Illegal immigrants

[Humorme]

I'm pretty open on the subject to. That is why I would let employers hire whomever they wanted.

Give employers significant tax breaks for hiring all American and see which works out better for America: low paid foreigners and low taxes or higher paid Americans and less taxes.

Sorry, I just don't fully understand what you're saying here to be honest. Can you explain a bit further?

Coming into the United States without papers is the federal equivalent of making an improper U Turn. Most in the anti-immigrant lobby want to impose a felony consequence - some even advocate murdering them.

What they fail to understand is that for every person who advocates all these draconian measures like mass deportation, etc. there is another person that invites the foreigner in by providing them a job, renting to them, buying from them, etc.

Most of the time the people bitching about immigration knowingly do business with those that hire, rent to, buy from or otherwise do business with undocumented foreigners. If we enforced the laws the way they want them to enforce them, half of America would be in prison; millions of homes would become the property of the government; millions of companies would go under and / or leave the U.S. Sooo.

I think that an employer should be able to hire whomever in the Hell they want to hire. The employer created the job and one of the great hallmarks of our constitutional Republic is the Right to own private property.

The anti-immigrants scream, "they're stealing our jobs" but the ONLY way someone can "steal" a job is if it belonged to someone else in the first place. Make no mistake: it is only in a socialist society where the government / the people own the jobs. Most anti-immigrants are rabid socialists.

So, with that in mind, the way to resolve the issue and make it both fair and equitable is to let the employer hire whomever they want AND we do not force guest workers to become citizens. We limit the benefits and privileges of citizenship to citizens, so guest workers do not qualify for welfare, Socialist Security, etc.

Then we create tax breaks for the employer who hires an all American staff. Create more tax breaks for those employers that take people off welfare, unemployment, and disability. Create an additional tax break for employers whose starting wage is at least 15 percent above the poverty level wage.

It puts everybody on a level playing field and solves the problem.

Yeah, I'm with you for the most part. I believe the first step for us to take is the construction of the border wall in the most relevant places. I agree with you that businesses should be able to hire whomever they want, but if a cop pulls over an illegal immigrant without a driver's license, I don't believe it is right for that specific illegal immigrant/their household to stay in this country. That's coming from a person who respects the hell out of the suffering they go through for their families. I can't even imagine, but that doesn't take away from the reality of the law America needs to abide to. Bouncing off what you said, it will hurt companies for a time, but it will create a better foundation for Americans as a whole.

And I'm no expert. I'm looking into this quite a bit, but it appears you're more informed, especially on the economics, than I am. Anyways, cheerio!

Well, when one considers the Constitution Free Zone and the impacts a POLICE STATE would have on civil liberties, I totally disavow any nutty wall idea. Benjamin Franklin once said something against trading essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.

Once you give up one, you end up with neither.

I totally disavow any nutty wall idea.

Because it creates a police state and destroys the Constitution? LOL!
Something here is nutty.......and it's not a wall.

You look like your avatar. That is plenty nutty enough.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there is a belief you can only sell to fools. When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute that is the federal equivalent of an improper U Turn.

When it's all said and done, come back and see me. BTW, Trump just agreed to the proposal I made here over a year ago when the anti-immigrants were fighting against Sanctuary Cities. I'm sure he'll claim it as his own and those of your ilk will never give credit where credit is due, but you heard it here first.

 

[Humorme]

I'm pretty open on the subject to. That is why I would let employers hire whomever they wanted.

Give employers significant tax breaks for hiring all American and see which works out better for America: low paid foreigners and low taxes or higher paid Americans and less taxes.

Sorry, I just don't fully understand what you're saying here to be honest. Can you explain a bit further?

Coming into the United States without papers is the federal equivalent of making an improper U Turn. Most in the anti-immigrant lobby want to impose a felony consequence - some even advocate murdering them.

What they fail to understand is that for every person who advocates all these draconian measures like mass deportation, etc. there is another person that invites the foreigner in by providing them a job, renting to them, buying from them, etc.

Most of the time the people bitching about immigration knowingly do business with those that hire, rent to, buy from or otherwise do business with undocumented foreigners. If we enforced the laws the way they want them to enforce them, half of America would be in prison; millions of homes would become the property of the government; millions of companies would go under and / or leave the U.S. Sooo.

I think that an employer should be able to hire whomever in the Hell they want to hire. The employer created the job and one of the great hallmarks of our constitutional Republic is the Right to own private property.

The anti-immigrants scream, "they're stealing our jobs" but the ONLY way someone can "steal" a job is if it belonged to someone else in the first place. Make no mistake: it is only in a socialist society where the government / the people own the jobs. Most anti-immigrants are rabid socialists.

So, with that in mind, the way to resolve the issue and make it both fair and equitable is to let the employer hire whomever they want AND we do not force guest workers to become citizens. We limit the benefits and privileges of citizenship to citizens, so guest workers do not qualify for welfare, Socialist Security, etc.

Then we create tax breaks for the employer who hires an all American staff. Create more tax breaks for those employers that take people off welfare, unemployment, and disability. Create an additional tax break for employers whose starting wage is at least 15 percent above the poverty level wage.

It puts everybody on a level playing field and solves the problem.

