I'm Gonna Buy My Bottle Tomorrow For My Toast When They Slam The Door On Obamacare

[8537]

Just to be clear on the Mandate.

The "individual mandate," which requires virtually all Americans to obtain health insurance or pay a fine, was the brainchild of conservative economists and embraced by some of the nation's most prominent Republicans for nearly two decades. Yet today, many of those champions -- including presidential hopefuls Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich -- are among the mandate's most vocal critics.

Meanwhile, even as Democratic stalwarts warmed to the idea in recent years, one of the last holdouts was the man whose political fate is now most closely intertwined with the mandate: Obama.

"The ironies to this story are endless and everywhere," said John McDonough, a professor at the Harvard University School of Public Health who, as a Senate Democratic staffer, played a key role in drafting the law.

The tale begins in the late 1980s, when conservative economists such as Mark Pauly, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business, were searching for ways to counter liberal calls for government-sponsored universal health coverage.

"We wanted to find an alternative that was more consistent with market-oriented economic ideas and would involve less government intervention," Pauly said.

His solution: a system of tax credits to ensure that all Americans could purchase at least bare-bones "catastrophic" coverage.

Pauly then proposed a mandate requiring everyone to obtain this minimum coverage, thus guarding against "free riders": people who refuse to buy insurance and then, in a crisis, receive care whose costs are absorbed by hospitals, the government and other consumers.

Heath-policy analysts at the conservative Heritage Foundation, led by Stuart Butler, picked up the idea and began developing it for lawmakers in Congress.

By 1993, when President Bill Clinton was readying his major health-care overhaul bill, the Heritage approach -- subsidizing and facilitating the purchase of private health plans, while using the individual mandate to maximize participation -- had gelled as the natural Republican alternative.

Read more: Health mandate was originally a Republican idea

My favorite part of the hearings is when Scallia said basically "Why not Let them die" when talking about how to pay for uninsured visits to ER across the country. What a guy!

Oh and don't count your chickens until the eggs have hatched.

That's what the President gets for adopting a Repubican idea.

The individual mandate and Cap & Trade: Two smart Republican ideas that have been tossed under the bus in the name of ALEC.

RLMFAO!!!!!!!!

I know......the Dems inherited it.

Indeed! The individual mandate was the conservative/gingrich/romney/Heritage/CATO response to Clinton's health care reform proposal. Cap and Trade was the brainchild of economists in GHW Bush's administration.

 

[8537]

The dupes are dead set against reform, but obviously have no clue what's in it, like Pelosi said (of course they have THAT all wrong too). Stupidest voters in the modern world.
We'll see what Kennedy says, ya brainwashed fools- the four bought off RW hyenas were never in doubt.
Just remember, your lack of compassion for the 45k dead per year will be remembered, and not just by good citizens. Enjoy Hell! lol

This will help you argue with these idiots

Here’s why health insurance is not like broccoli | The Great Debate

Referring to the recent Supreme Court arguments: If the government can require people to buy health insurance, why couldn’t it require people to buy broccoli, which also enhances people’s health?

First, as George H.W. Bush made quite clear, you need never eat broccoli. But unless you are a hermit in Alaska, you will use healthcare at some point in your life. Today, it is estimated that the uninsured use more than $116 billion in healthcare services each year.

While it is feasible that you may never be engaged in the broccoli market, at some point, everyone – including the uninsured – will be engaged in the healthcare market.

And unlike broccoli, when some people don’t participate in the health insurance market, the costs is shoved onto the rest of us through higher insurance premiums or taxes that hospitals, insurers and doctors must charge to recoup the costs of uncompensated care.

Justices Scalia and Alito seemed not to appreciate this crucial difference between health insurance and broccoli. Justice Scalia said: “If I don’t buy a Volt, I raise the price of Volts.” WRONG! If people aren't buying Volts, the price iwill go down, not up. Is he stupid or playing dumb?

The government does not have the right to require a citizen to buy anything....and don't come back with that lame "driver's license/hunting license" crap. You are not forced to drive on public roads(requiring a license) and you are not forced to hunt.

huh? The government forces me to buy all sorts of things. Food for kids. Roads. Missiles. Research into corn GMOs....

