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This entire thread is about killing / murder a child...
And justify doing so...
Hell no...
And justify doing so...
Hell no...
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Not a new term, but "Joy4Uall" is certainly using it as a mask for his hatred of theists by acting contrary to its precepts:If "hell" is for ETERNITY (is hell not for eternity, dude!?), then 99.99999999999999%+ is LOW, my friend! What %, dude, of one's total existence, counting the after-life, would "hell" be, then? I say 99.9999999999999%+....what say you? Yes, many Christians love Muslims for the 0.000000000000001%, but are ok with Muslims getting savagely tortured, unfairly, for the other 99.9999999999999%+.Nice statistic. Now back it up with factual evidence or admit you lied and fabricated the statistic.Those Christians do support Muslims for 0.000000000000001% of that Muslim's total existence (life on this earth)....but NOT for the 99.99999999999999%+ of their total existence (counting the "after-life") where those Muslims will burn, burn, burn - brutal, savage, torture.
Can we agree that "no torture" (which Scientific Humanists tend to believe) is more human and Jesus/god's policy of torturing all, say, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. per the Bible? Can we?
Scientific Humanists mostly believe in "no torture", so we can't approve of god/Jesus' Auschwitz-like torture of Muslims - our hearts are just too big.
Where does the Bible say that "hell" is not for eternity?
Scientific Humanists
Oh hell on Earth a new word?
Great point. Yes, in a perfect world I'd preface every single Biblical claim with the phrase "if the Bible is true".How can it be an unfair scheme, to someone who doesn't believe it exists?OF COURSE they don't want HELL! But Jesus is so selfish, such a bigot, such a narcissist, that he won't (according to the Bible) let ethical Buddhists into heaven but rather will torture them for eternity. As Scientific Humanists we'd of course change that barbaric and inhuman and unfair scheme - that's because we are far more ethical than Jesus is.Buddhists don't want entry into JCs heaven. If they did they'd be Christians! I don't pray. As I've explained, I'm not religious.If YOU can't say this prayer then I'm afraid that YOU would be the "hater":You seem to think I'm religious, I'm not.Open your heart like a Scientific Humanist - I know you can do that.
You can move beyond Jesus - Jesus said that he only came to help one particular race/ethnicity:
GOD'S WORD® Translation
"Jesus responded, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel.""
If you can find it in your heart to "love people [you] don't know", then you will be more like a Scientific Humanist, and less like Jesus. You can move beyond Jesus' racism/ethnicism - the world will be a better place when you can find it in your heart to do that, mi amigo.
And I don't want to 'be like' a scientific humanist. I've met a few and they are among the most rabid haters I've ever come across!
"God/Jesus, if you exist, can you find it in your heart to let ethical Buddhists into heaven and avoid hell. Thanks."
Can you say that prayer (regardless of whether you think anyone is listening, as an exercise in love)?
You make a valid point - I should more often say "the Center For Scientific Humanism's belief system....."Not a new term, but "Joy4Uall" is certainly using it as a mask for his hatred of theists by acting contrary to its precepts:If "hell" is for ETERNITY (is hell not for eternity, dude!?), then 99.99999999999999%+ is LOW, my friend! What %, dude, of one's total existence, counting the after-life, would "hell" be, then? I say 99.9999999999999%+....what say you? Yes, many Christians love Muslims for the 0.000000000000001%, but are ok with Muslims getting savagely tortured, unfairly, for the other 99.9999999999999%+.Nice statistic. Now back it up with factual evidence or admit you lied and fabricated the statistic.Those Christians do support Muslims for 0.000000000000001% of that Muslim's total existence (life on this earth)....but NOT for the 99.99999999999999%+ of their total existence (counting the "after-life") where those Muslims will burn, burn, burn - brutal, savage, torture.
Can we agree that "no torture" (which Scientific Humanists tend to believe) is more human and Jesus/god's policy of torturing all, say, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. per the Bible? Can we?