Yeah, I'm with you for the most part. I believe the first step for us to take is the construction of the border wall in the most relevant places. I agree with you that businesses should be able to hire whomever they want, but if a cop pulls over an illegal immigrant without a driver's license, I don't believe it is right for that specific illegal immigrant/their household to stay in this country. That's coming from a person who respects the hell out of the suffering they go through for their families. I can't even imagine, but that doesn't take away from the reality of the law America needs to abide to. Bouncing off what you said, it will hurt companies for a time, but it will create a better foundation for Americans as a whole.

And I'm no expert. I'm looking into this quite a bit, but it appears you're more informed, especially on the economics, than I am. Anyways, cheerio!

Well, when one considers the Constitution Free Zone and the impacts a POLICE STATE would have on civil liberties, I totally disavow any nutty wall idea. Benjamin Franklin once said something against trading essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.

Once you give up one, you end up with neither.

Okay, so if I'm not mistaken, there are 2 part to what you're staying here. You're basically saying if an illegal alien is pulled over without a driver's license, that undocumented immigrant should not be contained and deported because of the fact it impacts a police state. To be clear, I'm saying in the context of an undocumented immigrant being pulled over for a legitimate reason, not just profiling the individual.

And does it just appear that this is relevant to your opposite of the wall or did you mean to write it that way?

I never said anything close to that. When an undocumented foreigner is pulled over, they are not an illegal alien as our system of jurisprudence says a person is presumed innocent not presumed guilty.

Anyway, someone gets pulled over and IF there is a reason to suspect they are in this country without authorization, they go through a process (aka DUE PROCESS), eventually being brought before the executive branch of government and an immigration judge decides their fate.

Personally, I find it to be ridiculous. We don't tell people to prove they are from Georgia when they are passing through. It takes probable cause to roust someone. Let people could just come and go, but if they want to become a citizen, that is a totally different issue.

If they want to come here and work, issue a Guest Worker ID with a tax number and move forward.

The nutty wall around the U.S. is a bad idea. In order for it to exist, we have a Constitutional Free Zone so that if you are within a hundred miles of the border, the Constitution does not apply. Well over half of all Americans live within that Zone. So, they have basically trashed the Constitution within that area.

Secondly, the anti-immigrant lobby contends that this is a "criminal" issue. It is not, but there is no point in arguing against idiots. But, once you put up a wall and then hire ninja clad federal mercenaries carrying machine guns to enforce what they are calling a "criminal" law, that same precedent will follow us in every facet of life. Imagine having drones flying over your head at home and seeing machine gun toting federal mercenaries on every block. It's not fantasy. The powers that be have people asking for it already - albeit on an incremental basis.

 

[LTSold]

Sorry, I just don't fully understand what you're saying here to be honest. Can you explain a bit further?

Coming into the United States without papers is the federal equivalent of making an improper U Turn. Most in the anti-immigrant lobby want to impose a felony consequence - some even advocate murdering them.

What they fail to understand is that for every person who advocates all these draconian measures like mass deportation, etc. there is another person that invites the foreigner in by providing them a job, renting to them, buying from them, etc.

Most of the time the people bitching about immigration knowingly do business with those that hire, rent to, buy from or otherwise do business with undocumented foreigners. If we enforced the laws the way they want them to enforce them, half of America would be in prison; millions of homes would become the property of the government; millions of companies would go under and / or leave the U.S. Sooo.

I think that an employer should be able to hire whomever in the Hell they want to hire. The employer created the job and one of the great hallmarks of our constitutional Republic is the Right to own private property.

The anti-immigrants scream, "they're stealing our jobs" but the ONLY way someone can "steal" a job is if it belonged to someone else in the first place. Make no mistake: it is only in a socialist society where the government / the people own the jobs. Most anti-immigrants are rabid socialists.

So, with that in mind, the way to resolve the issue and make it both fair and equitable is to let the employer hire whomever they want AND we do not force guest workers to become citizens. We limit the benefits and privileges of citizenship to citizens, so guest workers do not qualify for welfare, Socialist Security, etc.

Then we create tax breaks for the employer who hires an all American staff. Create more tax breaks for those employers that take people off welfare, unemployment, and disability. Create an additional tax break for employers whose starting wage is at least 15 percent above the poverty level wage.

It puts everybody on a level playing field and solves the problem.

Yeah, I'm with you for the most part. I believe the first step for us to take is the construction of the border wall in the most relevant places. I agree with you that businesses should be able to hire whomever they want, but if a cop pulls over an illegal immigrant without a driver's license, I don't believe it is right for that specific illegal immigrant/their household to stay in this country. That's coming from a person who respects the hell out of the suffering they go through for their families. I can't even imagine, but that doesn't take away from the reality of the law America needs to abide to. Bouncing off what you said, it will hurt companies for a time, but it will create a better foundation for Americans as a whole.

And I'm no expert. I'm looking into this quite a bit, but it appears you're more informed, especially on the economics, than I am. Anyways, cheerio!

Well, when one considers the Constitution Free Zone and the impacts a POLICE STATE would have on civil liberties, I totally disavow any nutty wall idea. Benjamin Franklin once said something against trading essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.

Once you give up one, you end up with neither.

Okay, so if I'm not mistaken, there are 2 part to what you're staying here. You're basically saying if an illegal alien is pulled over without a driver's license, that undocumented immigrant should not be contained and deported because of the fact it impacts a police state. To be clear, I'm saying in the context of an undocumented immigrant being pulled over for a legitimate reason, not just profiling the individual.

