If The US spends over $600 billion on their military...

[Mudda]

No, the topic is: if we spend so much (regardless of the actual amount), why can't we beat nothing countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, Nam, Korea...

Obama's 8 years of an apology tour

So you don't know. Got it. Thanks for playing.

Sounds like you're stuck in the mudda. Can't figure out how to reply so you post junior high "got it". LOL

Try answering the actual topic.

Your going in circles and don't even know what the topic is about


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Why can't we beat Afghanistan with all the money we spend? C'mon, last chance.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The war was over in Iraq ..the idiot started it back up

The war we lost in Iraq was over. Agreed.

Obama tried to lose the war


No?

He inherited an already lost war.

Your knowledge on this topic is underwhelming. Try again after you do some research.

My son's infantry unit was the last combat brigade out of Iraq. They had no difficulties.

Less than two years later they were in Afghanistan and battling the Taliban daily. Rocket attacks hit their main base almost daily.

See the difference?

We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, now you know.

You know nothing. We have lost nothing.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Obama's 8 years of an apology tour

So you don't know. Got it. Thanks for playing.

Sounds like you're stuck in the mudda. Can't figure out how to reply so you post junior high "got it". LOL

Try answering the actual topic.

Your going in circles and don't even know what the topic is about


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Why can't we beat Afghanistan with all the money we spend? C'mon, last chance.

What's happening in Afghanistan?

 

[miketx]

So you don't know. Got it. Thanks for playing.

Sounds like you're stuck in the mudda. Can't figure out how to reply so you post junior high "got it". LOL

Try answering the actual topic.

Your going in circles and don't even know what the topic is about


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Why can't we beat Afghanistan with all the money we spend? C'mon, last chance.

What's happening in Afghanistan?

Let him check CNN real quick and then he'll get back to you.

 

[sakinago]

Technology cost a lot of money, you ever hear of a B2 getting shot down?

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I also never heard of a B2 bomber that was in a war that was won.

...Desert Storm?

Not a true win, we let them off the hook right at the end. That's like fighting the Nazis all the back to Berlin and then stopping just before you take out Hitler.

Operation Desert Storm was the US-led coalition response to Saddam Hussein invading Kuwait. The stated goals of the Operation were: 1 - destroy Iraqi capability to produce and employ weapons of mass destruction.

Didn't happen though, did it? They felt the need to go back in to get the WMDs.

...a full decade later. Unless you suggests it takes longer than 10 years to make WMDs

 

[Uncensored2008]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

No, because the US is going up against 300+ countries.

Since we get zero support from erstwhile allies, save Israel and Britain, that puts us on the lean side of the equation.

Of course the right answer is fuck Europe, they are on their own. Protect our own shores and let the rest burn.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Why can't we beat Afghanistan with all the money we spend? C'mon, last chance.

We don't want to beat them.

We did in 2002 and utterly crushed them. Had we left at that time, this would be a great victory. Sadly we have a disease started by George Marshall that causes us to uncontrollably nation build - which is a complete disaster every time it's tried.

We can easily defeat Afghanistan, bomb them to rubble.

Rebuilding is their problem, that's the whole fucking point - that we totally miss.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It's so much more enjoyable for our leaders to send in the sons of the expendable classes to get slaughtered than it is to put a quick end to the enemy by using nukes.

Nothing gets them all patriotic and weepy faster than seeing those flag draped coffins.

Dykes on Hikes

Draft the Preppies and their boytoys who run away to college to get out of the draft. No one is allowed to say it, but the reason the military is desperate enough to take transgenders and put woman in combat is because the "voluntary Army" (actually an economic draft, as always) does not attract enough recruits.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

Part of the problem is, our military's rules for engagement are stricter than our own police forces rules of engagement. I'm not advocating for total war, but there definitely needs to be a better balance than what we have. And military isn't an area we should judge based on spending. It should be judged based on wether or not the weapon systems deliver on their promises.

It's funny to see the left always go after military spending...but remain silent in every other area of spending. This past year, the Fed govt spent 1 TRILLION erroneously. That doesn't mean spent it on useless stupid stuff, that means they made payments somewhere they weren't supposed to. 1 TRILLION...that's 1/3 of what the USG takes in annually for taxes! That's 5% of the nations entire GDP! And you want to complain about how much military spending we have? 71% percent of US spending is on entitlements alone, and that number has been increasing sharply in the past few years, before it has been increasing steadily. I think there are more pressing matters we need to address in spending other than military.

Not complaining about the money spent, just wondering why when spending all that cash, we can't beat a poor country on heroin, like Afghanistan, who have no planes, no tanks, no big cannons or bombs...

PETA ROEs

The Taliban have the Geneva Convention; that's all they need to win. It protects human shields and subhuman killers as long as they hide their weapons and don't wear a uniform.

 

[Mudda]

The war we lost in Iraq was over. Agreed.

Obama tried to lose the war


No?

He inherited an already lost war.

Your knowledge on this topic is underwhelming. Try again after you do some research.

My son's infantry unit was the last combat brigade out of Iraq. They had no difficulties.

Less than two years later they were in Afghanistan and battling the Taliban daily. Rocket attacks hit their main base almost daily.

See the difference?

We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, now you know.

You know nothing. We have lost nothing.

We found no WMD and lost control of the country after destroying it. Now go stick your head back in the sand.

 

[Mudda]

I also never heard of a B2 bomber that was in a war that was won.

...Desert Storm?

Not a true win, we let them off the hook right at the end. That's like fighting the Nazis all the back to Berlin and then stopping just before you take out Hitler.

