Immigration LAW 1907. TITLE 8, U.S.C. 1324

Do you think Sanctuary Cities should CONTINUE to get away with Breaking The Law and Go Unpunished?

  • Yes, I hate America, and want it transformed by Foreigners with No Allegiance to America

    Votes: 2 7.7%
  • No, America is the last Hope for True Freedom in The World and we need to protect what is left of it

    Votes: 24 92.3%

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The United States does have jurisdiction over anyone on US soil with the exception of foreign diplomats. Illegals have the right to petition the US courts in regards to immigration laws. They also have the same rights as any US citizen in any court in the land.

The Anchor baby scenario is enshrined in the 14th Amendment. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand what it means. What you want is the Supreme Court to ignore the Constitution and substitute their political judgment.

DACA is legal at the very least under contract law. Obama agreed to defer any deportation as long as they met the requirement of undergoing training or have a job. That is a very Republican idea. I have no doubt that Ronald Reagan would have supported it.
Whether illegals petition for fabricated claims of asylum or not, if they have violated US Code 8 Section 1325 (Entry without inspection), they are guilty of a crime, and should be imprisoned, as well as having to pay a fine.

The anchor baby scenario is a fallacy. The author of the 14th amendment (Sen. Jacob Howard) clearly stated that citizenship is not to be given to the children of foreigners.

DACA is, in no way, a Republican idea, as related to the Republican party of 2017-2019.
 
If they would start with a flagrant lawbreaker like Libby Schaaf in Oakland and give her a long sentence for defying federal law, it might get the attention of some other lawbreakers. A couple 100 year sentences would do wonders for compliance.
I just saw on the news last night, some Democrat Representative actually helping a pregnant illegal immigrant sneak in to the country so she could drop her baby on this side of the border.

Now, that is illegal to do, so why isn't this Congressman being brought up on charges. The whole reason a lot of this is happening is that these people are politically insulated from being prosecuted. That needs to stop.

What ever happened to "No One Is Above The Law?"

This is a felony to do this.

Democratic senator intervenes to help pregnant Mexican woman make asylum claim

You are a lying little weasel. The woman had health issues which had to be looked at. It is called compassion.
They have hospitals in every country. There was no reason for her to come to The US then without filing the proper paperwork.
No attempt was even made.
What the Senator did was Illegal.
 
The United States does have jurisdiction over anyone on US soil with the exception of foreign diplomats. Illegals have the right to petition the US courts in regards to immigration laws. They also have the same rights as any US citizen in any court in the land.

The Anchor baby scenario is enshrined in the 14th Amendment. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand what it means. What you want is the Supreme Court to ignore the Constitution and substitute their political judgment.

DACA is legal at the very least under contract law. Obama agreed to defer any deportation as long as they met the requirement of undergoing training or have a job. That is a very Republican idea. I have no doubt that Ronald Reagan would have supported it.
Whether illegals petition for fabricated claims of asylum or not, if they have violated US Code 8 Section 1325 (Entry without inspection), they are guilty of a crime, and should be imprisoned, as well as having to pay a fine.

The anchor baby scenario is a fallacy. The author of the 14th amendment (Sen. Jacob Howard) clearly stated that citizenship is not to be given to the children of foreigners.

DACA is, in no way, a Republican idea, as related to the Republican party of 2017-2019.
It can be given to the children of Foreigners who have LEGAL STATUS in THE US, and that is why "Jurisdiction" phrase is included in the 14th Amendment. There is a path to citizenship through legal means when you have Legal Status.

Illegals have no Legal Status and therefore their Jurisdiction is in their country of origin. There is no path to citizenship for someone who is here illegally. Not even their children when born here can become citizens unless they apply and are approved for some type of legal status which then allows them to pursue citizenship.
 
You are a lying little weasel. The woman had health issues which had to be looked at. It is called compassion.
DELIBERATE "health issues". There was no need for a pregnant woman to be criminally entering the US, together with a criminal US senator, both of whom should be in JAIL this minute.

Good post, Original Tree.
 