And does it just appear that this is relevant to your opposite of the wall or did you mean to write it that way?

I never said anything close to that. When an undocumented foreigner is pulled over, they are not an illegal alien as our system of jurisprudence says a person is presumed innocent not presumed guilty.

Anyway, someone gets pulled over and IF there is a reason to suspect they are in this country without authorization, they go through a process (aka DUE PROCESS), eventually being brought before the executive branch of government and an immigration judge decides their fate.

Personally, I find it to be ridiculous. We don't tell people to prove they are from Georgia when they are passing through. It takes probable cause to roust someone. Let people could just come and go, but if they want to become a citizen, that is a totally different issue.

If they want to come here and work, issue a Guest Worker ID with a tax number and move forward.

The nutty wall around the U.S. is a bad idea. In order for it to exist, we have a Constitutional Free Zone so that if you are within a hundred miles of the border, the Constitution does not apply. Well over half of all Americans live within that Zone. So, they have basically trashed the Constitution within that area.

Secondly, the anti-immigrant lobby contends that this is a "criminal" issue. It is not, but there is no point in arguing against idiots. But, once you put up a wall and then hire ninja clad federal mercenaries carrying machine guns to enforce what they are calling a "criminal" law, that same precedent will follow us in every facet of life. Imagine having drones flying over your head at home and seeing machine gun toting federal mercenaries on every block. It's not fantasy. The powers that be have people asking for it already - albeit on an incremental basis.

So you're saying America should be okay with undocumented immigrants sneaking in, without going through the proper procedures to become a legal citizen, which is technically just as illegal as anything else. One problem that I have with what you're saying about undocumented immigrants getting pulled over is the fact that only 12 states issue drivers licenses to undocumented immigrants. That's 2 illegal offenses right there and I agree with you that the media on the right totally exaggerates the problem with undocumented immigrant crime.

 

[longknife]

should never be allowed to become citizens. Even if we give them legal status the fact that they refused to obey our laws in coming to The US should prevent any future citizenship

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sorry, I just don't fully understand what you're saying here to be honest. Can you explain a bit further?

Coming into the United States without papers is the federal equivalent of making an improper U Turn. Most in the anti-immigrant lobby want to impose a felony consequence - some even advocate murdering them.

What they fail to understand is that for every person who advocates all these draconian measures like mass deportation, etc. there is another person that invites the foreigner in by providing them a job, renting to them, buying from them, etc.

Most of the time the people bitching about immigration knowingly do business with those that hire, rent to, buy from or otherwise do business with undocumented foreigners. If we enforced the laws the way they want them to enforce them, half of America would be in prison; millions of homes would become the property of the government; millions of companies would go under and / or leave the U.S. Sooo.

I think that an employer should be able to hire whomever in the Hell they want to hire. The employer created the job and one of the great hallmarks of our constitutional Republic is the Right to own private property.

The anti-immigrants scream, "they're stealing our jobs" but the ONLY way someone can "steal" a job is if it belonged to someone else in the first place. Make no mistake: it is only in a socialist society where the government / the people own the jobs. Most anti-immigrants are rabid socialists.

So, with that in mind, the way to resolve the issue and make it both fair and equitable is to let the employer hire whomever they want AND we do not force guest workers to become citizens. We limit the benefits and privileges of citizenship to citizens, so guest workers do not qualify for welfare, Socialist Security, etc.

Then we create tax breaks for the employer who hires an all American staff. Create more tax breaks for those employers that take people off welfare, unemployment, and disability. Create an additional tax break for employers whose starting wage is at least 15 percent above the poverty level wage.

It puts everybody on a level playing field and solves the problem.

Yeah, I'm with you for the most part. I believe the first step for us to take is the construction of the border wall in the most relevant places. I agree with you that businesses should be able to hire whomever they want, but if a cop pulls over an illegal immigrant without a driver's license, I don't believe it is right for that specific illegal immigrant/their household to stay in this country. That's coming from a person who respects the hell out of the suffering they go through for their families. I can't even imagine, but that doesn't take away from the reality of the law America needs to abide to. Bouncing off what you said, it will hurt companies for a time, but it will create a better foundation for Americans as a whole.

And I'm no expert. I'm looking into this quite a bit, but it appears you're more informed, especially on the economics, than I am. Anyways, cheerio!

Well, when one considers the Constitution Free Zone and the impacts a POLICE STATE would have on civil liberties, I totally disavow any nutty wall idea. Benjamin Franklin once said something against trading essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.

Once you give up one, you end up with neither.

I totally disavow any nutty wall idea.

Because it creates a police state and destroys the Constitution? LOL!
Something here is nutty.......and it's not a wall.

You look like your avatar. That is plenty nutty enough.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there is a belief you can only sell to fools. When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute that is the federal equivalent of an improper U Turn.

When it's all said and done, come back and see me. BTW, Trump just agreed to the proposal I made here over a year ago when the anti-immigrants were fighting against Sanctuary Cities. I'm sure he'll claim it as his own and those of your ilk will never give credit where credit is due, but you heard it here first.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there.....

Dude! Just say no.

When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute

I agree, the entire family should leave. Together.

 

[LTSold]

Coming into the United States without papers is the federal equivalent of making an improper U Turn. Most in the anti-immigrant lobby want to impose a felony consequence - some even advocate murdering them.

