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"That is Colin Kaepernick, and he's at 49ers camp wearing socks that depict little piggies wearing police hats."

Kaepernick wore police pig socks at 49ers camp

***SNOWFLAKE ALERT!!!!***

***ALL CONSERVATIVES RETREAT TO YOUR SAFE SPACES!!!!***

Conservatives don't have safe spaces...that is an entirely liberal construct.

Hold your ears, Snowflake!!

But out here in the real world, it is the fragile, conservative white man who is most willing to trample on the Constitution in order to be protected from your ouchy words and conflicting ideals. Unlike kids on college campus, it’s the white man who wants to use the power of the state to stamp out dissent and live in the echo chamber of their own “alternative facts.”

The Intercept has a great piece out today about the eight states where Republicans are actively trying to come up with laws designed to restrict protests: Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, North Dakota, Virginia, and Washington State. At least. “n North Dakota, conservatives are even pushing a bill that would allow motorists to run over and kill protesters so long as the collision was accidental.” (The North Dakota bill probably still wouldn’t make Glenn Reynolds happy, but still.)


This is what white male fragility looks like. It’s not enough for them to have their own facts, their own news channels, their own Congress, their own courts, and their own president. The appearance of dissent is so troubling to them that Republicans literally want to be able to run you down in the street, for the crime of disagreeing with them.​

The Conservative Need For Safe Spaces Is Laughable, Unconstitutional, And SAD!

The Intercept...

Safe spaces are a contruct of liberal college students...those that can't handle reality. That's a fact, as much as it might embarrass you.

Conservatives put their ideology ahead of the United States.

 

[bornright]

According to many the north fought and many died to free the blacks. Do you as a black man respect those?

 

[bornright]

Really? A majority of us veterans think he's an ignorant jackass. He has the right to do it, but we have a right to point out that he's an idiot.

There are millions of ignorant socialist VETERANS like you and your ilk.

You are confused and ignorant. Sucks to be you.

But why would any veteran want to show support for a racist bigot who hates the country that made him rich and famous?

Not all veterans are programmed racist Idiots.

It is very rare that veterans are racist however it is very common that some people are self oppressed.

 

[bornright]

The NFL national anthem protesters are just more dumb racist Democrats.
This sort of left wing hate is going to hurt the Democrats reelections chances

Democrats are horrible racist cretins and that is why they make politics about race

1200 people were killed-murdered by police and not one officer were found guilty.

I am totally shocked that only 1200 thugs were killed by police as I would have thought the number would have been much higher. Over what period of time are you talking about?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

View attachment 151371

"That is Colin Kaepernick, and he's at 49ers camp wearing socks that depict little piggies wearing police hats."

Kaepernick wore police pig socks at 49ers camp

***SNOWFLAKE ALERT!!!!***

***ALL CONSERVATIVES RETREAT TO YOUR SAFE SPACES!!!!***

Conservatives don't have safe spaces...that is an entirely liberal construct.

Hold your ears, Snowflake!!

But out here in the real world, it is the fragile, conservative white man who is most willing to trample on the Constitution in order to be protected from your ouchy words and conflicting ideals. Unlike kids on college campus, it’s the white man who wants to use the power of the state to stamp out dissent and live in the echo chamber of their own “alternative facts.”

The Intercept has a great piece out today about the eight states where Republicans are actively trying to come up with laws designed to restrict protests: Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, North Dakota, Virginia, and Washington State. At least. “n North Dakota, conservatives are even pushing a bill that would allow motorists to run over and kill protesters so long as the collision was accidental.” (The North Dakota bill probably still wouldn’t make Glenn Reynolds happy, but still.)


This is what white male fragility looks like. It’s not enough for them to have their own facts, their own news channels, their own Congress, their own courts, and their own president. The appearance of dissent is so troubling to them that Republicans literally want to be able to run you down in the street, for the crime of disagreeing with them.​

The Conservative Need For Safe Spaces Is Laughable, Unconstitutional, And SAD!

The Intercept...

Safe spaces are a contruct of liberal college students...those that can't handle reality. That's a fact, as much as it might embarrass you.

