction over anyone on US soil with the exception of foreign diplomats. Illegals have the right to petition the US courts in regards to immigration laws. They also have the same rights as any US citizen in any court in the land.

The Anchor baby scenario is enshrined in the 14th Amendment. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand what it means. What you want is the Supreme Court to ignore the Constitution and substitute their political judgment.

DACA is legal at the very least under contract law. Obama agreed to defer any deportation as long as they met the requirement of undergoing training or have a job. That is a very Republican idea. I have no doubt that Ronald Reagan would have supported it.

Just Wrong. Jurisdiction refers to country of origin in which one is a citizen and has the rights and responsibilities granted that citizen in that country.

The Jurisdiction which presides over an Illegal Alien is Their Country of Origin in which they have citizenship. This is why they are deported back to the country which has Jurisdiction over them.

They are remanded over via deportation to the proper jurisdiction, and that is their country of origin.

You are wrong. This is the definition of jurisdiction.

the official power to make legal decisions and judgments.
"federal courts had no jurisdiction over the case" ·
authority · control · power · dominion · rule · administration · command · sway · leadership · sovereignty · ascendancy · hegemony · mastery · say · influence

• the extent of the power to make legal decisions and judgments.
  "the claim will be within the jurisdiction of the industrial tribunal"
• a system of law courts; a judicature.
  "in some jurisdictions there is a mandatory death sentence for murder"
• the territory or sphere of activity over which the legal authority of a court or other institution extends.
  "several different tax jurisdictions"

Clearly a illegal can be held, tried and confined if they commit any crime. Only foreign diplomats do not fall under the jurisdiction of the US courts. El Chapo was a Mexican citizen not a US citizen yet he was tried is US courts and will be confined in a US facility.

One more time, an Illegal who commits a crime can be tried for that crime in The US because we have a treaty with the country of their origin and jurisdiction to allow prosecution of them.

That country usually also has a signed agreement with The US to prosecute US Citizens who commit crimes in their country. Without such agreements you can not prosecute them, and there are countries that do not have any Extradition Treaties with The US. Criminals usually flee to such countries.

If you did not have an agreement with the country of origin who has jurisdiction over them, the only thing you could do was deport them.

 

[protectionist]

So you say doctor. You haven't examined her so you have no clue what you are talking about. He should not be in jail. Trump and you should be in jail. You are driven by hate. You are un-American and un-patriotic.

What I'm talking about is beside the point of health, the woman had no reason or business to enter the US, pregnant or not. She was in Mexico, hundreds of miles from the US border. That's where she should have stayed. And that's where she would be now, if not for the actions of criminals like Senator Wyden, and YOU.

You are un-American and un-patriotic, and are a disgrace to the hundreds of thousands of military heros who sacrificed their lives defending this country from foreign invasion, as you engage in activity to facilitate just that.

 

[The Original Tree]

My opinion is, that counting Illegal Aliens, and Registering them to Vote through California's Motor Voter Registration, is not only ILLEGAL according to Immigration Law, but is also a Violation of The 14th Amendment Section 2.

Attempts to Defraud other states of Federal Tax Dollars, and Proper Representation in Congress by Registering Illegal Aliens to Vote and Counting them in The Census is Fraud, and a violation of Section 2

These states therefore should have the number of their Representatives Reduced by the Number of Illegal Aliens living in their State.

Its that simple, and that clear. This is why The Left has fought to keep The Citizenship Question off of The Census because they know they are in violation of Section 2, and they should experience the consequences of their actions.

There is no evidence to support your claim. Republicans have not found even 100 illegal votes . The question is why did Trump fight so hard to get it on the ballot. Because he was told that Hispanic citizens would be intimidated into not filling it out and thus increasing Republican political power.

I have The Law, and you have feelings.

End of The Debate.

I have the law on my side. The fact that no one has been prosecuted and that shows that my interpretation is correct.

End of The Debate.

No one has been prosecuted because it is a politically touchy thing to do. But they can be prosecuted, and if this situation continues to fester, you may begin to see politicians get prosecuted for such crimes in a Zero Tolerance Policy.

 

[busybee01]

You are a lying weasel. Law enforcement does NOT have to cooperate with ICE. Local law enforcement can be deputized only with that agency's permission.

But if any government official deliberately attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, any illegal alien, they could be imprisoned for 5 years, in a federal prison, FOR EACH ALIEN in respect to whom such a violation occurs.