What they fail to understand is that for every person who advocates all these draconian measures like mass deportation, etc. there is another person that invites the foreigner in by providing them a job, renting to them, buying from them, etc.

Most of the time the people bitching about immigration knowingly do business with those that hire, rent to, buy from or otherwise do business with undocumented foreigners. If we enforced the laws the way they want them to enforce them, half of America would be in prison; millions of homes would become the property of the government; millions of companies would go under and / or leave the U.S. Sooo.

I think that an employer should be able to hire whomever in the Hell they want to hire. The employer created the job and one of the great hallmarks of our constitutional Republic is the Right to own private property.

The anti-immigrants scream, "they're stealing our jobs" but the ONLY way someone can "steal" a job is if it belonged to someone else in the first place. Make no mistake: it is only in a socialist society where the government / the people own the jobs. Most anti-immigrants are rabid socialists.

So, with that in mind, the way to resolve the issue and make it both fair and equitable is to let the employer hire whomever they want AND we do not force guest workers to become citizens. We limit the benefits and privileges of citizenship to citizens, so guest workers do not qualify for welfare, Socialist Security, etc.

Then we create tax breaks for the employer who hires an all American staff. Create more tax breaks for those employers that take people off welfare, unemployment, and disability. Create an additional tax break for employers whose starting wage is at least 15 percent above the poverty level wage.

It puts everybody on a level playing field and solves the problem.

Yeah, I'm with you for the most part. I believe the first step for us to take is the construction of the border wall in the most relevant places. I agree with you that businesses should be able to hire whomever they want, but if a cop pulls over an illegal immigrant without a driver's license, I don't believe it is right for that specific illegal immigrant/their household to stay in this country. That's coming from a person who respects the hell out of the suffering they go through for their families. I can't even imagine, but that doesn't take away from the reality of the law America needs to abide to. Bouncing off what you said, it will hurt companies for a time, but it will create a better foundation for Americans as a whole.

And I'm no expert. I'm looking into this quite a bit, but it appears you're more informed, especially on the economics, than I am. Anyways, cheerio!

Well, when one considers the Constitution Free Zone and the impacts a POLICE STATE would have on civil liberties, I totally disavow any nutty wall idea. Benjamin Franklin once said something against trading essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.

Once you give up one, you end up with neither.

I totally disavow any nutty wall idea.

Because it creates a police state and destroys the Constitution? LOL!
Something here is nutty.......and it's not a wall.

You look like your avatar. That is plenty nutty enough.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there is a belief you can only sell to fools. When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute that is the federal equivalent of an improper U Turn.

When it's all said and done, come back and see me. BTW, Trump just agreed to the proposal I made here over a year ago when the anti-immigrants were fighting against Sanctuary Cities. I'm sure he'll claim it as his own and those of your ilk will never give credit where credit is due, but you heard it here first.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there.....

Dude! Just say no.

When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute

I agree, the entire family should leave. Together.

Lol you both are toxic.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

You look like your avatar. That is plenty nutty enough.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there is a belief you can only sell to fools. When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute that is the federal equivalent of an improper U Turn.

When it's all said and done, come back and see me. BTW, Trump just agreed to the proposal I made here over a year ago when the anti-immigrants were fighting against Sanctuary Cities. I'm sure he'll claim it as his own and those of your ilk will never give credit where credit is due, but you heard it here first.

The CFZ has been around since the early 1950's, longer then you have been alive. So please explain to us how it has effected your life as a citizen? SMFH

According to you, you were born into a police state via the CFZ.

SCOTUS will not hear any case about families being separated due to illegal immigration, if they would it would have happened already since deportation of illegals has been happening for decades already.

Improper entry is a Federal Class B Misdemeanor (Financial penalty and minimum of 6 months in jail), an illegal U-turn is but a simple infraction of the Vehicle Code that has nothing more then a financial penalty to resolve. Basic law shows the difference between a criminal violation (improper entry) verse a simple infraction of the vehicle code.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

I never said anything close to that. When an undocumented foreigner is pulled over, they are not an illegal alien as our system of jurisprudence says a person is presumed innocent not presumed guilty.

Anyway, someone gets pulled over and IF there is a reason to suspect they are in this country without authorization, they go through a process (aka DUE PROCESS), eventually being brought before the executive branch of government and an immigration judge decides their fate.

Again, I ask you to explain Expedited Removal, where in there is no due process, they do not see a lawyer nor an Immigration Judge. SHRUG

Personally, I find it to be ridiculous. We don't tell people to prove they are from Georgia when they are passing through. It takes probable cause to roust someone. Let people could just come and go, but if they want to become a citizen, that is a totally different issue.

If that person is requesting state help, then yes they are asked to prove they live in Georgia, otherwise the person traveling in Georgia has a DL from their state in which they live, or the plates on their car have where they are from in most cases unless the vehicle is rented.

If they want to come here and work, issue a Guest Worker ID with a tax number and move forward.

How many more visas do we need? Whats wrong with the non-immigrant work visas we already have? Why should they be allowed to simply come here to work because they want to? Do we not have the right to allow entry to whom we want?

The nutty wall around the U.S. is a bad idea. In order for it to exist, we have a Constitutional Free Zone so that if you are within a hundred miles of the border, the Constitution does not apply. Well over half of all Americans live within that Zone. So, they have basically trashed the Constitution within that area.

