If this is progress...

[maineman]

You do keep trying to change the subjet, don't you?

no....you post a wacko youtube clip and try to impeach all liberals and claim that such behavior is indicative of the democratic party...I only ask if that sort of broad brush condemnation works both ways?

why can't you answer the question? why, whenever you get yourself painted into a corner with your irrational rhetoric, do you always run away and never admit you fucked up?

 

[red states rule]

no....you post a wacko youtube clip and try to impeach all liberals and claim that such behavior is indicative of the democratic party...I only ask if that sort of broad brush condemnation works both ways?

why can't you answer the question? why, whenever you get yourself painted into a corner with your irrational rhetoric, do you always run away and never admit you fucked up?

When I see these Pro Terrorist rallies I never see any sign supporting the troops, or the US

All I see is hate and rage for this country and the usual gang of liberal idiots

 

[maineman]

When I see these Pro Terrorist rallies I never see any sign supporting the troops, or the US

All I see is hate and rage for this country and the usual gang of liberal idiots

and everytime I see the pictures of dead abortion doctors or the blown up building in OK city, I never see any republicans supporting our government or the US. All I see is hate and rage for this country and the usual gang of conservative crazies like Rudolph and McVeigh.

All of you republicans must be just like those guys...all of you republicans must want to kill abortion doctors.

 

[red states rule]

and everytime I see the pictures of dead abortion doctors or the blown up building in OK city, I never see any republicans supporting our government or the US. All I see is hate and rage for this country and the usual gang of conservative crazies like Rudolph and McVeigh.

All of you republicans must be just like those guys...all of you republicans must want to kill abortion doctors.

No, just put them out of business

 

[maineman]

no.... it is clear to me by looking at images of dead abortion doctors that ALL pro-life republicans want to kill abortion doctors. that is what those pictures clearly tell me.

 

[red states rule]

no.... it is clear to me by looking at images of dead abortion doctors that ALL pro-life republicans want to kill abortion doctors. that is what those pictures clearly tell me.

Libs do seem to have an obsesion with butcher shops

Libs believe women are smart enough to decide if they want to have the child, but they are not smart enough to raise them without their help

 

[maineman]

Libs do seem to have an obsesion with butcher shops

Libs believe women are smart enough to decide if they want to have the child, but they are not smart enough to raise them without their help

and republicans all want to murder abortion doctors. clearly. you cannot deny that.

 

[red states rule]

and republicans all want to murder abortion doctors. clearly. you cannot deny that.

Only in your mind MM

I see alot of libs screaming for surrender in Iarq and smearing the troops - not many support them with their actions

 

[maineman]

Only in your mind MM

I see alot of libs screaming for surrender in Iarq and smearing the troops - not many support them with their actions

I have never screamed for surrender in Iraq and know of NO elected democrat who has ever called for America to surrender there.

And I support the troops every single day and every single week with my actions.

 

[red states rule]

I have never screamed for surrender in Iraq and know of NO elected democrat who has ever called for America to surrender there.

And I support the troops every single day and every single week with my actions.

Oh?

Why tell the terrorists when we are going to leave? Why are libs trying to assume CIC duties form the President? Why are Dems conducting their won foreign policies?

Their "Surrender At All Costs" bill is plenty of evidence of their intentions

Your actions like hoping for failure in Iraq

Keep your support to yourself - please

 

[maineman]

Oh?

Why tell the terrorists when we are going to leave? Why are libs trying to assume CIC duties form the President? Why are Dems conducting their won foreign policies?

Their "Surrender At All Costs" bill is plenty of evidence of their intentions

Your actions like hoping for failure in Iraq

Keep your support to yourself - please

we tell the Iraqis when we are going to leave so that they will have an incentive to step up to the plate and take on the job of governing themselves. No one is trying to assume CIC duties...democrats in congress have the power of the purse...and they have the responsibility for oversight. they are exercising their constitutional responsibilities. and no one wants to surrender at any cost in Iraq. I hope for success in Iraq...and the soldiers and guardsman that receive the fruits of my support efforts disagree with you.... considering that you yourself have never been in harm's way, it is pretty selfish of you to try to deny those that are the support of those who have.