Conservatives put their ideology ahead of the United States.

Well we never claimed we would "transform America" we claimed we would make America Great Again; big difference.

And what ideology do you speak of? Turning the other way to illegals in this country so we can eventually get more votes from them? Then they take jobs from Americans and keep wages lower for blue collar workers? Even go as far as protecting them in our sanctuary cities, and fighting against legislation to keep the illegals who are criminals out of this country?

Or maybe you are talking about how we want to disarm law biding citizens so crime would increase. Because you know, the more you need government for protection, the more you need to vote Republican. Or maybe you're talking about how we drastically increased government dependency on welfare--like doubling the food stamp role. You do know that between food stamps and Commie Care, we Republicans created over 40 million more new government dependents.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Talk is cheap and doesn't solve the problem. Just like riots don't solve the problem, protests don't solve the problem, anti-Ameircan displays don't solve the problem. The only thing they do is cost a lot of people a lot of money.

I’ll bite... What solves the problem?

Very well:

Issue: football players protesting police brutality of black suspects.

Common denominator: all black suspects killed didn't listen to the orders of the police officers.

Solution to stop suspects from being killed: Obey all commands by a police officer.

Results: problem of blacks (armed and unarmed) getting killed by police officers stops.

Haha. Ray you can’t list “obey the law” as a solution. Of course that’s a solution but there are no action items on how to get that desired result. Want to try again?

Sure there are. Why don't some of these NFL billionaires fund a program that hires police officers to do assemblies in school gymnasiums? While we're at it, lets see those kneelers put some of their money where their mouth is as well.

The police can teach children how to interact with police officers if they are ever in that situation. Teach the kids how they were trained and why they make commands that they make. Teach them some of our laws that are frequently misconstrued. Teach them that no police officer wants to kill anybody; they do so because of no other choice. Their friends and family lie to them when they say that the white police are out to kill as many black folks as they can get away with.

Now if we had programs like that, would those programs likely save more black people getting killed by police or kneeling when the National Anthem is being played?

Those are all good ideas that I would support. I think if you took the time to look at the community outreach that both the NFL and many of its players do, you would be surprised. They put a tremendous amount of time and money into their communities and towards youth programs. Hopefully this discussion stirs support for more of the interactions that you mentioned between cops and the community. I think those efforts would definatey make a difference. The only way to get there is by voicing a demand for it or electing leaders who support those efforts. Wouldn’t you agree?

Community outreach is great, but it doesn't change their views on law enforcement.

What I wrote about is a way of communication between our police and citizens--especially black citizens.

Younger black kids actually believe that white cops are out to kill them. Besides this being urban legend passed on to them by their friends and family, it's promoted by the main stream media. So if they find themselves in a situation of breaking the law, they go even further by trying to escape or harm officers because this is all they know.

MSM is a huge player in all this because they deliberately stir shit up for more news. Creating the environment for protests and riots is fodder for their industry. The larger the protests and riots, the more people tune into their news.

Unfortunately, we can't stop the news from lying to people, but what we can do is give people the other side of the story. And that's why I think if we had a police program to teach kids that not only is the MSM full of shit, but police have very good reasons for doing the things they do, like tell a suspect to freeze, placing them in handcuffs even though not technically arrested, trying to get information to help solve a crime, making the situation worse or threatening by driving your car at police officers to get away. I'm sure there is a whole list of things they can teach kids about what they do for a living and the real reason they chose that line of work.

 

[initforme]

Ray what should be taught is reality.....a good work ethic will help one eel by. We should encourage young people earning anything less than six figures to not get married and not have kids.....

 

[initforme]

Less drag on society.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The right is "smart" enough to be able to ignore most things that aren't convenient to their narrative, and pretend like everything works in their favor.

Most of the world knows that the US is the biggest threat to global security right now. The right in the US has "cowboy 'n' injun" syndrome, where the Cowboys were the good guys committing genocide and the injuns were the bad guys protecting their homelands from invasion.

Well, yes, the US isn't willing to kill people for just religious reasons, the US requires there to be oil or something similar. Are you saying killing for religion is worse than killing for oil?