My opinion is, that counting Illegal Aliens, and Registering them to Vote through California's Motor Voter Registration, is not only ILLEGAL according to Immigration Law, but is also a Violation of The 14th Amendment Section 2.

Attempts to Defraud other states of Federal Tax Dollars, and Proper Representation in Congress by Registering Illegal Aliens to Vote and Counting them in The Census is Fraud, and a violation of Section 2

These states therefore should have the number of their Representatives Reduced by the Number of Illegal Aliens living in their State.

Its that simple, and that clear. This is why The Left has fought to keep The Citizenship Question off of The Census because they know they are in violation of Section 2, and they should experience the consequences of their actions.

There is no evidence to support your claim. Republicans have not found even 100 illegal votes . The question is why did Trump fight so hard to get it on the ballot. Because he was told that Hispanic citizens would be intimidated into not filling it out and thus increasing Republican political power.
 
You are a lying little weasel. The woman had health issues which had to be looked at. It is called compassion.
DELIBERATE "health issues". There was no need for a pregnant woman to be criminally entering the US, together with a criminal US senator, both of whom should be in JAIL this minute.

Good post, Original Tree.
It's time to prosecute people before more and more lawlessness becomes the norm and The Rule of Law breaks down.
 
My opinion is, that counting Illegal Aliens, and Registering them to Vote through California's Motor Voter Registration, is not only ILLEGAL according to Immigration Law, but is also a Violation of The 14th Amendment Section 2.

Attempts to Defraud other states of Federal Tax Dollars, and Proper Representation in Congress by Registering Illegal Aliens to Vote and Counting them in The Census is Fraud, and a violation of Section 2

These states therefore should have the number of their Representatives Reduced by the Number of Illegal Aliens living in their State.

Its that simple, and that clear. This is why The Left has fought to keep The Citizenship Question off of The Census because they know they are in violation of Section 2, and they should experience the consequences of their actions.

There is no evidence to support your claim. Republicans have not found even 100 illegal votes . The question is why did Trump fight so hard to get it on the ballot. Because he was told that Hispanic citizens would be intimidated into not filling it out and thus increasing Republican political power.
I have The Law, and you have feelings.

End of The Debate.
 
So when Trumpybear, or anyone really, hires illegals to work they should be charged with felony?

We Got Him Now!!!!!!

Anyone who hires an illegal alien should be charged for violating the law. Any immigrant here illegally should be sent back to their home country.

If we would quit hiring illegal immigrants, we could reduce illegal immigration since there is no means of income and no public support through welfare system.
 
Sanctuary laws by themselves are not illegal. Telling local law enforcement to not ask people about their immigration status is not illegal. There is no law requiring local governments or law enforcement to enforce immigration law.
BUT there IS A LAW (US Code 8, Section 1324, (A) (i) banning them from >> "brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien; "

George Soros and his funded groups, Pueblos Sin Fronteras have been guilty of violating this law, and some leaders of PSF have already been arrested for it, and are in jail right now. (In Mexico)

Then there's US Code 8, Section 1324 (A) (iii) >> banning them from >> "knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;

Not asking someone their immigration status is not illegal so there is no crime. Apparently you want to punish people for their thoughts. There are no thought crimes.
 
It can be given to the children of Foreigners who have LEGAL STATUS in THE US, and that is why "Jurisdiction" phrase is included in the 14th Amendment. There is a path to citizenship through legal means when you have Legal Status.

Illegals have no Legal Status and therefore their Jurisdiction is in their country of origin. There is no path to citizenship for someone who is here illegally. Not even their children when born here can become citizens unless they apply and are approved for some type of legal status which then allows them to pursue citizenship.
I don't see Howard as having said anything about LEGAL STATUS in THE US,

Here is what he said >> "[E]very person born within the limits of the United State, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of person." [9]

A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875

This of course is moot, since as you said, illegals DON'T HAVE legal status.
 
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Not asking someone their immigration status is not illegal so there is no crime. Apparently you want to punish people for their thoughts. There are no thought crimes.
You changed the subject. The statue refers to attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection. Precisely what sanctuary laws do.