So you conceal, harbor, or shield from detection (as in passing sanctuary law), 1000 illegal aliens in your town, you get sentenced to 5,000 years in federal prison. Enforce the law, AG Barr. LOCK THEM UP!

Sanctuary laws by themselves are not illegal. Telling local law enforcement to not ask people about their immigration status is not illegal. There is no law requiring local governments or law enforcement to enforce immigration law.

Yes they are illegal. You cannot knowingly harbor an Illegal alien and help them avoid apprehension by Law Enforcement.
People need to be prosecuted for this.

They are not. You do not have to inquire about anyone's immigration status. You are not required to hold anyone beyond the time the local courts allot.

 

[The Original Tree]

You are a lying weasel. Law enforcement does NOT have to cooperate with ICE. Local law enforcement can be deputized only with that agency's permission.

But if any government official deliberately attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, any illegal alien, they could be imprisoned for 5 years, in a federal prison, FOR EACH ALIEN in respect to whom such a violation occurs.

So you conceal, harbor, or shield from detection (as in passing sanctuary law), 1000 illegal aliens in your town, you get sentenced to 5,000 years in federal prison. Enforce the law, AG Barr. LOCK THEM UP!

Sanctuary laws by themselves are not illegal. Telling local law enforcement to not ask people about their immigration status is not illegal. There is no law requiring local governments or law enforcement to enforce immigration law.

Yes they are illegal. You cannot knowingly harbor an Illegal alien and help them avoid apprehension by Law Enforcement.
People need to be prosecuted for this.

They are not. You do not have to inquire about anyone's immigration status. You are not required to hold anyone beyond the time the local courts allot.

There is NO PROHIBITION stopping anyone from inquiring about anyone's immigration status. In Fact, Questions about Citizenship status have appeared on the Census since the beginning of this country, until Obama removed it. There is Zero legal reason prohibiting questions about Citizenship status in our laws.

The Federal Government if it so wanted could charge people with Obstruction of Justice and violations of Immigration Law if they so chose to do so, in these lawless sanctuary cities, and there is nothing anyone could do about it.

They would be in front of a Federal Judge, Pronto, Tonto.

 

[busybee01]

So you say doctor. You haven't examined her so you have no clue what you are talking about. He should not be in jail. Trump and you should be in jail. You are driven by hate. You are un-American and un-patriotic.

What I'm talking about is beside the point of health, the woman had no reason or business to enter the US, pregnant or not. She was in Mexico, hundreds of miles from the US border. That's where she should have stayed. And that's where she would be now, if not for the actions of criminals like Senator Wyden, and YOU.

You are un-American and un-patriotic, and are a disgrace to the hundreds of thousands of military heros who sacrificed their lives defending this country from foreign invasion, as you engage in activity to facilitate just that.

She was in need of medical attention and she had every right to seek asylum. US laws state that asylum requests have to be made on US soil. No one is a criminal. You are a fascist who wants to jail anyone who disagrees with you. You are un-American and un-patriotic.

 

[protectionist]

Where is your evidence of illegal voting?

HA HA HA. July of 2019, and liberals are still trying to pass the cockamamie idea of illegals not voting. I have shot that one down many times in this forum.

Texas Democrats ask noncitizens to register to vote

Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/Safe-Spaces_Final.pdf

Finally Proof of Illegal Alien Voting

Noncitizens, Voting Violations and U.S. Elections | Federation for American Immigration Reform

Illegal Aliens Really Do Vote – a Lot

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/Report_Alien-Invasion-in-Virginia.pdf

Exclusive: Florida Investigating Potential Non-Citizen Voters

Do non-citizens vote in U.S. elections? - ScienceDirect

Poll Shows Noncitizens Can Shape Elections

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/Philadelphia-Litigation-Report.pdf

 

[busybee01]

You are a lying weasel. Law enforcement does NOT have to cooperate with ICE. Local law enforcement can be deputized only with that agency's permission.

But if any government official deliberately attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, any illegal alien, they could be imprisoned for 5 years, in a federal prison, FOR EACH ALIEN in respect to whom such a violation occurs.

So you conceal, harbor, or shield from detection (as in passing sanctuary law), 1000 illegal aliens in your town, you get sentenced to 5,000 years in federal prison. Enforce the law, AG Barr. LOCK THEM UP!

Sanctuary laws by themselves are not illegal. Telling local law enforcement to not ask people about their immigration status is not illegal. There is no law requiring local governments or law enforcement to enforce immigration law.