Yes, if 10% of the Muslims population were suicidal, it would cause us a massive problem, but clearly 10% aren't suicidal, in fact the number is probably closer to 0.0001%. But then people like you will ignore this math and pretend that Muslims are much more of a threat than the US govt.

Without the US govt extremist Islam wouldn't have been much of an issue today. But the US lost its common enemy in 1990 and didn't know what to do. So you make problems knowing full well that Muslims would fight back, and you got your wish, instability, terrorism, reasons to take people's rights away and so you can elect "strong" leaders who talk about killing people. You can't get enough of this fucking bullshit.

More than 10% of all Muslims are radical Muslims. A large percentage of them are willing to kill over their religion. Shiites under age 30 are willing to kill themselves to get 72 virgins when they reach Heaven. This comes from the fact that most of them are unable to marry until they reach 30. This causes DSB (DEADLY SPERM BUILDUP) Those rags be crazy if they don't get any till 30.

Sure they are, and you can prove this... no, wait, you can't and you won't, but you'll still spout the same old crap every day.

1. Dissemination of a subculture of martyrdom. As pointed out by Gill[10], the concept of a "subculture of martyrdom" refers to a set of beliefs and symbolic resources that have been extracted from the political culture or the religion that insurgent groups who perpetrate suicide attacks share with a constituent community. These beliefs and symbolic resources are adapted in order to build a moral interpretation of suicide attacks as a legitimate and heroic sacrifice in favour of a certain community or social collective, or as a response to a sacred obligation (in the case of suicide violence promoted by religious groups). Obviously, the spreading of a subculture of martyrdom is frequently connected with religious indoctrination and generally speaking should be understood as the result of several activities developed to attain that goal: proselytizing, preaching, charismatic leadership, propaganda, intensive indoctrination of future suicide bombers, etc.[11] The subculture of martyrdom that promotes jihadi suicide violence adds two frequent and strong motivations for "martyrdom operations": as a way of atoning for the previous sins, or as an action that would be compensated with a rewards after death and/or some benefits to the suicide bomber's family in life (from cash bonuses to free apartments.[12]Suicide Terrorism as a Tool of Insurgency Campaigns: Functions, Risk Factors, and Countermeasures | Corte | Perspectives on Terrorism

Unlike Sunni Islam, Shi`a theology is famous for promoting a cult of martyrdom—a discursive-mythical paradigm that is symbolically rooted in the multifaceted narrative of the self-sacrifice of the Prophet Muhammad’s beloved grandson, Husayn, who is believed to have died a “noble” death at the plains of Karbala at the hands of the “evil” army of Caliph Yazid in 680 AD. A short history of suicide bombing | AOAV


However, suicide attacks aren't exclusive to the Shi'
The rise of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia thru AL Qaeda led to suicide attacks on 911.

And what is the point you are making?

The fact that countries can compete against countries like the US with Jihad, shows why poorer Muslim countries use Jihad.

When the British went into Afghanistan, they got kicked out and the ONLY way the Afghans could find to defeat the British was with Jihad, because they didn't have the weaponry or training to compete with the trained British soldiers. So, they get their troops to be devoted to their religion, and as such make much better soldiers.

If you go round fucking with weaker oil rich countries because you think it'll be easy to pick on then, then you get kicked in the balls by them, don't go around complaining. The US caused the rise of Jihad, caused many Muslims to become radicalized. The US WANTED this and got it.

You asked me to prove it...so I proved it.
The US as a whole didn't want it. It is possible that the warmongering Establishment insiders in Washington wanted it. I know Hillary and Obama wanted it.

No, you didn't prove it. You posted something which might be part of the evidence you might use to prove something, but certainly what you posted is far from proof.

The US didn't want it? When the establishment says you want it, you want it. They spend a lot of money making sure you want everything.

Poll: Most Americans support using U.S. troops if North Korea invades South

More people are in favor of using troops against North Korea. Why? Because they're putting a lot of effort into telling you this is what you want. It was done with Iraq on a massive scale.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I'm trying to find the link between what I said and what you said. It's not coming to me. Maybe you can explain.