Criminal INTENT.
 
Sanctuary laws by themselves are not illegal. Telling local law enforcement to not ask people about their immigration status is not illegal. There is no law requiring local governments or law enforcement to enforce immigration law.
BUT there IS A LAW (US Code 8, Section 1324, (A) (i) banning them from >> "brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien; "

George Soros and his funded groups, Pueblos Sin Fronteras have been guilty of violating this law, and some leaders of PSF have already been arrested for it, and are in jail right now. (In Mexico)

Then there's US Code 8, Section 1324 (A) (iii) >> banning them from >> "knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;

Not asking someone their immigration status is not illegal so there is no crime. Apparently you want to punish people for their thoughts. There are no thought crimes.

So if you are ignorant to the laws then you are excused? Next time you get a ticket for speeding tell the officer that you didn't know that was the speed and let me know how that goes for you.
 
That power has to be delegated somewhere or it is unConstitutional and null and void, from Inception if we have to quibble about it in Any serious venue.

The Power to regulate Immigration was always assumed to exist since the inception of America. It was further defined in The 14th Amendment.

The 14th Amendment discusses persons who already have legal status in The US, and whom The United States has Jurisdiction over.

The United States does not have Jurisdiction over Foreign Nationals, so therefore, the 14th Amendment only applies to legal residents with legal status in The US who The US has Jurisdiction over, therefore making them subject to US law, and afforded the rights and protections persons of Legal Status are guaranteed.

Illegal Aliens have No Legal Status in The United States so this is why they can be removed from The US and deported back to their country of Origin. Their country of origin is who has legal jurisdiction on them.

You cannot deport a US Citizen, like you can a Foreign National or Illegal Alien.

Also The Anchor Baby Scenario is a Myth, and is nothing but a political football. Eventually that myth will be shattered by SCOTUS when the right case is brought before it.

DACA is also illegal and is not lawful.

This too at some point will be shot down.

The United States does have jurisdiction over anyone on US soil with the exception of foreign diplomats. Illegals have the right to petition the US courts in regards to immigration laws. They also have the same rights as any US citizen in any court in the land.

The Anchor baby scenario is enshrined in the 14th Amendment. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand what it means. What you want is the Supreme Court to ignore the Constitution and substitute their political judgment.

DACA is legal at the very least under contract law. Obama agreed to defer any deportation as long as they met the requirement of undergoing training or have a job. That is a very Republican idea. I have no doubt that Ronald Reagan would have supported it.
Just Wrong. Jurisdiction refers to country of origin in which one is a citizen and has the rights and responsibilities granted that citizen in that country.

The Jurisdiction which presides over an Illegal Alien is Their Country of Origin in which they have citizenship. This is why they are deported back to the country which has Jurisdiction over them.

They are remanded over via deportation to the proper jurisdiction, and that is their country of origin.



You are wrong. This is the definition of jurisdiction.

the official power to make legal decisions and judgments.
"federal courts had no jurisdiction over the case" ·
authority · control · power · dominion · rule · administration · command · sway · leadership · sovereignty · ascendancy · hegemony · mastery · say · influence
  • the extent of the power to make legal decisions and judgments.
    "the claim will be within the jurisdiction of the industrial tribunal"
  • a system of law courts; a judicature.
    "in some jurisdictions there is a mandatory death sentence for murder"
  • the territory or sphere of activity over which the legal authority of a court or other institution extends.
    "several different tax jurisdictions"
Clearly a illegal can be held, tried and confined if they commit any crime. Only foreign diplomats do not fall under the jurisdiction of the US courts. El Chapo was a Mexican citizen not a US citizen yet he was tried is US courts and will be confined in a US facility.
 