 

[California Girl]

That sums it up......................................

You may have a point. Perhaps I should get a bottle of Bollinger instead. Such an occasion deserves the absolute best... I shall investigate a good vintage Bolly. My bad. I was being lazy because I have a few bottles of Taittys.

really?

it's cute for someone who has no kids to be happy that when my son turns 22 he'll be uninsured instead of being insured til he's 26.

not to mention that maybe roberts will want to actually protect the integrity of the court instead of ruling like the political hacks the court was in bush v gore and citizen's united.

you may yet get to gloat, but it's pretty ugly ...

It's not my fault that your President rammed through an unConstitutional bill.

 

[The T]

You may have a point. Perhaps I should get a bottle of Bollinger instead. Such an occasion deserves the absolute best... I shall investigate a good vintage Bolly. My bad. I was being lazy because I have a few bottles of Taittys.

really?

it's cute for someone who has no kids to be happy that when my son turns 22 he'll be uninsured instead of being insured til he's 26.

not to mention that maybe roberts will want to actually protect the integrity of the court instead of ruling like the political hacks the court was in bush v gore and citizen's united.

you may yet get to gloat, but it's pretty ugly ...

It's not my fault that your President rammed through an unConstitutional bill.

Obama will be shown the door. All there is to it.

 

[initforme]

All I can say is my health care costs I would hope would be cut by as much as 50 percent once this is struck down. If not, something is vastly wrong with this broken system. It needs a complete overhaul. Obamacare isnt the answer. Free market isnt the answer. What is?

 

[Big Fitz]

really?

it's cute for someone who has no kids to be happy that when my son turns 22 he'll be uninsured instead of being insured til he's 26.

not to mention that maybe roberts will want to actually protect the integrity of the court instead of ruling like the political hacks the court was in bush v gore and citizen's united.

you may yet get to gloat, but it's pretty ugly ...

It's not my fault that your President rammed through an unConstitutional bill.

Obama will be shown the door. All there is to it.

may his aim be poor and hit the door jamb on each side on the way out so it can be a stop on the white house tour.

 

[alan1]

Agreed it is a decision. But it is not one they should have to make.

When choosing a job, there are many decisions that have to be made concerning it.
I am unsure why one specific choice should be removed from that equation. You have decided that this one is an issue/problem for you, but what makes your issue/problem more important than some other person's issue/problem for their job choosing decision?

If you are asking me if the lowest common denomitator (in this scenario) should determine a quality of life, my answer is yes. Silly as it may seem, but I believe in a country which wants all its people to have equal access to healthcare. Achieving this standard would be a mark of a great society; fair, open, attainable, quality, non debilitating financially...personally I believe this is a goal to which we should all aspire.

In that case, then put the entire country on the exact same health care plan our Senators have.

Let me play devil's advocate with your statement, "I believe in a country which wants all its people to have equal access to healthcare."
Suppose we make everybody's access equal, but that equal access means everybody only gets 2 doctor visits a year. Suppose that access means refusal to treat cancer for everybody - equally. Would you be happy with that type of "equal access to healthcare"?
I admit that I put forth an extreme example of "equal access", but the opposite of my extreme is just as extreme and not realistic in my opinion.

 

[The T]

It's not my fault that your President rammed through an unConstitutional bill.

Obama will be shown the door. All there is to it.

may his aim be poor and hit the door jamb on each side on the way out so it can be a stop on the white house tour.

And may he leave the keyboards intact as not to duplicate Clinton's exit?

 

[Big Fitz]

Obama will be shown the door. All there is to it.

may his aim be poor and hit the door jamb on each side on the way out so it can be a stop on the white house tour.

And may he leave the keyboards intact as not to duplicate Clinton's exit?

Be surprised if he doesn't consider setting it on fire at least once or have to stop FL-MO from it. These community organizers have a reputation to uphold. Trash where they occupy.

 

[Sarah G]

Obama will be shown the door. All there is to it.

may his aim be poor and hit the door jamb on each side on the way out so it can be a stop on the white house tour.

And may he leave the keyboards intact as not to duplicate Clinton's exit?

No Republican is going to beat Obama. He is in for another 4.