There is no wall around the US. The 2006 Secure Fence Act still owes us over 100 miles of fence along the southern border. The CFZ has been around since the early 1950's, prior to you being born, how has it effected you as a citizen?

Secondly, the anti-immigrant lobby contends that this is a "criminal" issue. It is not, but there is no point in arguing against idiots. But, once you put up a wall and then hire ninja clad federal mercenaries carrying machine guns to enforce what they are calling a "criminal" law, that same precedent will follow us in every facet of life. Imagine having drones flying over your head at home and seeing machine gun toting federal mercenaries on every block. It's not fantasy. The powers that be have people asking for it already - albeit on an incremental basis.

Improper Entry is a criminal issue, it is a class B misdemeanor for the first offense, the second offense becomes a class E felony. The rest of your hyperbole is nothing but your fantasy. SMFH

 

[longknife]

 

[Humorme]

Coming into the United States without papers is the federal equivalent of making an improper U Turn. Most in the anti-immigrant lobby want to impose a felony consequence - some even advocate murdering them.

What they fail to understand is that for every person who advocates all these draconian measures like mass deportation, etc. there is another person that invites the foreigner in by providing them a job, renting to them, buying from them, etc.

Most of the time the people bitching about immigration knowingly do business with those that hire, rent to, buy from or otherwise do business with undocumented foreigners. If we enforced the laws the way they want them to enforce them, half of America would be in prison; millions of homes would become the property of the government; millions of companies would go under and / or leave the U.S. Sooo.

I think that an employer should be able to hire whomever in the Hell they want to hire. The employer created the job and one of the great hallmarks of our constitutional Republic is the Right to own private property.

The anti-immigrants scream, "they're stealing our jobs" but the ONLY way someone can "steal" a job is if it belonged to someone else in the first place. Make no mistake: it is only in a socialist society where the government / the people own the jobs. Most anti-immigrants are rabid socialists.

So, with that in mind, the way to resolve the issue and make it both fair and equitable is to let the employer hire whomever they want AND we do not force guest workers to become citizens. We limit the benefits and privileges of citizenship to citizens, so guest workers do not qualify for welfare, Socialist Security, etc.

Then we create tax breaks for the employer who hires an all American staff. Create more tax breaks for those employers that take people off welfare, unemployment, and disability. Create an additional tax break for employers whose starting wage is at least 15 percent above the poverty level wage.

It puts everybody on a level playing field and solves the problem.

Yeah, I'm with you for the most part. I believe the first step for us to take is the construction of the border wall in the most relevant places. I agree with you that businesses should be able to hire whomever they want, but if a cop pulls over an illegal immigrant without a driver's license, I don't believe it is right for that specific illegal immigrant/their household to stay in this country. That's coming from a person who respects the hell out of the suffering they go through for their families. I can't even imagine, but that doesn't take away from the reality of the law America needs to abide to. Bouncing off what you said, it will hurt companies for a time, but it will create a better foundation for Americans as a whole.

And I'm no expert. I'm looking into this quite a bit, but it appears you're more informed, especially on the economics, than I am. Anyways, cheerio!

Well, when one considers the Constitution Free Zone and the impacts a POLICE STATE would have on civil liberties, I totally disavow any nutty wall idea. Benjamin Franklin once said something against trading essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.

Once you give up one, you end up with neither.

I totally disavow any nutty wall idea.

Because it creates a police state and destroys the Constitution? LOL!
Something here is nutty.......and it's not a wall.

You look like your avatar. That is plenty nutty enough.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there is a belief you can only sell to fools. When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute that is the federal equivalent of an improper U Turn.

When it's all said and done, come back and see me. BTW, Trump just agreed to the proposal I made here over a year ago when the anti-immigrants were fighting against Sanctuary Cities. I'm sure he'll claim it as his own and those of your ilk will never give credit where credit is due, but you heard it here first.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there.....

Dude! Just say no.

When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute

I agree, the entire family should leave. Together.

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Regardless of which side you stand on, the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment as per the 8th Amendment.

 

[Humorme]

Yeah, I'm with you for the most part. I believe the first step for us to take is the construction of the border wall in the most relevant places. I agree with you that businesses should be able to hire whomever they want, but if a cop pulls over an illegal immigrant without a driver's license, I don't believe it is right for that specific illegal immigrant/their household to stay in this country. That's coming from a person who respects the hell out of the suffering they go through for their families. I can't even imagine, but that doesn't take away from the reality of the law America needs to abide to. Bouncing off what you said, it will hurt companies for a time, but it will create a better foundation for Americans as a whole.

And I'm no expert. I'm looking into this quite a bit, but it appears you're more informed, especially on the economics, than I am. Anyways, cheerio!

Well, when one considers the Constitution Free Zone and the impacts a POLICE STATE would have on civil liberties, I totally disavow any nutty wall idea. Benjamin Franklin once said something against trading essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.

Once you give up one, you end up with neither.

I totally disavow any nutty wall idea.

Because it creates a police state and destroys the Constitution? LOL!
Something here is nutty.......and it's not a wall.

You look like your avatar. That is plenty nutty enough.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there is a belief you can only sell to fools. When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute that is the federal equivalent of an improper U Turn.

