If your kids turn out gay, would you kill them as Bible/Islam imply?

[Divine Wind]

God isn't mean or cruel. In comparison, kindergartners may think their teacher is mean by giving them a timeout or restricting fingerpainting time, but it's the long run results which should be considered.

In the case of God, the short term is mortal life. The long term is an eternal existence that transcends mortal life.

No kidding. Do you think I haven't heard all of this a bajillion times? No offense, but you are certainly not going to make a believer out of me using even more religious mumbo jumbo. Lol!

Sorry, sweetie. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me if you believe or not. That's your choice, not mine. What I am doing it correcting a fucked up view that atheists often present such as "If God existed why does he allow children to die?" The answer could easily be as I stated.

I'm not a proselytizer nor a conventional Christian. Believe if you want, do not believe if you don't want to do so. My only concern is to correct fucked up logic as far as those who believe and those who don't goes.

Good because I've heard it all before. It's not a matter of "want to believe." Believe me, it would be nicer to be able to believe like most other people. I'm a realist and I require hard evidence to believe in something, and the stories! . . . . Of course, no one knows for sure, but I am VERY skeptical to say the least.

Great. I'm a realist too. OTOH, I don't ask stupid questions in order to undermine the beliefs of others then bitch at them when they give an answer that fits with their beliefs.

Hey, I'm not the OP. I'm just sharing my thoughts and opinions on the matter.

Me too and your response was "No kidding. Do you think I haven't heard all of this a bajillion times? No offense, but you are certainly not going to make a believer out of me using even more religious mumbo jumbo."

 

[miketx]

Like Earl says, we all were given freedom of choice.

 

[Tilly]

I think one of my kids is gay. I don't know how it is with other people with children, but his behavior is nothing short of bizarre. He didn't used to be like that.

OMG - R U a Christian

 

[miketx]

I think one of my kids is gay. I don't know how it is with other people with children, but his behavior is nothing short of bizarre. He didn't used to be like that.

OMG - R U a Christian

I suppose, I was raised that way, but I don't go to church much. I just don't get all the hypocrisy.

 

[ChrisL]

No kidding. Do you think I haven't heard all of this a bajillion times? No offense, but you are certainly not going to make a believer out of me using even more religious mumbo jumbo. Lol!

Sorry, sweetie. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me if you believe or not. That's your choice, not mine. What I am doing it correcting a fucked up view that atheists often present such as "If God existed why does he allow children to die?" The answer could easily be as I stated.

I'm not a proselytizer nor a conventional Christian. Believe if you want, do not believe if you don't want to do so. My only concern is to correct fucked up logic as far as those who believe and those who don't goes.

Good because I've heard it all before. It's not a matter of "want to believe." Believe me, it would be nicer to be able to believe like most other people. I'm a realist and I require hard evidence to believe in something, and the stories! . . . . Of course, no one knows for sure, but I am VERY skeptical to say the least.

Great. I'm a realist too. OTOH, I don't ask stupid questions in order to undermine the beliefs of others then bitch at them when they give an answer that fits with their beliefs.

Hey, I'm not the OP. I'm just sharing my thoughts and opinions on the matter.

Me too and your response was "No kidding. Do you think I haven't heard all of this a bajillion times? No offense, but you are certainly not going to make a believer out of me using even more religious mumbo jumbo."

A little sensitive? Good grief! Fine, don't address my posts anymore if you are going to be a whiny baby.

 

[Tilly]

I think one of my kids is gay. I don't know how it is with other people with children, but his behavior is nothing short of bizarre. He didn't used to be like that.

OMG - R U a Christian

I suppose, I was raised that way, but I don't go to church much. I just don't get all the hypocrisy.

i was just kidding....re the thread title

 

[miketx]

I think one of my kids is gay. I don't know how it is with other people with children, but his behavior is nothing short of bizarre. He didn't used to be like that.

OMG - R U a Christian

I suppose, I was raised that way, but I don't go to church much. I just don't get all the hypocrisy.

i was just kidding....re the thread title

I can't take a joke. Stop it or you'll burn in hell!

 

[Divine Wind]

I find the hypocrisy of using the Bible to selectively condemn homosexuality, while not condemning divorce & remarriage, to be hilarious.

Mark 10:11-12
"11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.
12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”

And adultery is specifically spoken against in the 10 Commandments.

Agreed 100%. Cherry-picking the Bible, regardless of who is doing it and for what reason, is wrong.

 

[Divine Wind]

Like Earl says, we all were given freedom of choice.

Agreed, within limitations. A child with a heart defect or spina bifida had no more choice in the matter than an autistic child.

 

[Divine Wind]

Sorry, sweetie. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me if you believe or not. That's your choice, not mine. What I am doing it correcting a fucked up view that atheists often present such as "If God existed why does he allow children to die?" The answer could easily be as I stated.

I'm not a proselytizer nor a conventional Christian. Believe if you want, do not believe if you don't want to do so. My only concern is to correct fucked up logic as far as those who believe and those who don't goes.

Good because I've heard it all before. It's not a matter of "want to believe." Believe me, it would be nicer to be able to believe like most other people. I'm a realist and I require hard evidence to believe in something, and the stories! . . . . Of course, no one knows for sure, but I am VERY skeptical to say the least.

Great. I'm a realist too. OTOH, I don't ask stupid questions in order to undermine the beliefs of others then bitch at them when they give an answer that fits with their beliefs.

Hey, I'm not the OP. I'm just sharing my thoughts and opinions on the matter.

Me too and your response was "No kidding. Do you think I haven't heard all of this a bajillion times? No offense, but you are certainly not going to make a believer out of me using even more religious mumbo jumbo."