Question: What did I mean

Answer: Blacks don't deserve special consideration just because you want their votes


They shouldn't be allowed to make sweeping stereotypes about America as a whole just because of the acts of a few individuals. That is what they're doing here. Their own actions led us to this.

Wait. First, there are elections and people get to vote. The whole point of this is so that candidate can appeal to voters.

As for making sweeping stereotypes, the right doesn't have a problem with this when it comes to Muslims, does it? I mean, Trump does it all the time. So..... why shouldn't blacks?

The right is smart enough to know that Muslims are the only group that seems to have so much of a problem with the rest of the world that they're willing to kill people they don't know for no reason other than religion. Not all Muslims do this, but enough of them to make them a security risk. If only 10% of them are suicidal and homicidal, since 22% of the worlds population is Muslim, 2.2% of the world is going to try to kill the rest of us in the name of Muhammad. That's 165,000,000 potential murderers walking among us. The more of these people you bring here the more killing they will do. The only way you can change this is if you either stop them from coming here or change the religion. It's easier to stop them from coming here because you can't change an entire life of brainwashing.

Very bigoted and short sided view. There are over 7 millions Muslims in the US...of what you said was true, you will here about US killing others like you said at least 2 times day....but it's not happening. You know why? Because we are busy making America stay great as it always was. We are businessmen and women, doctors, engineers, congressman , nurses, athletes, ect....we are the least to commit crimes in the US.

I figure most Muslims in America are moderates.

Then Obama starts bringing thousands of them from Syria and other countries that hate us.

We just had a murder this weekend up here in Nashville this weekend. Guy was an immigrant from SUDAN. Walked into a church and murdered a woman before an armed deacon stopped him.

Shooter kills one, wounds 7 at Tennessee church - CNN

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVvYKiMpZP44AYKc3nIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByMG04Z2o2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1506474122/RO=10/RU=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/24/deadly-tennessee-church-shooting-sudanese-immigrant-arrested-fbi-to-launch-civil-rights-investigation.html/RK=1/RS=yMkQrpGjI8GeJT4PETx2emL3a1E-

Except the guy came to the US in 1996, not under Obama.

Why did it take this guy 21 years to actually come out and do something? He's 25 years old. He was 4 years old when he moved to the US. This isn't a case of importing terrorists. This is not an immigration issue. The guy was essentially American.

 

[Slade3200]

I’ll bite... What solves the problem?

Very well:

Issue: football players protesting police brutality of black suspects.

Common denominator: all black suspects killed didn't listen to the orders of the police officers.

Solution to stop suspects from being killed: Obey all commands by a police officer.

Results: problem of blacks (armed and unarmed) getting killed by police officers stops.

Haha. Ray you can’t list “obey the law” as a solution. Of course that’s a solution but there are no action items on how to get that desired result. Want to try again?

Sure there are. Why don't some of these NFL billionaires fund a program that hires police officers to do assemblies in school gymnasiums? While we're at it, lets see those kneelers put some of their money where their mouth is as well.

The police can teach children how to interact with police officers if they are ever in that situation. Teach the kids how they were trained and why they make commands that they make. Teach them some of our laws that are frequently misconstrued. Teach them that no police officer wants to kill anybody; they do so because of no other choice. Their friends and family lie to them when they say that the white police are out to kill as many black folks as they can get away with.

Now if we had programs like that, would those programs likely save more black people getting killed by police or kneeling when the National Anthem is being played?

Those are all good ideas that I would support. I think if you took the time to look at the community outreach that both the NFL and many of its players do, you would be surprised. They put a tremendous amount of time and money into their communities and towards youth programs. Hopefully this discussion stirs support for more of the interactions that you mentioned between cops and the community. I think those efforts would definatey make a difference. The only way to get there is by voicing a demand for it or electing leaders who support those efforts. Wouldn’t you agree?

Community outreach is great, but it doesn't change their views on law enforcement.

What I wrote about is a way of communication between our police and citizens--especially black citizens.