When it's all said and done, come back and see me. BTW, Trump just agreed to the proposal I made here over a year ago when the anti-immigrants were fighting against Sanctuary Cities. I'm sure he'll claim it as his own and those of your ilk will never give credit where credit is due, but you heard it here first.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there.....

Dude! Just say no.

When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute

I agree, the entire family should leave. Together.

Lol you both are toxic.

When you cannot get people to discuss things rationally (and one look at that guy's avatar says it all) then you have to be nasty because they are so insecure they cannot afford to be civil.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Regardless of which side you stand on, the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment as per the 8th Amendment.

Citizens aren't being forced out of the country, illegals are. If they have children here those children are not being forced out, their parents are choosing to take them with them. People move all the time from one country to another, this is no different. SCOTUS will not touch what you claim, your claim is hyperbole based on inanity, the cause would have come up over the years, and yet it has not and will not.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Well, when one considers the Constitution Free Zone and the impacts a POLICE STATE would have on civil liberties, I totally disavow any nutty wall idea. Benjamin Franklin once said something against trading essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.

Once you give up one, you end up with neither.

I totally disavow any nutty wall idea.

Because it creates a police state and destroys the Constitution? LOL!
Something here is nutty.......and it's not a wall.

You look like your avatar. That is plenty nutty enough.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there is a belief you can only sell to fools. When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute that is the federal equivalent of an improper U Turn.

When it's all said and done, come back and see me. BTW, Trump just agreed to the proposal I made here over a year ago when the anti-immigrants were fighting against Sanctuary Cities. I'm sure he'll claim it as his own and those of your ilk will never give credit where credit is due, but you heard it here first.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there.....

Dude! Just say no.

When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute

I agree, the entire family should leave. Together.

Lol you both are toxic.

When you cannot get people to discuss things rationally (and one look at that guy's avatar says it all) then you have to be nasty because they are so insecure they cannot afford to be civil.

There is nothing rational in your arguments or your claims, you spout hyperbole and ignorance of the law and then try to play the "I have experience" claim by claiming to have 6 years in immigration law, of which you have no legal training nor legal education credentials. When you are confronted you whine and cry fowl, when you are shown to be completely wrong you get nasty and insult instead of having a rational discussion and accepting your fallacious claims for what they are. SMFH

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yeah, I'm with you for the most part. I believe the first step for us to take is the construction of the border wall in the most relevant places. I agree with you that businesses should be able to hire whomever they want, but if a cop pulls over an illegal immigrant without a driver's license, I don't believe it is right for that specific illegal immigrant/their household to stay in this country. That's coming from a person who respects the hell out of the suffering they go through for their families. I can't even imagine, but that doesn't take away from the reality of the law America needs to abide to. Bouncing off what you said, it will hurt companies for a time, but it will create a better foundation for Americans as a whole.

And I'm no expert. I'm looking into this quite a bit, but it appears you're more informed, especially on the economics, than I am. Anyways, cheerio!

Well, when one considers the Constitution Free Zone and the impacts a POLICE STATE would have on civil liberties, I totally disavow any nutty wall idea. Benjamin Franklin once said something against trading essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.

Once you give up one, you end up with neither.

I totally disavow any nutty wall idea.

Because it creates a police state and destroys the Constitution? LOL!
Something here is nutty.......and it's not a wall.

You look like your avatar. That is plenty nutty enough.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there is a belief you can only sell to fools. When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute that is the federal equivalent of an improper U Turn.

When it's all said and done, come back and see me. BTW, Trump just agreed to the proposal I made here over a year ago when the anti-immigrants were fighting against Sanctuary Cities. I'm sure he'll claim it as his own and those of your ilk will never give credit where credit is due, but you heard it here first.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there.....

Dude! Just say no.

When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute

I agree, the entire family should leave. Together.

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Regardless of which side you stand on, the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment as per the 8th Amendment.

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country

Well, if we deport the illegals....and you want the families to remain united.....

and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Sure you can.

the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment

I suppose separating any criminal from their family is cruel.

 

[Humorme]

Well, when one considers the Constitution Free Zone and the impacts a POLICE STATE would have on civil liberties, I totally disavow any nutty wall idea. Benjamin Franklin once said something against trading essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.

Once you give up one, you end up with neither.

I totally disavow any nutty wall idea.

Because it creates a police state and destroys the Constitution? LOL!
Something here is nutty.......and it's not a wall.

You look like your avatar. That is plenty nutty enough.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there is a belief you can only sell to fools. When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute that is the federal equivalent of an improper U Turn.

When it's all said and done, come back and see me. BTW, Trump just agreed to the proposal I made here over a year ago when the anti-immigrants were fighting against Sanctuary Cities. I'm sure he'll claim it as his own and those of your ilk will never give credit where credit is due, but you heard it here first.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there.....

Dude! Just say no.

When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute

I agree, the entire family should leave. Together.

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Regardless of which side you stand on, the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment as per the 8th Amendment.

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country

Well, if we deport the illegals....and you want the families to remain united.....

and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Sure you can.

the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment

I suppose separating any criminal from their family is cruel.

Your idiocy is amazing. Put into perspective, the proper punishment for an Improper U Turn is that person has their license suspended permanently and never allowed to ride in a car ever again.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I totally disavow any nutty wall idea.

Because it creates a police state and destroys the Constitution? LOL!
Something here is nutty.......and it's not a wall.