Yes they are illegal. You cannot knowingly harbor an Illegal alien and help them avoid apprehension by Law Enforcement.
People need to be prosecuted for this.

They are not. You do not have to inquire about anyone's immigration status. You are not required to hold anyone beyond the time the local courts allot.

There is NO PROHIBITION stopping anyone from inquiring about anyone's immigration status. In Fact, Questions about Citizenship status have appeared on the Census since the beginning of this country, until Obama removed it. There is Zero legal reason prohibiting questions about Citizenship status in our laws.

The Federal Government if it so wanted could charge people with Obstruction of Justice and violations of Immigration Law if they so chose to do so, in these lawless sanctuary cities, and there is nothing anyone could do about it.

They would be in front of a Federal Judge, Pronto, Tonto.

More dishonesty. The citizenship question has not appeared on the census since 1950. The question has been on the American Community Survey and was not removed by Obama. The fact is that Trump saw no need to include a citizenship question until he was told that it would help Republicans.

There is no requirement that they inquire into someone's citizenship so it is not illegal not to do so. The reason that they haven't is because tey know tey would never get a conviction.

 

[toobfreak]

~ ~ ~ state and local governments should bow down before the feds ~ ~ ~

You're pretty funny, Dexter, maybe you should go read the organic law of this country which ascribes the Federal government's first order of business of providing for the common defense of the nation and to protect its borders from all enemies outside (or within). The states have NO jurisdiction over immigration. The Democratic Party stands guilty of sedition and treason in the United States.

 

[The Original Tree]

So you say doctor. You haven't examined her so you have no clue what you are talking about. He should not be in jail. Trump and you should be in jail. You are driven by hate. You are un-American and un-patriotic.

What I'm talking about is beside the point of health, the woman had no reason or business to enter the US, pregnant or not. She was in Mexico, hundreds of miles from the US border. That's where she should have stayed. And that's where she would be now, if not for the actions of criminals like Senator Wyden, and YOU.

You are un-American and un-patriotic, and are a disgrace to the hundreds of thousands of military heros who sacrificed their lives defending this country from foreign invasion, as you engage in activity to facilitate just that.

Se was in need of medical attention and she had every right to seek asylum. US laws state that asylum requests have to be made on US soil. No one is a criminal. You are a fascist who wants to jail anyone who disagrees with you. You are un-American and un-patriotic.

Medical Attention is not a cause for Asylum.
She should be deported.
She could have sought Medical Attention in the country she was in.
She wanted Free Medical Care, wanted me to pay for it, and she wanted to break the law to get all the Free Shit Democrats Incentivize her with to come in to this country so they can defraud The American Citizen of their rightful representation in Congress and water down their votes, and then gather to themselves an unfair share of Federal Tax Dollars, and an unfair share of Representation in Government.

 

[gallantwarrior]

If they would start with a flagrant lawbreaker like Libby Schaaf in Oakland and give her a long sentence for defying federal law, it might get the attention of some other lawbreakers. A couple 100 year sentences would do wonders for compliance.

I just saw on the news last night, some Democrat Representative actually helping a pregnant illegal immigrant sneak in to the country so she could drop her baby on this side of the border.

Now, that is illegal to do, so why isn't this Congressman being brought up on charges. The whole reason a lot of this is happening is that these people are politically insulated from being prosecuted. That needs to stop.

What ever happened to "No One Is Above The Law?"

This is a felony to do this.

Democratic senator intervenes to help pregnant Mexican woman make asylum claim

You are a lying little weasel. The woman had health issues which had to be looked at. It is called compassion.

Health issues? Ship her back to where she came from to have her "health issues" looked at. She wanted to drop anchor here.
Imagine if that US senator had the same compassion for his own constituents. I'm guessing they don't make the same kind of press for a virtue-signaling politician, though, do they?

 

[busybee01]

You are a lying little weasel. The woman had health issues which had to be looked at. It is called compassion.

DELIBERATE "health issues". There was no need for a pregnant woman to be criminally entering the US, together with a criminal US senator, both of whom should be in JAIL this minute.

Good post, Original Tree.

So you say doctor. You haven't examined her so you have no clue what you are talking about. He should not be in jail. Trump and you should be in jail. You are driven by hate. You are un-American and un-patriotic.

The only one who broke any laws, was The Senator, and his Illegal Alien.

Wrong. Try reading Jesus' parable of the Good Samaritan.

 

[The Original Tree]

But if any government official deliberately attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, any illegal alien, they could be imprisoned for 5 years, in a federal prison, FOR EACH ALIEN in respect to whom such a violation occurs.