Scientific Humanists mostly believe in "no torture", so we can't approve of god/Jesus' Auschwitz-like torture of Muslims - our hearts are just too big.
Where does the Bible say that "hell" is not for eternity?
Scientific Humanists
Oh hell on Earth a new word?
Scientific humanism
Wow. Not only are you fabricating fantastical lies, but you are truly acting in contrary to the ideals of "Scientific Humanists" by putting your emotional arguments before cool logic and true humanism.OF COURSE they don't want HELL! But Jesus is so selfish, such a bigot, such a narcissist, that he won't (according to the Bible) let ethical Buddhists into heaven but rather will torture them for eternity. As Scientific Humanists we'd of course change that barbaric and inhuman and unfair scheme - that's because we are far more ethical than Jesus is.
Not a new term, but "Joy4Uall" is certainly using it as a mask for his hatred of theists by acting contrary to its precepts:If "hell" is for ETERNITY (is hell not for eternity, dude!?), then 99.99999999999999%+ is LOW, my friend! What %, dude, of one's total existence, counting the after-life, would "hell" be, then? I say 99.9999999999999%+....what say you? Yes, many Christians love Muslims for the 0.000000000000001%, but are ok with Muslims getting savagely tortured, unfairly, for the other 99.9999999999999%+.Nice statistic. Now back it up with factual evidence or admit you lied and fabricated the statistic.Those Christians do support Muslims for 0.000000000000001% of that Muslim's total existence (life on this earth)....but NOT for the 99.99999999999999%+ of their total existence (counting the "after-life") where those Muslims will burn, burn, burn - brutal, savage, torture.
Can we agree that "no torture" (which Scientific Humanists tend to believe) is more human and Jesus/god's policy of torturing all, say, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. per the Bible? Can we?
Scientific Humanists mostly believe in "no torture", so we can't approve of god/Jesus' Auschwitz-like torture of Muslims - our hearts are just too big.
Where does the Bible say that "hell" is not for eternity?
Scientific Humanists
Oh hell on Earth a new word?
Scientific humanism
Jesus hates, say, children, but we love children.Not a new term, but "Joy4Uall" is certainly using it as a mask for his hatred of theists by acting contrary to its precepts:If "hell" is for ETERNITY (is hell not for eternity, dude!?), then 99.99999999999999%+ is LOW, my friend! What %, dude, of one's total existence, counting the after-life, would "hell" be, then? I say 99.9999999999999%+....what say you? Yes, many Christians love Muslims for the 0.000000000000001%, but are ok with Muslims getting savagely tortured, unfairly, for the other 99.9999999999999%+.Nice statistic. Now back it up with factual evidence or admit you lied and fabricated the statistic.Those Christians do support Muslims for 0.000000000000001% of that Muslim's total existence (life on this earth)....but NOT for the 99.99999999999999%+ of their total existence (counting the "after-life") where those Muslims will burn, burn, burn - brutal, savage, torture.
Can we agree that "no torture" (which Scientific Humanists tend to believe) is more human and Jesus/god's policy of torturing all, say, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. per the Bible? Can we?
Scientific Humanists mostly believe in "no torture", so we can't approve of god/Jesus' Auschwitz-like torture of Muslims - our hearts are just too big.
Where does the Bible say that "hell" is not for eternity?
Scientific Humanists
Oh hell on Earth a new word?
Scientific humanism
Not an anarchist, not a member of BAMN, either.Yes I already knew that
Not a new term, but "Joy4Uall" is certainly using it as a mask for his hatred of theists by acting contrary to its precepts:If "hell" is for ETERNITY (is hell not for eternity, dude!?), then 99.99999999999999%+ is LOW, my friend! What %, dude, of one's total existence, counting the after-life, would "hell" be, then? I say 99.9999999999999%+....what say you? Yes, many Christians love Muslims for the 0.000000000000001%, but are ok with Muslims getting savagely tortured, unfairly, for the other 99.9999999999999%+.Nice statistic. Now back it up with factual evidence or admit you lied and fabricated the statistic.Those Christians do support Muslims for 0.000000000000001% of that Muslim's total existence (life on this earth)....but NOT for the 99.99999999999999%+ of their total existence (counting the "after-life") where those Muslims will burn, burn, burn - brutal, savage, torture.
