Ernie S.
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That was remarkably incoherent, even for an Alabaman.
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Strange, coming from you. Seems no one else had a problem.
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That was remarkably incoherent, even for an Alabaman.
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Tell you what, FA, let's give you everything you want, provided it becomes a felony for any corporation or its agents to have any non-official, non-public contact with any government official; and further, that it be a felony for any public official to receive any money or any employment from a corporation, for a period of ten years after he leaves office.Marriage tax breaks, tax breaks for children, tax subsidies to green energy companies, tax subsidies for buying the approved governmental light bulb, tax subsidies for oil, tax deferments for large corporations manufacturing or office space, tax subsidies for the government approved window or water heater, special tax considerations for investments over labor, obamacare applying to different entities with different rules (like unions) governmental kickbacks for states that pass certain laws (anyone know how drinking laws were nationalized). Really, did you have to ask such an obvious question? Virtually everything the government does these days is targeted to one group or another rather than the general welfare.Can you please instances where the federal government is targeting "anybody or anything for favorable treatment"?
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Maybe I'd stop the creation of islam....
Can you imagine how much more advanced humanity would be?
Yeah, get rid of those god-damn bigots! Crush them, destroy them, annihilate them!! · ·For a much better result, I would eliminate bigots.Maybe I'd stop the creation of islam....
Can you imagine how much more advanced humanity would be?
Which is exactly the point I was making!! ALL attempts to deal with corruption will end in failure because it is not just the politicians and financiers who are corrupt, it is the whole system of government that is corrupt and stupid !!No. That sounds nice but the fact is that it will not work. Simple as that. Take all that and politicians will find a way around it. The company will hire a cousin or a spouse for millions a year and have them do nothing. Or they will pay in advance before they are in the seat.Tell you what, FA, let's give you everything you want, provided it becomes a felony for any corporation or its agents to have any non-official, non-public contact with any government official; and further, that it be a felony for any public official to receive any money or any employment from a corporation, for a period of ten years after he leaves office.
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As long as politics gives favors to companies that pay, companies will pay. The ONLY way to stop that is to remove the politicians power to curry corporate favor, period. As the other posters have pointed out, all this finance reform and attempt to cut the moneyed interests out have achieved exactly zip to date.
Which is exactly the point I was making!! ALL attempts to deal with corruption will end in failure because it is not just the politicians and financiers who are corrupt, it is the whole system of government that is corrupt and stupid !!No. That sounds nice but the fact is that it will not work. Simple as that. Take all that and politicians will find a way around it. The company will hire a cousin or a spouse for millions a year and have them do nothing. Or they will pay in advance before they are in the seat.Tell you what, FA, let's give you everything you want, provided it becomes a felony for any corporation or its agents to have any non-official, non-public contact with any government official; and further, that it be a felony for any public official to receive any money or any employment from a corporation, for a period of ten years after he leaves office.
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As long as politics gives favors to companies that pay, companies will pay. The ONLY way to stop that is to remove the politicians power to curry corporate favor, period. As the other posters have pointed out, all this finance reform and attempt to cut the moneyed interests out have achieved exactly zip to date.
You characters who think that the answer is to go back to the situation before Teddy Roosevelt -- you're just incredibly stupid and blind. The corruption and malfeasance at every level of government and business after the Civil War is legendary all over the world !!
You guys are either totally igonorant of history, or you are being deliberately deceptive.
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Please keep your rose-colored glasses away from me !!Before it was just the less noble side of humankind doing its thing and, when it became intolerable, the people would eventually have enough and throw the bums out. People who hold the power collectively generally do get around to doing the best thing as they learn what is mutually beneficial for all.
NOW you're going to get it !!So what system would YOU go to. Dont forget, I have heard all about the fact that you would replace our constitution and, even though you claim to have a replacement already, it has been completely devoid of details or facts. Now is your chance.Which is exactly the point I was making!! ALL attempts to deal with corruption will end in failure because it is not just the politicians and financiers who are corrupt, it is the whole system of government that is corrupt and stupid !!
If you could go back in time and stop one historical event in the history of the planet, what would it be?