That is about citizenship not immigration.
Wrong. Illegal Immigrants are Not Citizens. Therefore because The US does not have Jurisdiction over them, their country where their citizenship resides does, The Myth of Anchor Babies never was. You cannot illegally immigrate in to The US, have a child and declare it a citizen. DACA by the same legal reasoning is also Unconstitutional. It is also not law, but is nothing but "Delayed Action" and even within the DACA EO itself it is recognized that these people are here illegally and subject to the enforcement of immigration law, but for the EO Delaying that Enforcement.....DACA.
The US has jurisdiction once on US soil.

nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

No they do not. That has been proven over and over again with each Deportation. If the US had legal jurisdiction over Illegal Aliens, then they could not detain them without a trial, and they could not deport them either back to their country of origin which does have legal jurisdiction over them simply for being here illegally.

Jurisdiction is a broader legal term than you realize. It not only refers to a government's authority in a particular area of the law, but it also refers to your legal representation and rights in that area.

Illegal Aliens have No Jurisdiction in The US, and The US has no Jurisdiction over Illegal Aliens. This is why you can deport illegal Aliens simply for being here, but you cannot deport a US Citizen.

An Illegal Alien cannot go to a US Embassy in a Foreign Country and ask The United States for assistance. They have no Congressman or Senator, or State Rep to represent them. They have no voice, nor should they in the affairs of The United States Government, Local or State Government.

They have No Legal Status.
lol. the right wing really does, only believe in natural in abortion threads.
You make no sense at all.
the right wing only believes in natural rights in abortion threads.
 
You are a lying little weasel. The woman had health issues which had to be looked at. It is called compassion.
DELIBERATE "health issues". There was no need for a pregnant woman to be criminally entering the US, together with a criminal US senator, both of whom should be in JAIL this minute.

Good post, Original Tree.

So you say doctor. You haven't examined her so you have no clue what you are talking about. He should not be in jail. Trump and you should be in jail. You are driven by hate. You are un-American and un-patriotic.
 
That power has to be delegated somewhere or it is unConstitutional and null and void, from Inception if we have to quibble about it in Any serious venue.

The Power to regulate Immigration was always assumed to exist since the inception of America. It was further defined in The 14th Amendment.

The 14th Amendment discusses persons who already have legal status in The US, and whom The United States has Jurisdiction over.

The United States does not have Jurisdiction over Foreign Nationals, so therefore, the 14th Amendment only applies to legal residents with legal status in The US who The US has Jurisdiction over, therefore making them subject to US law, and afforded the rights and protections persons of Legal Status are guaranteed.

Illegal Aliens have No Legal Status in The United States so this is why they can be removed from The US and deported back to their country of Origin. Their country of origin is who has legal jurisdiction on them.

You cannot deport a US Citizen, like you can a Foreign National or Illegal Alien.

Also The Anchor Baby Scenario is a Myth, and is nothing but a political football. Eventually that myth will be shattered by SCOTUS when the right case is brought before it.

DACA is also illegal and is not lawful.

This too at some point will be shot down.

The United States does have jurisdiction over anyone on US soil with the exception of foreign diplomats. Illegals have the right to petition the US courts in regards to immigration laws. They also have the same rights as any US citizen in any court in the land.

The Anchor baby scenario is enshrined in the 14th Amendment. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand what it means. What you want is the Supreme Court to ignore the Constitution and substitute their political judgment.

DACA is legal at the very least under contract law. Obama agreed to defer any deportation as long as they met the requirement of undergoing training or have a job. That is a very Republican idea. I have no doubt that Ronald Reagan would have supported it.
Just Wrong. Jurisdiction refers to country of origin in which one is a citizen and has the rights and responsibilities granted that citizen in that country.

The Jurisdiction which presides over an Illegal Alien is Their Country of Origin in which they have citizenship. This is why they are deported back to the country which has Jurisdiction over them.

They are remanded over via deportation to the proper jurisdiction, and that is their country of origin.



You are wrong. This is the definition of jurisdiction.

the official power to make legal decisions and judgments.
"federal courts had no jurisdiction over the case" ·
authority · control · power · dominion · rule · administration · command · sway · leadership · sovereignty · ascendancy · hegemony · mastery · say · influence
  • the extent of the power to make legal decisions and judgments.
    "the claim will be within the jurisdiction of the industrial tribunal"
  • a system of law courts; a judicature.
    "in some jurisdictions there is a mandatory death sentence for murder"
  • the territory or sphere of activity over which the legal authority of a court or other institution extends.
    "several different tax jurisdictions"
Clearly a illegal can be held, tried and confined if they commit any crime. Only foreign diplomats do not fall under the jurisdiction of the US courts. El Chapo was a Mexican citizen not a US citizen yet he was tried is US courts and will be confined in a US facility.
The Country in which you have Citizenship has Jurisdiction over you. Why do you not understand this? Why do you think we have Embassies for Foreign Countries in The United States and Abroad?