So you conceal, harbor, or shield from detection (as in passing sanctuary law), 1000 illegal aliens in your town, you get sentenced to 5,000 years in federal prison. Enforce the law, AG Barr. LOCK THEM UP!

Sanctuary laws by themselves are not illegal. Telling local law enforcement to not ask people about their immigration status is not illegal. There is no law requiring local governments or law enforcement to enforce immigration law.

Yes they are illegal. You cannot knowingly harbor an Illegal alien and help them avoid apprehension by Law Enforcement.
People need to be prosecuted for this.

They are not. You do not have to inquire about anyone's immigration status. You are not required to hold anyone beyond the time the local courts allot.

There is NO PROHIBITION stopping anyone from inquiring about anyone's immigration status. In Fact, Questions about Citizenship status have appeared on the Census since the beginning of this country, until Obama removed it. There is Zero legal reason prohibiting questions about Citizenship status in our laws.

The Federal Government if it so wanted could charge people with Obstruction of Justice and violations of Immigration Law if they so chose to do so, in these lawless sanctuary cities, and there is nothing anyone could do about it.

They would be in front of a Federal Judge, Pronto, Tonto.

More dishonesty. The citizenship question has not appeared on the census since 1950. The question has been on the American Community Survey and was not removed by Obama. The fact is that Trump saw no need to include a citizenship question until he was told that it would help Republicans.

There is no requirement that they inquire into someone's citizenship so it is not illegal not to do so. The reason that they haven't is because tey know tey would never get a conviction.

The Only Strategy The Left has is to Lie, and Lie about The Lies They Tell to push Their Anti-American Socialist Globalist Agenda.

The Democrats do not want The American Citizen to know how many illegal aliens are here, and how they are being defrauded in both Representation in Government, and Defrauded in receiving their fair share of Federal Tax Dollars.

How The ‘Citizenship Question’ Changed Over The Decades
A question about citizenship or naturalization has been included on the census for either all households or selective households, on and off, since 1820.

1820 Heads of household were asked how many foreign-born people "not naturalized" were in their homes.
1830 Heads of household were asked how many white "foreigners not naturalized" were in their homes.
1870 Is the person a male citizen of the United States of 21 years or upwards?" was asked of all people.
1890 Census workers asked about the naturalization status of foreign-born men age 21 or older.
1900 Census workers asked about the naturalization status of foreign-born men age 21 or older.
1910 Census workers asked about the naturalization status of foreign-born men age 21 or older.
1920 Census workers asked about the naturalization status of foreign-born people.
1930 Census workers asked about the naturalization status of foreign-born people.
1940 Census workers asked about the citizenship status of foreign-born people.
1950 "Is he naturalized?"was asked of foreign-born people.
1970 "Is this person naturalized?" was asked of foreign-born people in 1 out of 20 households.
1980" Is this person a naturalized citizen of the United States?"was asked of foreign-born people in 1 out of 5 households.
1990" Is this person a citizen of the United States?" was asked of all people in 1 out of 6 households.
2000" Is this person a citizen of the United States?" was asked of all people in about 1 out of 6 households.
2020" Is this person a citizen of the United States?" may be asked of all people in every household.

See 200 Years Of Twists And Turns Of Census Citizenship Questions

 

[gallantwarrior]

My opinion is, that counting Illegal Aliens, and Registering them to Vote through California's Motor Voter Registration, is not only ILLEGAL according to Immigration Law, but is also a Violation of The 14th Amendment Section 2.

Attempts to Defraud other states of Federal Tax Dollars, and Proper Representation in Congress by Registering Illegal Aliens to Vote and Counting them in The Census is Fraud, and a violation of Section 2

These states therefore should have the number of their Representatives Reduced by the Number of Illegal Aliens living in their State.

Its that simple, and that clear. This is why The Left has fought to keep The Citizenship Question off of The Census because they know they are in violation of Section 2, and they should experience the consequences of their actions.

There is no evidence to support your claim. Republicans have not found even 100 illegal votes . The question is why did Trump fight so hard to get it on the ballot. Because he was told that Hispanic citizens would be intimidated into not filling it out and thus increasing Republican political power.

That's bullshit and anyone with a lick of sense would realize that Hispanics with legal standing would not fear filling out the census.

 

[gallantwarrior]

You are a lying little weasel. The woman had health issues which had to be looked at. It is called compassion.