Which is exactly the point I was making!! ALL attempts to deal with corruption will end in failure because it is not just the politicians and financiers who are corrupt, it is the whole system of government that is corrupt and stupid !!No. That sounds nice but the fact is that it will not work. Simple as that. Take all that and politicians will find a way around it. The company will hire a cousin or a spouse for millions a year and have them do nothing. Or they will pay in advance before they are in the seat.
As long as politics gives favors to companies that pay, companies will pay. The ONLY way to stop that is to remove the politician’s power to curry corporate favor, period. As the other posters have pointed out, all this finance reform and attempt to cut the moneyed interests out have achieved exactly zip to date.
So what system would YOU go to?
Which is exactly the point I was making!! ALL attempts to deal with corruption will end in failure because it is not just the politicians and financiers who are corrupt, it is the whole system of government that is corrupt and stupid !!
So what system would YOU go to?
The US Constitution amended to specifically deny congress the power it thinks it has to customize the tax code for the individuals and industries who pay them, and amended to require that public budgets be balanced.
The beauty of the US Constitution is that it's a short read. It's not a lot of words. I pray for the day when the same can be said of the tax code.
Fair and simple taxes, public budgets that are balanced by law, transparency in all things politics and then, build an economy that your spawn can drive to the stars.
It ain't rocket science, y'all.
If you could go back in time and stop one historical event in the history of the planet, what would it be?
I've always wondered what this planet would be like if Chris Columbus and crew had met a big sister of Katrina and Sandy on their first voyage, resulting in their never returning to Europe.
Western 'Civilization' and, in particular, the ruling classes and their government models circa 1500 acquiring access to such a vast rush of poorly defended resources really skewed Monkey evolution profoundly.
What if the European 'discovery' of the Americas was delayed until after the Catholics and their Inquisition were rendered impotent by popular demand? Nobody knows what the end of the Inquisition years would have looked like if America had remained a secret for a few more decades, but history shows that the populace was just about fed up with that particular influence on the ruling class when Chris came home with his discovery.
What if the Europeans had learned to share better before they found the rest of us?
So what system would YOU go to?
The US Constitution amended to specifically deny congress the power it thinks it has to customize the tax code for the individuals and industries who pay them, and amended to require that public budgets be balanced.
The beauty of the US Constitution is that it's a short read. It's not a lot of words. I pray for the day when the same can be said of the tax code.
Fair and simple taxes, public budgets that are balanced by law, transparency in all things politics and then, build an economy that your spawn can drive to the stars.
It ain't rocket science, y'all.
No, it really isn’t BUT you cannot manipulate that which everyone understands so it needs to SEEM like rocket science for the central authority to have its overbearing power.
If we went to a simple code, congress would lose a LOT of power and the rulers don’t like that one bit.
If you could go back in time and stop one historical event in the history of the planet, what would it be?
I've always wondered what this planet would be like if Chris Columbus and crew had met a big sister of Katrina and Sandy on their first voyage, resulting in their never returning to Europe.
Western 'Civilization' and, in particular, the ruling classes and their government models circa 1500 acquiring access to such a vast rush of poorly defended resources really skewed Monkey evolution profoundly.
What if the European 'discovery' of the Americas was delayed until after the Catholics and their Inquisition were rendered impotent by popular demand? Nobody knows what the end of the Inquisition years would have looked like if America had remained a secret for a few more decades, but history shows that the populace was just about fed up with that particular influence on the ruling class when Chris came home with his discovery.
What if the Europeans had learned to share better before they found the rest of us?
Then we would not have the grate nation of America.
What created this nations prosperity is a combination of the fact that we have great wealth in the resources here and that when we were discovered, Europe was in such turmoil. Essentially, the world drove some of the best and brightest thinkers out of their home nations and to the promise of a new land. Part of what created the great opportunity here was the sheer fact that the rest of the world was in such turmoil.
What makes you think that what has happened in America is "progress"?That begs the question of whether or not progress = happiness.
"Progressive" advances in technology?As the term is usually used in this context to convey progressive advances in technology as it's made available to the middle classes, that's how I'm using it here.