Younger black kids actually believe that white cops are out to kill them. Besides this being urban legend passed on to them by their friends and family, it's promoted by the main stream media. So if they find themselves in a situation of breaking the law, they go even further by trying to escape or harm officers because this is all they know.

MSM is a huge player in all this because they deliberately stir shit up for more news. Creating the environment for protests and riots is fodder for their industry. The larger the protests and riots, the more people tune into their news.

Unfortunately, we can't stop the news from lying to people, but what we can do is give people the other side of the story. And that's why I think if we had a police program to teach kids that not only is the MSM full of shit, but police have very good reasons for doing the things they do, like tell a suspect to freeze, placing them in handcuffs even though not technically arrested, trying to get information to help solve a crime, making the situation worse or threatening by driving your car at police officers to get away. I'm sure there is a whole list of things they can teach kids about what they do for a living and the real reason they chose that line of work.

Again I agree with you. I think you have a lot more in common with the BLM and the NFL kneelers than you may think. Maybe not the extremists that dominate the MSM but most common sense supporters. I think their goals fall in line with much of what you just said

 

[Billo_Really]

Community outreach is great, but it doesn't change their views on law enforcement.

What I wrote about is a way of communication between our police and citizens--especially black citizens.

Younger black kids actually believe that white cops are out to kill them. Besides this being urban legend passed on to them by their friends and family, it's promoted by the main stream media. So if they find themselves in a situation of breaking the law, they go even further by trying to escape or harm officers because this is all they know.

MSM is a huge player in all this because they deliberately stir shit up for more news. Creating the environment for protests and riots is fodder for their industry. The larger the protests and riots, the more people tune into their news.

Unfortunately, we can't stop the news from lying to people, but what we can do is give people the other side of the story. And that's why I think if we had a police program to teach kids that not only is the MSM full of shit, but police have very good reasons for doing the things they do, like tell a suspect to freeze, placing them in handcuffs even though not technically arrested, trying to get information to help solve a crime, making the situation worse or threatening by driving your car at police officers to get away. I'm sure there is a whole list of things they can teach kids about what they do for a living and the real reason they chose that line of work.

What good reason does a cop have by putting a peaceful protester in handcuffs and then, pepper-spraying them in the face?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Community outreach is great, but it doesn't change their views on law enforcement.

What I wrote about is a way of communication between our police and citizens--especially black citizens.

Younger black kids actually believe that white cops are out to kill them. Besides this being urban legend passed on to them by their friends and family, it's promoted by the main stream media. So if they find themselves in a situation of breaking the law, they go even further by trying to escape or harm officers because this is all they know.

MSM is a huge player in all this because they deliberately stir shit up for more news. Creating the environment for protests and riots is fodder for their industry. The larger the protests and riots, the more people tune into their news.

Unfortunately, we can't stop the news from lying to people, but what we can do is give people the other side of the story. And that's why I think if we had a police program to teach kids that not only is the MSM full of shit, but police have very good reasons for doing the things they do, like tell a suspect to freeze, placing them in handcuffs even though not technically arrested, trying to get information to help solve a crime, making the situation worse or threatening by driving your car at police officers to get away. I'm sure there is a whole list of things they can teach kids about what they do for a living and the real reason they chose that line of work.

What good reason does a cop have by putting a peaceful protester in handcuffs and then, pepper-spraying them in the face?

I don't know, perhaps you can give me a clue on what you're talking about.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Very well:

Issue: football players protesting police brutality of black suspects.

Common denominator: all black suspects killed didn't listen to the orders of the police officers.

Solution to stop suspects from being killed: Obey all commands by a police officer.

Results: problem of blacks (armed and unarmed) getting killed by police officers stops.

Haha. Ray you can’t list “obey the law” as a solution. Of course that’s a solution but there are no action items on how to get that desired result. Want to try again?

Sure there are. Why don't some of these NFL billionaires fund a program that hires police officers to do assemblies in school gymnasiums? While we're at it, lets see those kneelers put some of their money where their mouth is as well.

