I'm not paying your "tax"

[Big Fitz]

it is only a tax to those that have to pay it, for the rest of us it is called insurance payments.

Sooooo... you're in favor of corporatism I see? The government says you either are forced to pay us or "voluntarily" pay the insurance companies?

Mussolini would LOOOOOOOove you.

 

[clevergirl]

it is only a tax to those that have to pay it, for the rest of us it is called insurance payments.

Sooooo... you're in favor of corporatism I see? The government says you either are forced to pay us or "voluntarily" pay the insurance companies?

Mussolini would LOOOOOOOove you.

Their fascist masks have finally been admitted to.

 

[Big Fitz]

For your F'n share. We been doin it in Ma under Romney care. What you can't handle it?

No. First you need to make sense. My fucking share of what? Your state's bad decision and Romney's big mistake? If you woulda been partisan and voted against it, you'd not be in this mess. The libs got what they wanted and now it sucks. Quelle suprise.

At the state level, all this bullshit is constitutional thanks to the separation of powers clause and the 10th amendment. Sucks, but if your state is too stupid to repeal it, you deserve what you get.

If we're too stupid to repeal this at the federal level, we deserve it as well.

Ok thats just nonsense.

I dont care if youre against the mandate. Thats fine. I hate it too. But damn man get your facts straight at least.

The individual mandate was first proposed by The Heritage Foundation, the ultra RIGHT wing group? ever hear of them?

And before you start in on the whole State vs Federal bullshit argument, they proposed it for the NATION, NOT on a state by state basis.

Next, you have Romneycare.

FACT SHEET:

-From 2006, the number of uninsured Massachusetts residents dropped from about 6% to about 2% in 2010
-Comparing the first half of 2007 to the first half of 2009, spending from the Health Safety Net Fund dropped 38%-40% as more people became insured
-According to the DHCFP's quarterly Key Indicator reports, 89,000 people bought healthcare insurance directly as of June 2009, up from 40,000 in June 2006.
-A study conducted by the Urban Institute and released in December 2010 by the Massachusetts Division of Health Care Finance and Policy stated that as of June 2010, 98.1 percent of state residents had coverage.

Massachusetts health care reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

“Here in Massachusetts for the last six years using a model just like national health care reform, the Affordable Care Act, we have reached 99.8 percent of children, over 98 percent of our overall population with insurance. We are healthier by any number of measures, the cost of health care has come down on a per capita basis, it has not busted the budget. There are more businesses offering insurance to their employees today than before health insurance went into effect, so all the list of horrors that Gov. Romney talked about, that the congressional Republicans have talked about were not actually reality here in Massachusetts where we have tried that.”

– Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick

The orphaned RomneyCare thrives nonetheless | Jay Bookman

and heres what Mitt had to say about it.

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the ULTIMATE conservatism! He says.

No mandate he says, if that isnt socialism I dont know what is.



So please STOP pretending like the Conservatives LOST with this decision, Its a farce. The Conservatives WON big time...and they got the Democrats to do it for them. THATS powerful politicing right there.

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So much for trustworthiness on this article

 

[Big Fitz]

it is only a tax to those that have to pay it, for the rest of us it is called insurance payments.

Sooooo... you're in favor of corporatism I see? The government says you either are forced to pay us or "voluntarily" pay the insurance companies?

Mussolini would LOOOOOOOove you.

Their fascist masks have finally been admitted to.

Admitted and proudly worn.

 

[The T]

it is only a tax to those that have to pay it, for the rest of us it is called insurance payments.

Sooooo... you're in favor of corporatism I see? The government says you either are forced to pay us or "voluntarily" pay the insurance companies?

Mussolini would LOOOOOOOove you.

Their fascist masks have finally been admitted to.

10 years ago they weren't so open about it. NOW they flaunt it.

 

[Big Fitz]

The individual mandate was first proposed by The Heritage Foundation, the ultra RIGHT wing group? ever hear of them?

Proposed, but not passed and now repudiated as a mistake.

Heritage foundation image from their Facebook feed. Lower right.

-From 2006, the number of uninsured Massachusetts residents dropped from about 6% to about 2% in 2010

To what benefit versus what expense? Oh that's right, it's going broke for that 4%.

the ULTIMATE conservatism! He says.

No mandate he says, if that isnt socialism I dont know what is.

Sounds like a campaign lie to me. I didn't buy it then. I still don't buy it now. This is why conservatives are queasy about him. Now, 4 years later, we can look back and SEE clearly what a lie it was and why we should never repeat that mistake at the federal level.

 

[Big Fitz]

Sooooo... you're in favor of corporatism I see? The government says you either are forced to pay us or "voluntarily" pay the insurance companies?

Mussolini would LOOOOOOOove you.

Their fascist masks have finally been admitted to.

10 years ago they weren't so open about it. NOW they flaunt it.

Yep. That's part of the beauty of the Robert's opinion.

 

[The T]

The individual mandate was first proposed by The Heritage Foundation, the ultra RIGHT wing group? ever hear of them?

Proposed, but not passed and now repudiated as a mistake.