Can we agree that "no torture" (which Scientific Humanists tend to believe) is more human and Jesus/god's policy of torturing all, say, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. per the Bible? Can we?
Scientific Humanists mostly believe in "no torture", so we can't approve of god/Jesus' Auschwitz-like torture of Muslims - our hearts are just too big.
Where does the Bible say that "hell" is not for eternity?
Scientific Humanists
Oh hell on Earth a new word?
Scientific humanism
Yes I already knew that.. the kid is trying to bring it into the main stream..
He heard it at Berkeley
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Religion is about faith, not court room level evidence. I have absolutely no interest in proving anything about religion, as that would be rather hypocritical of me. Why aren't any of the other religions providing court room level evidence that Christians have it wrong and will therefore not gain entry to paradise or whatever? Why do you put all the onus on Christianity?They don't see enough court-room level of evidence that Jesus is the one true god.....so if you had Jesus' super-powers, would YOU provide a court-room level of evidence for Jesus' divinity, enough so that many many more Buddhists would flock to Jesus and therefore get into heaven and avoid hell? I would of course. How about you? If you can't answer "yes" to this question, then please realize that there is a way for you to be more loving and caring than you currently are.Buddhists don't want entry into JCs heaven. If they did they'd be Christians! I don't pray. As I've explained, I'm not religious.If YOU can't say this prayer then I'm afraid that YOU would be the "hater":You seem to think I'm religious, I'm not.Open your heart like a Scientific Humanist - I know you can do that.I would, but I don't 'love everybody so much'. For example, I don't 'love' people I don't know.
You can move beyond Jesus - Jesus said that he only came to help one particular race/ethnicity:
GOD'S WORD® Translation
"Jesus responded, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel.""
If you can find it in your heart to "love people [you] don't know", then you will be more like a Scientific Humanist, and less like Jesus. You can move beyond Jesus' racism/ethnicism - the world will be a better place when you can find it in your heart to do that, mi amigo.
And I don't want to 'be like' a scientific humanist. I've met a few and they are among the most rabid haters I've ever come across!
"God/Jesus, if you exist, can you find it in your heart to let ethical Buddhists into heaven and avoid hell. Thanks."
Can you say that prayer (regardless of whether you think anyone is listening, as an exercise in love)?
Have a nice night.
The Christian Bible.. is about being decent to one another..Great point. Yes, in a perfect world I'd preface every single Biblical claim with the phrase "if the Bible is true".How can it be an unfair scheme, to someone who doesn't believe it exists?OF COURSE they don't want HELL! But Jesus is so selfish, such a bigot, such a narcissist, that he won't (according to the Bible) let ethical Buddhists into heaven but rather will torture them for eternity. As Scientific Humanists we'd of course change that barbaric and inhuman and unfair scheme - that's because we are far more ethical than Jesus is.Buddhists don't want entry into JCs heaven. If they did they'd be Christians! I don't pray. As I've explained, I'm not religious.If YOU can't say this prayer then I'm afraid that YOU would be the "hater":You seem to think I'm religious, I'm not.
And I don't want to 'be like' a scientific humanist. I've met a few and they are among the most rabid haters I've ever come across!
"God/Jesus, if you exist, can you find it in your heart to let ethical Buddhists into heaven and avoid hell. Thanks."
Can you say that prayer (regardless of whether you think anyone is listening, as an exercise in love)?