 

[mudwhistle]

may his aim be poor and hit the door jamb on each side on the way out so it can be a stop on the white house tour.

And may he leave the keyboards intact as not to duplicate Clinton's exit?

No Republican is going to beat Obama. He is in for another 4.

It would be the worst thing that ever happened to this country since the Civil War.

 

[The T]

And may he leave the keyboards intact as not to duplicate Clinton's exit?

No Republican is going to beat Obama. He is in for another 4.

It would be the worst thing that ever happened to this country since the Civil War.

If Obama doesn't start one...

 

[The T]

may his aim be poor and hit the door jamb on each side on the way out so it can be a stop on the white house tour.

And may he leave the keyboards intact as not to duplicate Clinton's exit?

No Republican is going to beat Obama. He is in for another 4.

Keep wishing for the demise of your own Liberty...but then airheads as YOU don't need liberty but only to be lead by the nose.

 

[Katzndogz]

You may have a point. Perhaps I should get a bottle of Bollinger instead. Such an occasion deserves the absolute best... I shall investigate a good vintage Bolly. My bad. I was being lazy because I have a few bottles of Taittys.

really?

it's cute for someone who has no kids to be happy that when my son turns 22 he'll be uninsured instead of being insured til he's 26.

not to mention that maybe roberts will want to actually protect the integrity of the court instead of ruling like the political hacks the court was in bush v gore and citizen's united.

you may yet get to gloat, but it's pretty ugly ...

It's not my fault that your President rammed through an unConstitutional bill.

obama didn't just ram it through he bought it with things like the cornhusker kickback.

 

[The T]

really?

it's cute for someone who has no kids to be happy that when my son turns 22 he'll be uninsured instead of being insured til he's 26.

not to mention that maybe roberts will want to actually protect the integrity of the court instead of ruling like the political hacks the court was in bush v gore and citizen's united.

you may yet get to gloat, but it's pretty ugly ...

It's not my fault that your President rammed through an unConstitutional bill.

obama didn't just ram it through he bought it with things like the cornhusker kickback.

...And The "Second Louisiana Purchase"...

The New $300 Million Louisiana Purchase on the Backs of Tax Payers … How Senator Mary Landrieu (D-La.) Vote was Bought for Obamacare

 

[francoHFW]

The liberty to be gouged on health care, get thrown off on a technicality, be unable to get coverage unless you go on welfare to get medicaid, and to die in the gutter? BRILLIANT, dupe. The individual mandate was advocated by Pubs, Newt, and the Heritage foundation. Brainwashing is great!

 

[Sarah G]

And may he leave the keyboards intact as not to duplicate Clinton's exit?

No Republican is going to beat Obama. He is in for another 4.

Keep wishing for the demise of your own Liberty...but then airheads as YOU don't need liberty but only to be lead by the nose.

I'm not only wishing for him to win, it's a probability. Your dumb candidates can't even beat each other.

 

[The T]

No Republican is going to beat Obama. He is in for another 4.

Keep wishing for the demise of your own Liberty...but then airheads as YOU don't need liberty but only to be lead by the nose.

I'm not only wishing for him to win, it's a probability. Your dumb candidates can't even beat each other.

Yeah the process on the Republican side plods on...perhaps it's because other people in other States haven't YET stated thier votes, and want a say-so?

Heck? The fight between Obama and the Hildebeast went into June of '08...didn't it?

~Go figure.

 

[mudwhistle]

No Republican is going to beat Obama. He is in for another 4.

It would be the worst thing that ever happened to this country since the Civil War.

If Obama doesn't start one...

Well, since he's been totally silent about this since he left for Korea I figure he got what he wanted.....and it's still getting worse. This Summer there will be killings.

 

[California Girl]

No Republican is going to beat Obama. He is in for another 4.

Keep wishing for the demise of your own Liberty...but then airheads as YOU don't need liberty but only to be lead by the nose.

I'm not only wishing for him to win, it's a probability. Your dumb candidates can't even beat each other.

You do realize that, in two posts, you have gone from it being a certainty to a probability. With the American People, it is never wise to decide for them how they will vote. It's not a given - for either side.