The police can teach children how to interact with police officers if they are ever in that situation. Teach the kids how they were trained and why they make commands that they make. Teach them some of our laws that are frequently misconstrued. Teach them that no police officer wants to kill anybody; they do so because of no other choice. Their friends and family lie to them when they say that the white police are out to kill as many black folks as they can get away with.

Now if we had programs like that, would those programs likely save more black people getting killed by police or kneeling when the National Anthem is being played?

Those are all good ideas that I would support. I think if you took the time to look at the community outreach that both the NFL and many of its players do, you would be surprised. They put a tremendous amount of time and money into their communities and towards youth programs. Hopefully this discussion stirs support for more of the interactions that you mentioned between cops and the community. I think those efforts would definatey make a difference. The only way to get there is by voicing a demand for it or electing leaders who support those efforts. Wouldn’t you agree?

Community outreach is great, but it doesn't change their views on law enforcement.

What I wrote about is a way of communication between our police and citizens--especially black citizens.

Younger black kids actually believe that white cops are out to kill them. Besides this being urban legend passed on to them by their friends and family, it's promoted by the main stream media. So if they find themselves in a situation of breaking the law, they go even further by trying to escape or harm officers because this is all they know.

MSM is a huge player in all this because they deliberately stir shit up for more news. Creating the environment for protests and riots is fodder for their industry. The larger the protests and riots, the more people tune into their news.

Unfortunately, we can't stop the news from lying to people, but what we can do is give people the other side of the story. And that's why I think if we had a police program to teach kids that not only is the MSM full of shit, but police have very good reasons for doing the things they do, like tell a suspect to freeze, placing them in handcuffs even though not technically arrested, trying to get information to help solve a crime, making the situation worse or threatening by driving your car at police officers to get away. I'm sure there is a whole list of things they can teach kids about what they do for a living and the real reason they chose that line of work.

Again I agree with you. I think you have a lot more in common with the BLM and the NFL kneelers than you may think. Maybe not the extremists that dominate the MSM but most common sense supporters. I think their goals fall in line with much of what you just said

Not really because I'm thinking of solutions that are not offensive to anybody. The kneelers are just looking to start trouble and disrespect our country at the same time. They may not be the brightest people on the planet, but even they know that all this kneeling won't change one thing. They could be using their fame and money to start such a program and actually accomplish something.

 

[Slade3200]

Haha. Ray you can’t list “obey the law” as a solution. Of course that’s a solution but there are no action items on how to get that desired result. Want to try again?

Sure there are. Why don't some of these NFL billionaires fund a program that hires police officers to do assemblies in school gymnasiums? While we're at it, lets see those kneelers put some of their money where their mouth is as well.

The police can teach children how to interact with police officers if they are ever in that situation. Teach the kids how they were trained and why they make commands that they make. Teach them some of our laws that are frequently misconstrued. Teach them that no police officer wants to kill anybody; they do so because of no other choice. Their friends and family lie to them when they say that the white police are out to kill as many black folks as they can get away with.

Now if we had programs like that, would those programs likely save more black people getting killed by police or kneeling when the National Anthem is being played?

Those are all good ideas that I would support. I think if you took the time to look at the community outreach that both the NFL and many of its players do, you would be surprised. They put a tremendous amount of time and money into their communities and towards youth programs. Hopefully this discussion stirs support for more of the interactions that you mentioned between cops and the community. I think those efforts would definatey make a difference. The only way to get there is by voicing a demand for it or electing leaders who support those efforts. Wouldn’t you agree?

Community outreach is great, but it doesn't change their views on law enforcement.

What I wrote about is a way of communication between our police and citizens--especially black citizens.

Younger black kids actually believe that white cops are out to kill them. Besides this being urban legend passed on to them by their friends and family, it's promoted by the main stream media. So if they find themselves in a situation of breaking the law, they go even further by trying to escape or harm officers because this is all they know.

MSM is a huge player in all this because they deliberately stir shit up for more news. Creating the environment for protests and riots is fodder for their industry. The larger the protests and riots, the more people tune into their news.