What bothers me is that Christians/Muslims do indeed believe that Jews, Hindus, gays, etc. are so disgusting (apparently) that Jesus/Allah are completely JUSTIFIED in barbaric, savage, inhuman torture of those groups, no matter than certain members of those groups are probably more ethical than certain heaven-bound Christians/Muslims. They are simply immoral people for accepting that barbaric scheme - just like a Nazi who, while say he didn't participate in the Holocaust, approved of the Holocaust. Christians/Muslims are like Nazis in that sense.
Nice. Now where is the link so I can verify you are not just lying and actually, for once, have a factual basis for your opinions.You make a valid point - I should more often say "the Center For Scientific Humanism's belief system....."
Those Christians do support Muslims for 0.000000000000001% of that Muslim's total existence (life on this earth)....but NOT for the 99.99999999999999%+ of their total existence (counting the "after-life") where those Muslims will burn, burn, burn - brutal, savage, torture.
Can we agree that "no torture" (which Scientific Humanists tend to believe) is more human and Jesus/god's policy of torturing all, say, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. per the Bible? Can we?
No, I'm not - John 14:6 shows that Jesus of the Bible is a narcissist. He's not about, say, "doing good works and being ethical", rather he's all about "suck up to me, me, me!" There is a better way.Wow. Not only are you fabricating fantastical lies, but you are truly acting in contrary to the ideals of "Scientific Humanists" by putting your emotional arguments before cool logic and true humanism.OF COURSE they don't want HELL! But Jesus is so selfish, such a bigot, such a narcissist, that he won't (according to the Bible) let ethical Buddhists into heaven but rather will torture them for eternity. As Scientific Humanists we'd of course change that barbaric and inhuman and unfair scheme - that's because we are far more ethical than Jesus is.
Gotta run now, but I don't think I've said stuff that is not true.Nice. Now where is the link so I can verify you are not just lying and actually, for once, have a factual basis for your opinions.You make a valid point - I should more often say "the Center For Scientific Humanism's belief system....."
BTW, still waiting for a link to those stats you posted. Did I miss your post linking them?
But Christians try to spread the word. That's all they can do. Christians aren't JC.But CHRISTIANS accept, yes, accept, the Bible saying that Buddhists will indeed be tossed into a "lake of fire", so Christians are unethical.But they don't believe in a Christian hell, and neither should you, BTW. So no harm doneOF COURSE they don't want HELL! But Jesus is so selfish, such a bigot, such a narcissist, that he won't (according to the Bible) let ethical Buddhists into heaven but rather will torture them for eternity. As Scientific Humanists we'd of course change that barbaric and inhuman and unfair scheme - that's because we are far more ethical than Jesus is.Buddhists don't want entry into JCs heaven. If they did they'd be Christians! I don't pray. As I've explained, I'm not religious.If YOU can't say this prayer then I'm afraid that YOU would be the "hater":You seem to think I'm religious, I'm not.
And I don't want to 'be like' a scientific humanist. I've met a few and they are among the most rabid haters I've ever come across!
"God/Jesus, if you exist, can you find it in your heart to let ethical Buddhists into heaven and avoid hell. Thanks."
Can you say that prayer (regardless of whether you think anyone is listening, as an exercise in love)?
Please tell us which is more ethical: to throw (ethical) Jews into a "lake of fire" (Jesus), or to throw Jews into ovens (Hitler.)
Which is more ethical? Please tell us.
Care to rescind that statement?I
The Christian Bible.. is about being decent to one another..Great point. Yes, in a perfect world I'd preface every single Biblical claim with the phrase "if the Bible is true".How can it be an unfair scheme, to someone who doesn't believe it exists?OF COURSE they don't want HELL! But Jesus is so selfish, such a bigot, such a narcissist, that he won't (according to the Bible) let ethical Buddhists into heaven but rather will torture them for eternity. As Scientific Humanists we'd of course change that barbaric and inhuman and unfair scheme - that's because we are far more ethical than Jesus is.Buddhists don't want entry into JCs heaven. If they did they'd be Christians! I don't pray. As I've explained, I'm not religious.If YOU can't say this prayer then I'm afraid that YOU would be the "hater":
"God/Jesus, if you exist, can you find it in your heart to let ethical Buddhists into heaven and avoid hell. Thanks."