DELIBERATE "health issues". There was no need for a pregnant woman to be criminally entering the US, together with a criminal US senator, both of whom should be in JAIL this minute.

Good post, Original Tree.

So you say doctor. You haven't examined her so you have no clue what you are talking about. He should not be in jail. Trump and you should be in jail. You are driven by hate. You are un-American and un-patriotic.

You're positive that the senator made a thorough examination of this woman to determine her "health issues" were acute enough to warrant his interference? Since when is labor an acute "health issue"?

 

[toobfreak]

More dishonesty. The citizenship question has not appeared on the census since 1950.

Starting in 1970, questions about citizenship were included in the long-form census questionnaire. For instance, in 2000, those who received the long form were asked, "Is this person a CITIZEN of the United States?"

Later, the census added the American Community Survey, conducted every year and sent to 3.5 million households. It began being fully implemented in 2005. It asks many of the same questions as the census long-form surveys from 1970 to 2000, including the citizenship question.

FACT CHECK: Has Citizenship Been A Standard Census Question?

https://nypost.com/2019/06/17/citizenship-questions-are-nothing-new-for-the-census/

Don't try to shit us, turd boy, WHERE the question is asked is IMMATERIAL. It is asked.

 

[busybee01]

Where is your evidence of illegal voting?

HA HA HA. July of 2019, and liberals are still trying to pass the cockamamie idea of illegals not voting. I have shot that one down many times in this forum.

I've posted a list of about 10 links pertaining to illegal alien voting, repeatedly over the years. Damnd if I can find them now. I 'll keep looking, I'll find them eventually.

Name court cases not more opinion. Texas election officials tried to do that and all it showed is figures lie and liars figure.

 

[toobfreak]

Medical Attention is not a cause for Asylum.

More than that, Tree, the ONLY justification for asylum is provable persecution in your country where staying there put your life at risk. Then your duty is to seek asylum in THE FIRST COUNTRY you enter where you are safe from persecution.

ECONOMIC WANT is NOT justification for asylum, and 99.9% of the people coming here are OSTENSIBLY coming here over Mexico, Brazil or some other country purely because they are looking for more money.

DENIED.

 

[The Original Tree]

It can be given to the children of Foreigners who have LEGAL STATUS in THE US, and that is why "Jurisdiction" phrase is included in the 14th Amendment. There is a path to citizenship through legal means when you have Legal Status.

Illegals have no Legal Status and therefore their Jurisdiction is in their country of origin. There is no path to citizenship for someone who is here illegally. Not even their children when born here can become citizens unless they apply and are approved for some type of legal status which then allows them to pursue citizenship.

I don't see Howard as having said anything about LEGAL STATUS in THE US,

Here is what he said >> "[E]very person born within the limits of the United State, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of person." [9]

A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875

This of course is moot, since as you said, illegals DON'T HAVE legal status.

They don't have legal status. Legal Status was a way in which I can explain the difference between a nation having jurisdiction over you or not, which is that country that you hold citizenship in.

If you do not apply for legal status in The US for instance, then you are an Illegal Immigrant. This is why "Subject to The Jurisdiction" is always included in discussions of Immigration and Citizenship, because it references your legal status.

An Ambassador for instance can defect, and apply for a permanent or temporary legal status in the US. Anchor Baby status is a myth. It does not exist. A Baby born on US Soil to an Illegal Immigrant or person who has No Legal Status here does not automatically become a Citizen. This is a Myth The Democrat Party has been perpetuating for years.

This is why a person here on an immigration VISA, Work VISA, or Student VISA can take a path to Citizenship, by legally applying for permanent immigration status, and apply for Citizenship thereafter.

An Illegal Immigrant has no Legal Status, since they did not apply for legal status that would place them under The Jurisdiction of the US Government and Federal Law which Governs Immigration and Citizenship Applications.

They still remain under The Jurisdiction of their country of origin for which they hold citizenship. This is why they can be deported back to the country that has jurisdiction over them, their country of origin for which they are a citizen of.

 

[The Original Tree]

Medical Attention is not a cause for Asylum.

More than that, Tree, the ONLY justification for asylum is provable persecution in your country where staying there put your life at risk. Then your duty is to seek asylum in THE FIRST COUNTRY you enter where you are safe from persecution.

ECONOMIC WANT is NOT justification for asylum, and 99.9% of the people coming here are OSTENSIBLY coming here over Mexico, Brazil or some other country purely because they are looking for more money.

DENIED.

CORRECT!