Heritage foundation image from their Facebook feed. Lower right.

-From 2006, the number of uninsured Massachusetts residents dropped from about 6% to about 2% in 2010

To what benefit versus what expense? Oh that's right, it's going broke for that 4%.

the ULTIMATE conservatism! He says.

No mandate he says, if that isnt socialism I dont know what is.

Sounds like a campaign lie to me. I didn't buy it then. I still don't buy it now. This is why conservatives are queasy about him. Now, 4 years later, we can look back and SEE clearly what a lie it was and why we should never repeat that mistake at the federal level.

Agreed.

 

[dblack]

Their fascist masks have finally been admitted to.

10 years ago they weren't so open about it. NOW they flaunt it.

Yep. That's part of the beauty of the Robert's opinion.

Yep. He basically said to all of us: "The Court won't be there for. We're already bought and paid for. You're gonna have to fight this one on your own."

 

[JakeStarkey]

Since when did electoral, judicial, and constitutional process become 'fascism'?

You prefer libertarianism, the fliip side to communism?

 

[Vanquish]

They need to start a whole section of Snopes.com just for conservative wing-nut theories, I swear. No deathpanels. No death camps. No RFID chips. No bank account monitoring. Obama not born in another country. No civilian army. No criminal penalties for Healthcare tax.

Definitely. We could follow it up with the liberal equivocation that passive fools believe. "It's not a tax", "No criminal penalties (unless of course you don't pay the 'civil' penalties)".

Oh it's a tax. But the fool you're talking about is Romney. He said "it's not a tax, it's a fee." I dare you to challenge me. I've got video

 

[JakeStarkey]

10 years ago they weren't so open about it. NOW they flaunt it.

Yep. That's part of the beauty of the Robert's opinion.

Yep. He basically said to all of us: "The Court won't be there for. We're already bought and paid for. You're gonna have to fight this one on your own."

Consider what Roberts thinks or what you think? Easy choice. Step off.

 

[Oddball]

They need to start a whole section of Snopes.com just for conservative wing-nut theories, I swear. No deathpanels. No death camps. No RFID chips. No bank account monitoring. Obama not born in another country. No civilian army. No criminal penalties for Healthcare tax.

Wish they would...It's not like Snopes has that much credibility to lose in the first place.

 

[The T]

10 years ago they weren't so open about it. NOW they flaunt it.

Yep. That's part of the beauty of the Robert's opinion.

Yep. He basically said to all of us: "The Court won't be there for. We're already bought and paid for. You're gonna have to fight this one on your own."

I'm frankly flummoxed that Roberts didn't follow the dissent...but is what it is...(sorry for the tired Axiom), so now it rests in OUR hands to torpedo the entire LAW.

 

[dblack]

Oh it's a tax. But the fool you're talking about is Romney. He said "it's not a tax, it's a fee." I dare you to challenge me. I've got video

Romney is worse than Obama. He started all of this in the first place.

 

[The T]

Oh it's a tax. But the fool you're talking about is Romney. He said "it's not a tax, it's a fee." I dare you to challenge me. I've got video

Romney is worse than Obama. He started all of this in the first place.

And that was on a STATE level. BIG difference.

 

[clevergirl]

Oh it's a tax. But the fool you're talking about is Romney. He said "it's not a tax, it's a fee." I dare you to challenge me. I've got video

Romney is worse than Obama. He started all of this in the first place.

The Massachusetts law is different in important ways from the plan that Romney pushed as governor. Few voters know, for example, that Romney strongly opposed the employer mandate and wanted an escape from the individual mandate -- allowing people to instead be able to post a bond if they were uninsured and had big medical bills. When Romney signed the law, he believed it contained the escape hatch, but legislators removed it before final passage.

Romney vetoed eight provisions of the Massachusetts bill, and every one of his vetoes was overridden by the legislature. Should Romney have known this was likely?

The American Spectator : Romney's Best Defense: The Truth About Romneycare

 

[JakeStarkey]

The point to make is that Romney, when elected, will work for reform and revise far more than repeal.

 

[Stephanie]

They need to start a whole section of Snopes.com just for conservative wing-nut theories, I swear. No deathpanels. No death camps. No RFID chips. No bank account monitoring. Obama not born in another country. No civilian army. No criminal penalties for Healthcare tax.

Definitely. We could follow it up with the liberal equivocation that passive fools believe. "It's not a tax", "No criminal penalties (unless of course you don't pay the 'civil' penalties)".

Oh it's a tax. But the fool you're talking about is Romney. He said "it's not a tax, it's a fee." I dare you to challenge me. I've got video

and that matters with obama lying about it how?

 

[Vanquish]

So you're telling me you want the video. Ok. Here you go.

Romney: "It's not a tax hike. It is a fee, an assessment." - YouTube

Yeah. He seems strongly against it there. *eyeroll*

The difference between Federal and State makes NO difference when applied to the mandate. Sorry chums. Why not? Because it serves the same ESSENTIAL PURPOSE in both, which is to make sure that people are pooled to lower costs. State-shmate. It makes no difference.