Unfortunately, we can't stop the news from lying to people, but what we can do is give people the other side of the story. And that's why I think if we had a police program to teach kids that not only is the MSM full of shit, but police have very good reasons for doing the things they do, like tell a suspect to freeze, placing them in handcuffs even though not technically arrested, trying to get information to help solve a crime, making the situation worse or threatening by driving your car at police officers to get away. I'm sure there is a whole list of things they can teach kids about what they do for a living and the real reason they chose that line of work.

Again I agree with you. I think you have a lot more in common with the BLM and the NFL kneelers than you may think. Maybe not the extremists that dominate the MSM but most common sense supporters. I think their goals fall in line with much of what you just said

Not really because I'm thinking of solutions that are not offensive to anybody. The kneelers are just looking to start trouble and disrespect our country at the same time. They may not be the brightest people on the planet, but even they know that all this kneeling won't change one thing. They could be using their fame and money to start such a program and actually accomplish something.

I think that’s where you are wrong. Perhaps some of the kneelers want trouble but I don’t think many. I think it is an issue that they care about and they want to see changes so they are using their platform to motivate conversation. I think some will go beyond and use their time and money to focus on solutions if they aren’t already.

It is counter productive when your side solely tries and change the conversation away from their root cause and simply label them as unpatriotic trouble makers. Then the conversation turns into a fight about who loves America more and it really is pointless. I’m glad we were able to carve out some good solutions that you listed and acknowledged. I think it is fair to criticize their method of protest and point out its offensiveness, I just don’t think that critique should dominate the discussion.

 

[Billo_Really]

I don't know, perhaps you can give me a clue on what you're talking about.

Why do I have to know what I'm talking about? If we're so willing to embrace racial inequality, why can't we embrace linguistic inequality?

What I'm talking about is a reporter in St. Louis protesting the cop that got off for murder, got "kettled" with a large group of peaceful protesters, then, while in handcuffs, was pepper sprayed. What is so wrong with holding cops accountable their actions?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't know, perhaps you can give me a clue on what you're talking about.

Why do I have to know what I'm talking about? If we're so willing to embrace racial inequality, why can't we embrace linguistic inequality?

What I'm talking about is a reporter in St. Louis protesting the cop that got off for murder, got "kettled" with a large group of peaceful protesters, then, while in handcuffs, was pepper sprayed. What is so wrong with holding cops accountable their actions?

You'll have to do better than that because I can't find anything on it. I found many articles on the police pepper spraying unruly people who were trying to block the police buss, but nothing about anybody being sprayed while in handcuffs.

 

[Billo_Really]

You'll have to do better than that because I can't find anything on it. I found many articles on the police pepper spraying unruly people who were trying to block the police buss, but nothing about anybody being sprayed while in handcuffs.

Here you go...

It's Nearly Impossible for Victims of Police Brutality to Get Justice
The Sunday after Stockley’s acquittal was announced, police used a controversial tactic of mass arrests called “kettling,” ultimately taking more than a hundred people into custody through savage force. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch interviewed one activist who was arrested so roughly that he couldn’t breathe, telling the newspaper, “It was the most brutal arrest I’ve ever experienced in my life. I thought I was going to die.”

Mike Faulk, a reporter for the paper, was also among those arrested. His experience was described thus:

Multiple officers knocked Faulk down, he said, and pinned his limbs to the ground. A firm foot pushed his head into the pavement. Once he was subdued, he recalled, an officer squirted pepper spray in his face.​

The St. Louis chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists denounced Faulk’s treatment in a statement, saying, “Journalists already have much to fear in this brave new world. They should not have to fear the police as well.”​

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You'll have to do better than that because I can't find anything on it. I found many articles on the police pepper spraying unruly people who were trying to block the police buss, but nothing about anybody being sprayed while in handcuffs.

Here you go...

It's Nearly Impossible for Victims of Police Brutality to Get Justice
The Sunday after Stockley’s acquittal was announced, police used a controversial tactic of mass arrests called “kettling,” ultimately taking more than a hundred people into custody through savage force. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch interviewed one activist who was arrested so roughly that he couldn’t breathe, telling the newspaper, “It was the most brutal arrest I’ve ever experienced in my life. I thought I was going to die.”