A little sensitive? Good grief! Fine, don't address my posts anymore if you are going to be a whiny baby.

Nope. On the contrary, Chris, you're the one who had the conniption as I quoted.

 

[ChrisL]

Good because I've heard it all before. It's not a matter of "want to believe." Believe me, it would be nicer to be able to believe like most other people. I'm a realist and I require hard evidence to believe in something, and the stories! . . . . Of course, no one knows for sure, but I am VERY skeptical to say the least.

Great. I'm a realist too. OTOH, I don't ask stupid questions in order to undermine the beliefs of others then bitch at them when they give an answer that fits with their beliefs.

Hey, I'm not the OP. I'm just sharing my thoughts and opinions on the matter.

Me too and your response was "No kidding. Do you think I haven't heard all of this a bajillion times? No offense, but you are certainly not going to make a believer out of me using even more religious mumbo jumbo."

A little sensitive? Good grief! Fine, don't address my posts anymore if you are going to be a whiny baby.

Nope. On the contrary, Chris, you're the one who had the conniption as I quoted.

No I wasn't. Just letting you know not to bother to preach to me. I've already heard it all.

 

[miketx]

Like Earl says, we all were given freedom of choice.

Agreed, within limitations. A child with a heart defect or spina bifida had no more choice in the matter than an autistic child.

Which has nothing to do with choice, except that of the parents.

 

[ChrisL]

As soon as you say you find the Bible unbelievable or that you don't believe, the religious folks get all offended. Well, I'm very sorry, but that's too bad. We who do not believe in this kind of stuff can state our opinions on the matter as well. Everything I say is how I really feel. I'm not saying things just to upset someone else. I find it difficult to believe that fully grown adults would believe in the Bible and, to me, it is not much different than believing in Santa Claus.

 

[ChrisL]

I remember when I was kid being skeptical about Santa Claus too, but I wanted to believe. I really, really wanted there to be a Santa Claus.

 

[Divine Wind]

Like Earl says, we all were given freedom of choice.

Agreed, within limitations. A child with a heart defect or spina bifida had no more choice in the matter than an autistic child.

Which has nothing to do with choice, except that of the parents.

Neither is being gay or straight. The choice is acting upon their desires like 13 years having sex, but there is no choice in their desires to have sex.

 

[Divine Wind]

No I wasn't. Just letting you know not to bother to preach to me. I've already heard it all.

Not preaching. Try not to have a conniption every time someone answers your questions in a manner not to your liking:

I remember being just a little tiny girl and wondering why would our god be SO mean and cruel? It just didn't make any sense to me then, and it doesn't now. IF he is the creator of all things, then HE created gay people too!

God isn't mean or cruel. In comparison, kindergartners may think their teacher is mean by giving them a timeout or restricting fingerpainting time, but it's the long run results which should be considered.

In the case of God, the short term is mortal life. The long term is an eternal existence that transcends mortal life.

 

[Tilly]

I think one of my kids is gay. I don't know how it is with other people with children, but his behavior is nothing short of bizarre. He didn't used to be like that.

OMG - R U a Christian

I suppose, I was raised that way, but I don't go to church much. I just don't get all the hypocrisy.

i was just kidding....re the thread title

I can't take a joke. Stop it or you'll burn in hell!

'Twasnt as funny on the page

 

[ChrisL]

No I wasn't. Just letting you know not to bother to preach to me. I've already heard it all.

Not preaching. Try not to have a conniption every time someone answers your questions in a manner not to your liking:

I remember being just a little tiny girl and wondering why would our god be SO mean and cruel? It just didn't make any sense to me then, and it doesn't now. IF he is the creator of all things, then HE created gay people too!

God isn't mean or cruel. In comparison, kindergartners may think their teacher is mean by giving them a timeout or restricting fingerpainting time, but it's the long run results which should be considered.

In the case of God, the short term is mortal life. The long term is an eternal existence that transcends mortal life.

It sounds preachy. Yes it does.

 

[esthermoon]

Question: If your children turn out to eventually be gay, would you kill them as the Bible/Islamic texts imply, or are the Bible/Islamic texts wrong? Which is it?

“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

If you reply "I don't follow the OT", that's great - then admit that it's wrong (or else you'd follow it).

I believe in loving gays, so of course I think we can move beyond the morality in the Bible/Islamic texts since they got it wrong.

Your opinion?

Religions can "evolve" during the years. You can see Christians used violence in the past but now they don't do any violent act.
So you don't have to choose between killing your gay children or declaring Bible or Koran wrong.
Plus religious texts must be decoded because parts of those books are allegorical

If they need to "evolve" then they are NOT from an all-knowing god, and that also would show that the Bible is wrong because a number of Biblical passages say that god does not CHANGE.

Well this is a real problem. I'm not a specialist in religions but maybe somebody could suppose an all-knowing divinity wants his own religion to change through the years (for unknown reasons)

 

[Divine Wind]

No I wasn't. Just letting you know not to bother to preach to me. I've already heard it all.

Not preaching. Try not to have a conniption every time someone answers your questions in a manner not to your liking:

I remember being just a little tiny girl and wondering why would our god be SO mean and cruel? It just didn't make any sense to me then, and it doesn't now. IF he is the creator of all things, then HE created gay people too!

God isn't mean or cruel. In comparison, kindergartners may think their teacher is mean by giving them a timeout or restricting fingerpainting time, but it's the long run results which should be considered.

In the case of God, the short term is mortal life. The long term is an eternal existence that transcends mortal life.

It sounds preachy. Yes it does.

Now who is being a "little sensitive"?

A little sensitive? Good grief! Fine, don't address my posts anymore if you are going to be a whiny baby.