Can you say that prayer (regardless of whether you think anyone is listening, as an exercise in love)?
What bothers me is that Christians/Muslims do indeed believe that Jews, Hindus, gays, etc. are so disgusting (apparently) that Jesus/Allah are completely JUSTIFIED in barbaric, savage, inhuman torture of those groups, no matter than certain members of those groups are probably more ethical than certain heaven-bound Christians/Muslims. They are simply immoral people for accepting that barbaric scheme - just like a Nazi who, while say he didn't participate in the Holocaust, approved of the Holocaust. Christians/Muslims are like Nazis in that sense.
"The word" is this: if you don't suck up to a 2000 year old magic invisible dead guy then you are such utter scum that the most knowing and loving entity of all time will treat you far far worse than even Hitler ever treated any of his Jewish inmates in his "lake of fire".But Christians try to spread the word. That's all they can do. Christians aren't JC.But CHRISTIANS accept, yes, accept, the Bible saying that Buddhists will indeed be tossed into a "lake of fire", so Christians are unethical.But they don't believe in a Christian hell, and neither should you, BTW. So no harm doneOF COURSE they don't want HELL! But Jesus is so selfish, such a bigot, such a narcissist, that he won't (according to the Bible) let ethical Buddhists into heaven but rather will torture them for eternity. As Scientific Humanists we'd of course change that barbaric and inhuman and unfair scheme - that's because we are far more ethical than Jesus is.Buddhists don't want entry into JCs heaven. If they did they'd be Christians! I don't pray. As I've explained, I'm not religious.If YOU can't say this prayer then I'm afraid that YOU would be the "hater":
"God/Jesus, if you exist, can you find it in your heart to let ethical Buddhists into heaven and avoid hell. Thanks."
Can you say that prayer (regardless of whether you think anyone is listening, as an exercise in love)?
Please tell us which is more ethical: to throw (ethical) Jews into a "lake of fire" (Jesus), or to throw Jews into ovens (Hitler.)
Which is more ethical? Please tell us.
Here are HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of verses that show that you are, unfortunately, dead wrong about that my friend: Cruelty and ViolenceI
The Christian Bible.. is about being decent to one another..Great point. Yes, in a perfect world I'd preface every single Biblical claim with the phrase "if the Bible is true".How can it be an unfair scheme, to someone who doesn't believe it exists?OF COURSE they don't want HELL! But Jesus is so selfish, such a bigot, such a narcissist, that he won't (according to the Bible) let ethical Buddhists into heaven but rather will torture them for eternity. As Scientific Humanists we'd of course change that barbaric and inhuman and unfair scheme - that's because we are far more ethical than Jesus is.Buddhists don't want entry into JCs heaven. If they did they'd be Christians! I don't pray. As I've explained, I'm not religious.If YOU can't say this prayer then I'm afraid that YOU would be the "hater":
"God/Jesus, if you exist, can you find it in your heart to let ethical Buddhists into heaven and avoid hell. Thanks."
Can you say that prayer (regardless of whether you think anyone is listening, as an exercise in love)?
What bothers me is that Christians/Muslims do indeed believe that Jews, Hindus, gays, etc. are so disgusting (apparently) that Jesus/Allah are completely JUSTIFIED in barbaric, savage, inhuman torture of those groups, no matter than certain members of those groups are probably more ethical than certain heaven-bound Christians/Muslims. They are simply immoral people for accepting that barbaric scheme - just like a Nazi who, while say he didn't participate in the Holocaust, approved of the Holocaust. Christians/Muslims are like Nazis in that sense.