For instance you have to have an Extradition Agreement or treaty with a Foreign Country to remove someone from that country and bring them here for a trial because that country is who has Jurisdiction over them.

El Chapo could not have been legally brought to The US to face trial without his Country of Origin who had Jurisdiction over him, agreeing to Extradite him to The US to face trial.

The same goes for Deportation which is The Opposite of Extradition. You are sent to the country that has Jurisdiction over you, rather than being sent from it which is the case in Extradition.

Liberals are either stupid or just love to lie about this stuff.

But those are the facts, and Immigration Law is clear.
 
Anyone who hires an illegal alien should be charged for violating the law. Any immigrant here illegally should be sent back to their home country.

If we would quit hiring illegal immigrants, we could reduce illegal immigration since there is no means of income and no public support through welfare system.

Employers of illegal aliens are in violation of the 1986 IRCA law, and are subject to prosecution. However, no US president has done much to go after employers of illegals. It is a very underprosecuted crime, because it is complicated and difficult to prove that employers hired illegals KNOWINGLY, especially since computers have made false documentation easy and undetectable. Courts consider such cases a waste of time, energy and taxpayer money.

Not true that illegals have "no public support through welfare system." Millions of people who criminally entered the US, currently receive US welfare of all sorts. These include family members of anchor babies, illegal aliens with false documentation, those illegally given welfare benefit$ by sympathetic, liberal welfare workers, and misinterpretation of the 14th amendment.

Currently, more immigrants receive welfare than do native-born Americans. Most of these immigrants are illegals.
 
My opinion is, that counting Illegal Aliens, and Registering them to Vote through California's Motor Voter Registration, is not only ILLEGAL according to Immigration Law, but is also a Violation of The 14th Amendment Section 2.

Attempts to Defraud other states of Federal Tax Dollars, and Proper Representation in Congress by Registering Illegal Aliens to Vote and Counting them in The Census is Fraud, and a violation of Section 2

These states therefore should have the number of their Representatives Reduced by the Number of Illegal Aliens living in their State.

Its that simple, and that clear. This is why The Left has fought to keep The Citizenship Question off of The Census because they know they are in violation of Section 2, and they should experience the consequences of their actions.

There is no evidence to support your claim. Republicans have not found even 100 illegal votes . The question is why did Trump fight so hard to get it on the ballot. Because he was told that Hispanic citizens would be intimidated into not filling it out and thus increasing Republican political power.
I have The Law, and you have feelings.

End of The Debate.

I have the law on my side. The fact that no one has been prosecuted and that shows that my interpretation is correct.

End of The Debate.
 
You are a lying little weasel. The woman had health issues which had to be looked at. It is called compassion.
DELIBERATE "health issues". There was no need for a pregnant woman to be criminally entering the US, together with a criminal US senator, both of whom should be in JAIL this minute.

Good post, Original Tree.

So you say doctor. You haven't examined her so you have no clue what you are talking about. He should not be in jail. Trump and you should be in jail. You are driven by hate. You are un-American and un-patriotic.
The only one who broke any laws, was The Senator, and his Illegal Alien.
 
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The left screams first and loudest about disenfranchising legitimate voters by requiring they identify themselves as qualified to vote. How about all of the legal, legitimate voters whose votes are nullified every time one of these illegals cast a vote. Are we not among the disenfranchised? Why does the left/lib/prog base not howl about that?

Where is your evidence of illegal voting? In SC, 32% of voters voted for Trump yet he got 100% of the delegates. That means that 68% of voters who voted for someone else were disenfranchised. You had no issue with that.
 
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