Mike Faulk, a reporter for the paper, was also among those arrested. His experience was described thus:

Multiple officers knocked Faulk down, he said, and pinned his limbs to the ground. A firm foot pushed his head into the pavement. Once he was subdued, he recalled, an officer squirted pepper spray in his face.​

The St. Louis chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists denounced Faulk’s treatment in a statement, saying, “Journalists already have much to fear in this brave new world. They should not have to fear the police as well.”​

Oh, now isn't this grand? “It was the most brutal arrest I’ve ever experienced in my life. I thought I was going to die.”

The most brutal arrest I've ever experienced? Sounds like he's had a lot of those experiences in order to make such a comparison. How many arrests was he comparing that to? four, six, ten????

Well......I read the article and there is only one mention of being pepper sprayed while being subdued, and no, he was not in handcuffs. It was his word alone and no other accounts to support his story........at least not by the article you posted.

Reporters are no angels either. They would sell their soul to the devil for a good story.....even if they had to make it up. I don't know if he was actually pepper sprayed (and neither do you) but if he was, it was likely he was trying to fight with the officer.

 

[Slade3200]

Haha. Ray you can’t list “obey the law” as a solution. Of course that’s a solution but there are no action items on how to get that desired result. Want to try again?

Sure there are. Why don't some of these NFL billionaires fund a program that hires police officers to do assemblies in school gymnasiums? While we're at it, lets see those kneelers put some of their money where their mouth is as well.

The police can teach children how to interact with police officers if they are ever in that situation. Teach the kids how they were trained and why they make commands that they make. Teach them some of our laws that are frequently misconstrued. Teach them that no police officer wants to kill anybody; they do so because of no other choice. Their friends and family lie to them when they say that the white police are out to kill as many black folks as they can get away with.

Now if we had programs like that, would those programs likely save more black people getting killed by police or kneeling when the National Anthem is being played?

Those are all good ideas that I would support. I think if you took the time to look at the community outreach that both the NFL and many of its players do, you would be surprised. They put a tremendous amount of time and money into their communities and towards youth programs. Hopefully this discussion stirs support for more of the interactions that you mentioned between cops and the community. I think those efforts would definatey make a difference. The only way to get there is by voicing a demand for it or electing leaders who support those efforts. Wouldn’t you agree?

Community outreach is great, but it doesn't change their views on law enforcement.

What I wrote about is a way of communication between our police and citizens--especially black citizens.

Younger black kids actually believe that white cops are out to kill them. Besides this being urban legend passed on to them by their friends and family, it's promoted by the main stream media. So if they find themselves in a situation of breaking the law, they go even further by trying to escape or harm officers because this is all they know.

MSM is a huge player in all this because they deliberately stir shit up for more news. Creating the environment for protests and riots is fodder for their industry. The larger the protests and riots, the more people tune into their news.

Unfortunately, we can't stop the news from lying to people, but what we can do is give people the other side of the story. And that's why I think if we had a police program to teach kids that not only is the MSM full of shit, but police have very good reasons for doing the things they do, like tell a suspect to freeze, placing them in handcuffs even though not technically arrested, trying to get information to help solve a crime, making the situation worse or threatening by driving your car at police officers to get away. I'm sure there is a whole list of things they can teach kids about what they do for a living and the real reason they chose that line of work.

Again I agree with you. I think you have a lot more in common with the BLM and the NFL kneelers than you may think. Maybe not the extremists that dominate the MSM but most common sense supporters. I think their goals fall in line with much of what you just said

Not really because I'm thinking of solutions that are not offensive to anybody. The kneelers are just looking to start trouble and disrespect our country at the same time. They may not be the brightest people on the planet, but even they know that all this kneeling won't change one thing. They could be using their fame and money to start such a program and actually accomplish something.

Check out the discussion Anderson cooper had with Eagles Safety Malcom Jenkins during his town hall tonight. He hit on many points that we’ve been discussing