 

[red states rule]

we tell the Iraqis when we are going to leave so that they will have an incentive to step up to the plate and take on the job of governing themselves. No one is trying to assume CIC duties...democrats in congress have the power of the purse...and they have the responsibility for oversight. they are exercising their constitutional responsibilities. and no one wants to surrender at any cost in Iraq. I hope for success in Iraq...and the soldiers and guardsman that receive the fruits of my support efforts disagree with you.... considering that you yourself have never been in harm's way, it is pretty selfish of you to try to deny those that are the support of those who have.

The Ike should have told the press when we were going to land in France on D-day

Then the French could step up to the plate revolted against the Germans

Libs are trying to take over the third branch of government - and seeing their recent poll numbers - they will be shit out again in 08

What support MM? Libs seem to be supporting the trerrorists and not the troops

 

[maineman]

The Ike should have told the press when we were going to land in France on D-day

Then the French could step up to the plate revolted against the Germans

Libs are trying to take over the third branch of government - and seeing their recent poll numbers - they will be shit out again in 08

What support MM? Libs seem to be supporting the trerrorists and not the troops

comparisons to Ike are irrelevant. We are talking about Iraqis and Iraqis...there are no invading occupying armies in Iraq other than our own.

You can mischaracterize the constitutional actions of congressional democrats all you like.

and I have told you often of the various actions I take on a weekly basis to support our troops. No democrat I know of supports terrorists.

 

[maineman]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-04-18-nitric-acid_N.htm

things are so peaceful around Baghdad now.... you can take a stroll around the marketplace just like you were back in the good old US of A.

If this is what the neocons mean when they say that the surge is working, what is their definition of "not working"?

 

[Superlative]

Oh?

Their "Surrender At All Costs" bill is plenty of evidence of their intentions

Your actions like hoping for failure in Iraq

Keep your support to yourself - please

The US staying, like it or not.

All i hear from you is "Cutting and Running" "Surrender at all costs"

Whats the plan then?

All I see are politicians argueing back and forth about money, whats the plan?

I dont see bush offering a plan of action other than "Troop Surge"

In all honesty you cant have a deadline for withdrawl without a plan, and you cant have a plan without a deadline.

Its like Bush is stalling or procrastinating for some reason, its not getting better, all the US is doing is waiting for something, what exactly no one knows but the administration.

On the surface, it appears to be getting worse, the whole place is exploding everyday.

What is the delay?
Is the US waiting for it to get better so they can declare victory?

Thats what they are asking for, patience, 'just wait, until it works'

There needs to be a strategy some kind of plan needs to be offered.

patience is not a plan of action.

 

[maineman]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-04-18-nitric-acid_N.htm

things are so peaceful around Baghdad now.... you can take a stroll around the marketplace just like you were back in the good old US of A.

If this is what the neocons mean when they say that the surge is working, what is their definition of "not working"?

hey RSR...why don't you pull up that old fictional piece about us seeing a 60% decrease in American casualties?

 

[maineman]

and here I thought the surge was such a success! what gives????

 

[red states rule]

and here I thought the surge was such a success! what gives????

THE IRAQ SURGE:
WHY IT'S WORKING ...
By GORDON CUCULLU



March 20, 2007 -- 'I WALKED down the streets of Ramadi a few days ago, in a soft cap eating an ice cream with the mayor on one side of me and the police chief on the other, having a conversation." This simple act, Gen. David Petraeus told me, would have been "unthinkable" just a few months ago. "And nobody shot at us," he added.

Petraeus, the new commander managing the "surge" of troops in Iraq, will be the first to caution realism. "Sure we see improvements - major improvements," he said in our interview, "but we still have a long way to go."

What tactics are working? "We got down at the people level and are staying," he said flatly. "Once the people know we are going to be around, then all kinds of things start to happen."

More intelligence, for example. Where once tactical units were "scraping" for intelligence information, they now have "information overload," the general said. "After our guys are in the neighborhood for four or five days, the people realize they're not going to just leave them like we did in the past. Then they begin to come in with so much information on the enemy that we can't process it fast enough."

In intelligence work - the key to fighting irregular wars - commanders love excess.