You look like your avatar. That is plenty nutty enough.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there is a belief you can only sell to fools. When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute that is the federal equivalent of an improper U Turn.

When it's all said and done, come back and see me. BTW, Trump just agreed to the proposal I made here over a year ago when the anti-immigrants were fighting against Sanctuary Cities. I'm sure he'll claim it as his own and those of your ilk will never give credit where credit is due, but you heard it here first.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there.....

Dude! Just say no.

When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute

I agree, the entire family should leave. Together.

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Regardless of which side you stand on, the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment as per the 8th Amendment.

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country

Well, if we deport the illegals....and you want the families to remain united.....

and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Sure you can.

the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment

I suppose separating any criminal from their family is cruel.

Your idiocy is amazing. Put into perspective, the proper punishment for an Improper U Turn is that person has their license suspended permanently and never allowed to ride in a car ever again.

The proper punishment for illegal aliens is removal.

 

[Humorme]

You look like your avatar. That is plenty nutty enough.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there is a belief you can only sell to fools. When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute that is the federal equivalent of an improper U Turn.

When it's all said and done, come back and see me. BTW, Trump just agreed to the proposal I made here over a year ago when the anti-immigrants were fighting against Sanctuary Cities. I'm sure he'll claim it as his own and those of your ilk will never give credit where credit is due, but you heard it here first.

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there.....

Dude! Just say no.

When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute

I agree, the entire family should leave. Together.

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Regardless of which side you stand on, the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment as per the 8th Amendment.

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country

Well, if we deport the illegals....and you want the families to remain united.....

and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Sure you can.

the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment

I suppose separating any criminal from their family is cruel.

Your idiocy is amazing. Put into perspective, the proper punishment for an Improper U Turn is that person has their license suspended permanently and never allowed to ride in a car ever again.

The proper punishment for illegal aliens is removal.

OMG. Are anti-immigrants stuck on stupid by any chance?

This back and forth never solves anything. You catch these so - called "illegals," and you're not even an American yourself - then they come back. So, you can do it again OR you can imprison them after they come in repeatedly.

We already have more people in prison than any nation on this planet. That should tell you that you need something else. Your bumper sticker slogans and acting like a clown are not solutions. They are distractions that will ultimately end in the anti-immigrant lobby losing.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Erecting the ultimate POLICE STATE via the Constitutional Free Zone and deluding yourself into believing the buck stops there.....

Dude! Just say no.

When it comes to the immigration part, the United States Supreme Court will not separate families over a statute

I agree, the entire family should leave. Together.

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Regardless of which side you stand on, the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment as per the 8th Amendment.

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country

Well, if we deport the illegals....and you want the families to remain united.....

and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Sure you can.

the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment

I suppose separating any criminal from their family is cruel.

Your idiocy is amazing. Put into perspective, the proper punishment for an Improper U Turn is that person has their license suspended permanently and never allowed to ride in a car ever again.

The proper punishment for illegal aliens is removal.

OMG. Are anti-immigrants stuck on stupid by any chance?

This back and forth never solves anything. You catch these so - called "illegals," and you're not even an American yourself - then they come back. So, you can do it again OR you can imprison them after they come in repeatedly.

We already have more people in prison than any nation on this planet. That should tell you that you need something else. Your bumper sticker slogans and acting like a clown are not solutions. They are distractions that will ultimately end in the anti-immigrant lobby losing.

You catch these so - called "illegals,"

No "so-called" about it.
Illegal aliens are here illegally.
They should go home.

then they come back.

That's why we need to secure the border. Build the wall.
And make it harder for them to work. Turn off the magnet.

So, you can do it again OR you can imprison them after they come in repeatedly.

Yes, some should be imprisoned.

We already have more people in prison than any nation on this planet. That should tell you that you need something else.

Yeah, fewer criminals.

 

[Humorme]

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Regardless of which side you stand on, the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment as per the 8th Amendment.

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country

Well, if we deport the illegals....and you want the families to remain united.....

and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Sure you can.

the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment

I suppose separating any criminal from their family is cruel.

Your idiocy is amazing. Put into perspective, the proper punishment for an Improper U Turn is that person has their license suspended permanently and never allowed to ride in a car ever again.

The proper punishment for illegal aliens is removal.

OMG. Are anti-immigrants stuck on stupid by any chance?

This back and forth never solves anything. You catch these so - called "illegals," and you're not even an American yourself - then they come back. So, you can do it again OR you can imprison them after they come in repeatedly.

We already have more people in prison than any nation on this planet. That should tell you that you need something else. Your bumper sticker slogans and acting like a clown are not solutions. They are distractions that will ultimately end in the anti-immigrant lobby losing.

You catch these so - called "illegals,"

No "so-called" about it.
Illegal aliens are here illegally.
They should go home.

then they come back.

That's why we need to secure the border. Build the wall.
And make it harder for them to work. Turn off the magnet.

So, you can do it again OR you can imprison them after they come in repeatedly.

Yes, some should be imprisoned.

We already have more people in prison than any nation on this planet. That should tell you that you need something else.

Yeah, fewer criminals.