Jesus hates, say, children, but we love children.Not a new term, but "Joy4Uall" is certainly using it as a mask for his hatred of theists by acting contrary to its precepts:If "hell" is for ETERNITY (is hell not for eternity, dude!?), then 99.99999999999999%+ is LOW, my friend! What %, dude, of one's total existence, counting the after-life, would "hell" be, then? I say 99.9999999999999%+....what say you? Yes, many Christians love Muslims for the 0.000000000000001%, but are ok with Muslims getting savagely tortured, unfairly, for the other 99.9999999999999%+.Nice statistic. Now back it up with factual evidence or admit you lied and fabricated the statistic.Those Christians do support Muslims for 0.000000000000001% of that Muslim's total existence (life on this earth)....but NOT for the 99.99999999999999%+ of their total existence (counting the "after-life") where those Muslims will burn, burn, burn - brutal, savage, torture.
Can we agree that "no torture" (which Scientific Humanists tend to believe) is more human and Jesus/god's policy of torturing all, say, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. per the Bible? Can we?
Scientific Humanists mostly believe in "no torture", so we can't approve of god/Jesus' Auschwitz-like torture of Muslims - our hearts are just too big.
Where does the Bible say that "hell" is not for eternity?
Scientific Humanists
Oh hell on Earth a new word?
Scientific humanism
[Jesus said to them:] “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. " - Luke 14:26
We love kids too much to advocate leaving them - we are not extremists like Jesus obviously was (if the Bible is accurate in that quote.)
Yes, we have a regular weekly Bible burning at Berkeley.Yes I already knew that
Not a new term, but "Joy4Uall" is certainly using it as a mask for his hatred of theists by acting contrary to its precepts:If "hell" is for ETERNITY (is hell not for eternity, dude!?), then 99.99999999999999%+ is LOW, my friend! What %, dude, of one's total existence, counting the after-life, would "hell" be, then? I say 99.9999999999999%+....what say you? Yes, many Christians love Muslims for the 0.000000000000001%, but are ok with Muslims getting savagely tortured, unfairly, for the other 99.9999999999999%+.Nice statistic. Now back it up with factual evidence or admit you lied and fabricated the statistic.Those Christians do support Muslims for 0.000000000000001% of that Muslim's total existence (life on this earth)....but NOT for the 99.99999999999999%+ of their total existence (counting the "after-life") where those Muslims will burn, burn, burn - brutal, savage, torture.
Can we agree that "no torture" (which Scientific Humanists tend to believe) is more human and Jesus/god's policy of torturing all, say, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc. per the Bible? Can we?
Scientific Humanists mostly believe in "no torture", so we can't approve of god/Jesus' Auschwitz-like torture of Muslims - our hearts are just too big.
Where does the Bible say that "hell" is not for eternity?
Scientific Humanists
Oh hell on Earth a new word?
Scientific humanism
Yes I already knew that.. the kid is trying to bring it into the main stream..
He heard it at Berkeley
.
Can you condemn Jesus for saying in Luke 14:26 to people to leave their family (children)?Jesus hates, say, children, but we love children.Not a new term, but "Joy4Uall" is certainly using it as a mask for his hatred of theists by acting contrary to its precepts:If "hell" is for ETERNITY (is hell not for eternity, dude!?), then 99.99999999999999%+ is LOW, my friend! What %, dude, of one's total existence, counting the after-life, would "hell" be, then? I say 99.9999999999999%+....what say you? Yes, many Christians love Muslims for the 0.000000000000001%, but are ok with Muslims getting savagely tortured, unfairly, for the other 99.9999999999999%+.Nice statistic. Now back it up with factual evidence or admit you lied and fabricated the statistic.
Scientific Humanists mostly believe in "no torture", so we can't approve of god/Jesus' Auschwitz-like torture of Muslims - our hearts are just too big.
Where does the Bible say that "hell" is not for eternity?
Scientific Humanists
Oh hell on Earth a new word?
Scientific humanism
[Jesus said to them:] “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. " - Luke 14:26
We love kids too much to advocate leaving them - we are not extremists like Jesus obviously was (if the Bible is accurate in that quote.)
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