And the tribal leaders in Sunni al Anbar Province, the general reports, "have had enough." Not only are the al Qaeda fighters causing civil disruption by fomenting sectarian violence and killing civilians, but on a more prosaic but practical side, al Qaeda is bad for business. "All of the sheiks up there are businessmen," Petraeus said. "They are entrepreneurial and involved in scores of different businesses. The presence of the foreign fighters is hitting them hard in the pocketbook and they are tired of it."

A large hospital project - meant to be one of the largest in the Sunni Triangle - had been put on hold by terrorist attacks when al Qaeda had control of the area. Now it's back on track. So are similar infrastructure projects.

The sheiks have seen that the al Qaeda delivers only violence and misery. They are throwing their lot in with the new government - for example, encouraging their young men to join the Iraqi police force and army. (They are responding in droves.)

Petraeus has his troops applying a similar formula in Baghdad's Sadr City: "We're clearing it neighborhood by neighborhood." Troops move in - mainly U.S. soldiers and Marines supported by Iraqi forces, although that ratio is reversed in some areas - and stay. They are not transiting back to large, remote bases but are now living with the people they have come to protect. The results, Petraeus says, have been "dramatic."

"We're using 'soft knock' clearing procedures and bringing the locals in on our side," he notes. By being in the neighborhoods, getting to know the people and winning their trust, the soldiers have allowed the people to turn against the al Qaeda terrorists, whom they fear and loathe. Petraeus says his goal is to pull al Qaeda out "by its roots, wherever it tries to take hold."

Another change: an emphasis on protecting of gathering places like mosques and marketplaces. "We initiated Operation Safe Markets," Petraeus said, "and have placed ordinary concrete highway barriers around the vulnerable targets." Car bombings have dropped precipitately - the limited access thwarts them.

As a result, "The marketplaces, including the book market that was targeted for an especially vicious attack, are rebuilding and doing great business. It is helping the local economy enormously to have this kind of protection in place." With jobs plentiful and demand growing, the appeal of militia armies declines proportionally.

Nor is the Iraqi government simply standing aside and allowing U.S. and Coalition forces to do their work. The Shia prime minister walked the Sunni streets of Ramadi recently, meeting and greeting the people - "acting like a politician," Petraeus said, without malice. "He is making the point with them that he intends to represent all sectors of Iraqi society, not just his sectarian roots."

Rules of engagement (ROE), highly criticized as being too restrictive and sometimes endangering our troops, have been "clarified." "There were unintended consequences with ROE for too long," Petraeus acknowledged. Because of what junior leaders perceived as too harsh punishment meted out to troops acting in the heat of battle, the ROE issued from the top commanders were second-guessed and made more restrictive by some on the ground. The end result was unnecessary - even harmful - restrictions placed on the troops in contact with the enemy.

"I've made two things clear," Petraeus emphasized: "My ROE may not be modified with supplemental guidance lower down. And I've written a letter to all Coalition forces saying 'your chain-of-command will stay with you.' I think that solved the issue."

Are the policies paying off? "King David" as Petraeus is known from his previous tour of duty up near the Syrian border, is cautiously optimistic. "Less than half the al Qaeda leaders who were in Baghdad when this [surge] campaign began are still in the city," he said. "They have fled or are being killed or captured. We are attriting them at a fearsome rate."

Virtually everyone who knows him says that David Petraeus is one of the brightest, most capable officers in today's Army. "He is the perfect person for the job," retired Major Gen. Paul Vallely noted.

Early signs are positive; early indicators say that we're winning. As Petraeus cautiously concluded, "We'll be able to evaluate the situation for sure by late summer." That's his job. Our job? We need to give him the time and space needed to win this war.

Gordon Cucullu is a retired U.S. Army officer and a member of Benador Associates. His book on Guantanamo is due out this fall.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/0320200..._____opedcolumnists_gordon_cucullu.htm?page=0

 

[maineman]

oped pieces versus casualty figures.

bullshit versus facts

 

[Superlative]

oped pieces versus casualty figures.

bullshit versus facts

What do you expect from him?

His facts are opinions, its foolproof.

you cant prove opinions wrong.