I'm sure if they enforced all the laws on the books, you're ass would be in maximum security. Let's educate you:

1 - I say so - called because in this country we have a presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty standard. If you were educated and / or an American, you would know that

2 - Someday it could be YOU that is accused of a crime and REALLY needing that presumption of innocence

3 - Just because a person is in this country without papers does not mean they are removable

4 - We have this thing called Due Process. You should Google it and familiarize yourself with it

5 - Anybody that thinks we should split families up and / or force American citizens out of the country over a civil misdemeanor has an emotional issue that is out of touch with reality

6 - There are just as many people who invite the foreigners here as there are people like yourself that think you should ship 'em all out. As a result, you don't have anything but an opinion in the grand scheme of things. BTW, where did you buy that ridiculous looking clown outfit you wear? Walmart? Well Walmart was convicted of hiring subcontractors that knowingly had undocumented foreigners on their payroll.

So, since you help feed the undocumented foreigners by frequenting Walmart and refusing to wear real clothes, how in the Hell can you criticize the left with a straight face?

7) The United States Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a crime for an undocumented foreigner to be present in the United States

8) Under our de jure / lawful / constitutional Constitution, the federal government has no authority to force states to enforce immigration laws. States can invite anyone in as a guest.

I advised on this board, many times, that the feds could withhold federal funds for states that did not enforce immigration law if the foreigners had any access to that money or benefited off it.

While your ilk was swearing at me, Trump took that advice and is threatening to do it

9) You confuse citizenship with Liberty. I promise you that even people without papers are entitled to Due Process and constitutional guarantees regardless of immigration status

10) You can pretend to be this all knowing sage in a clown suit all day long, but if you do not understand the concept of stare decisis and how your nonsensical approach to this could impact MY Freedom and Liberties ... or your own for that matter, you are not qualified to criticize me.

Go ahead and play the part of the clown wanting to be a sage. Intelligent people won't take you serious.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You cannot force American citizens out of their own country

Well, if we deport the illegals....and you want the families to remain united.....

and you cannot penalize immigrants so that they are not allowed to be with their families.

Sure you can.

the United States Supreme Court will, at some point, say that what you want (presuming you get it in the first place) is cruel and unusual punishment

I suppose separating any criminal from their family is cruel.

Your idiocy is amazing. Put into perspective, the proper punishment for an Improper U Turn is that person has their license suspended permanently and never allowed to ride in a car ever again.

The proper punishment for illegal aliens is removal.

OMG. Are anti-immigrants stuck on stupid by any chance?

This back and forth never solves anything. You catch these so - called "illegals," and you're not even an American yourself - then they come back. So, you can do it again OR you can imprison them after they come in repeatedly.

We already have more people in prison than any nation on this planet. That should tell you that you need something else. Your bumper sticker slogans and acting like a clown are not solutions. They are distractions that will ultimately end in the anti-immigrant lobby losing.

You catch these so - called "illegals,"

No "so-called" about it.
Illegal aliens are here illegally.
They should go home.

then they come back.

That's why we need to secure the border. Build the wall.
And make it harder for them to work. Turn off the magnet.

So, you can do it again OR you can imprison them after they come in repeatedly.

Yes, some should be imprisoned.

We already have more people in prison than any nation on this planet. That should tell you that you need something else.

Yeah, fewer criminals.

I'm sure if they enforced all the laws on the books, you're ass would be in maximum security. Let's educate you:

1 - I say so - called because in this country we have a presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty standard. If you were educated and / or an American, you would know that

2 - Someday it could be YOU that is accused of a crime and REALLY needing that presumption of innocence

3 - Just because a person is in this country without papers does not mean they are removable

4 - We have this thing called Due Process. You should Google it and familiarize yourself with it

5 - Anybody that thinks we should split families up and / or force American citizens out of the country over a civil misdemeanor has an emotional issue that is out of touch with reality

6 - There are just as many people who invite the foreigners here as there are people like yourself that think you should ship 'em all out. As a result, you don't have anything but an opinion in the grand scheme of things. BTW, where did you buy that ridiculous looking clown outfit you wear? Walmart? Well Walmart was convicted of hiring subcontractors that knowingly had undocumented foreigners on their payroll.

So, since you help feed the undocumented foreigners by frequenting Walmart and refusing to wear real clothes, how in the Hell can you criticize the left with a straight face?

7) The United States Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a crime for an undocumented foreigner to be present in the United States

8) Under our de jure / lawful / constitutional Constitution, the federal government has no authority to force states to enforce immigration laws. States can invite anyone in as a guest.

I advised on this board, many times, that the feds could withhold federal funds for states that did not enforce immigration law if the foreigners had any access to that money or benefited off it.

While your ilk was swearing at me, Trump took that advice and is threatening to do it

9) You confuse citizenship with Liberty. I promise you that even people without papers are entitled to Due Process and constitutional guarantees regardless of immigration status

10) You can pretend to be this all knowing sage in a clown suit all day long, but if you do not understand the concept of stare decisis and how your nonsensical approach to this could impact MY Freedom and Liberties ... or your own for that matter, you are not qualified to criticize me.

Go ahead and play the part of the clown wanting to be a sage. Intelligent people won't take you serious.

I'm sure if they enforced all the laws on the books, you're ass would be in maximum security.

DERP!

BTW, where did you buy that ridiculous looking clown outfit you wear?

You don't recognize Obama the clown?

The United States Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a crime for an undocumented foreigner to be present in the United States

That is awesome!

Now let's boot the illegal aliens.