Operation Desert Storm was the US-led coalition response to Saddam Hussein invading Kuwait. The stated goals of the Operation were: 1 - destroy Iraqi capability to produce and employ weapons of mass destruction.

Didn't happen though, did it? They felt the need to go back in to get the WMDs.

...a full decade later. Unless you suggests it takes longer than 10 years to make WMDs

And they found no WMD. So it was a pointless invasion.

 

[Weatherman2020]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

You are correct.

Time to turn the sand of the arab nations into glass.

 

[Mudda]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

No, because the US is going up against 300+ countries.

Since we get zero support from erstwhile allies, save Israel and Britain, that puts us on the lean side of the equation.

Of course the right answer is fuck Europe, they are on their own. Protect our own shores and let the rest burn.

The US is not going up against 300+ countries, lol. Trying and get a grasp on reality, then try again.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

Part of the problem is, our military's rules for engagement are stricter than our own police forces rules of engagement. I'm not advocating for total war, but there definitely needs to be a better balance than what we have. And military isn't an area we should judge based on spending. It should be judged based on wether or not the weapon systems deliver on their promises.

It's funny to see the left always go after military spending...but remain silent in every other area of spending. This past year, the Fed govt spent 1 TRILLION erroneously. That doesn't mean spent it on useless stupid stuff, that means they made payments somewhere they weren't supposed to. 1 TRILLION...that's 1/3 of what the USG takes in annually for taxes! That's 5% of the nations entire GDP! And you want to complain about how much military spending we have? 71% percent of US spending is on entitlements alone, and that number has been increasing sharply in the past few years, before it has been increasing steadily. I think there are more pressing matters we need to address in spending other than military.

Not complaining about the money spent, just wondering why when spending all that cash, we can't beat a poor country on heroin, like Afghanistan, who have no planes, no tanks, no big cannons or bombs...

It's called asymmetric warfare. Meaning they don't fight like a traditional army, wearing uniforms, or hold land, or fight in a formation. Instead you blend in with the native population, plant a IED, go back to hiding and wait. Or you hide a gun, wait for an ambush opportunity, then hide among civilians used as human shields. We further tip the scales when are rules of engagement are more strict than our own law enforcement are. In that our troops don't make a move until fired upon, terrorist get the first shot. We're also talking about a country that doesn't really want freedom, made up of farmers taught by farmers, whose kids they send to fight with the taliban for money or food.

So we 're fighting wrong, and I agree. Time to change tactics because what we're doing now isn't getting the job done.

Technology cost a lot of money, you ever hear of a B2 getting shot down?

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I also never heard of a B2 bomber that was in a war that was won.

...Desert Storm?

Not a true win, we let them off the hook right at the end. That's like fighting the Nazis all the back to Berlin and then stopping just before you take out Hitler.

Operation Desert Storm was the US-led coalition response to Saddam Hussein invading Kuwait. The stated goals of the Operation were: 1 - destroy Iraqi capability to produce and employ weapons of mass destruction.

Didn't happen though, did it? They felt the need to go back in to get the WMDs.

Appointment in Samarra

As if DubDud would have sent ground troops in to get massively destroyed by those weapons if he really thought Saddam had them. As if Saddam would have sent those imaginary weapons to his enemy in Syria, instead of using them on the Chickenhawk-in-Chief's troops. He didn't even send his sons away. Unlike our preppy princes, they felt an obligation to defend their regime with their lives.

 

[Mudda]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

Part of the problem is, our military's rules for engagement are stricter than our own police forces rules of engagement. I'm not advocating for total war, but there definitely needs to be a better balance than what we have. And military isn't an area we should judge based on spending. It should be judged based on wether or not the weapon systems deliver on their promises.

It's funny to see the left always go after military spending...but remain silent in every other area of spending. This past year, the Fed govt spent 1 TRILLION erroneously. That doesn't mean spent it on useless stupid stuff, that means they made payments somewhere they weren't supposed to. 1 TRILLION...that's 1/3 of what the USG takes in annually for taxes! That's 5% of the nations entire GDP! And you want to complain about how much military spending we have? 71% percent of US spending is on entitlements alone, and that number has been increasing sharply in the past few years, before it has been increasing steadily. I think there are more pressing matters we need to address in spending other than military.

Not complaining about the money spent, just wondering why when spending all that cash, we can't beat a poor country on heroin, like Afghanistan, who have no planes, no tanks, no big cannons or bombs...

PETA ROEs

The Taliban have the Geneva Convention; that's all they need to win. It protects human shields and subhuman killers as long as they hide their weapons and don't wear a uniform.

The US doesn't abide by the GC, never has, never will.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

Part of the problem is, our military's rules for engagement are stricter than our own police forces rules of engagement. I'm not advocating for total war, but there definitely needs to be a better balance than what we have. And military isn't an area we should judge based on spending. It should be judged based on wether or not the weapon systems deliver on their promises.

It's funny to see the left always go after military spending...but remain silent in every other area of spending. This past year, the Fed govt spent 1 TRILLION erroneously. That doesn't mean spent it on useless stupid stuff, that means they made payments somewhere they weren't supposed to. 1 TRILLION...that's 1/3 of what the USG takes in annually for taxes! That's 5% of the nations entire GDP! And you want to complain about how much military spending we have? 71% percent of US spending is on entitlements alone, and that number has been increasing sharply in the past few years, before it has been increasing steadily. I think there are more pressing matters we need to address in spending other than military.

Not complaining about the money spent, just wondering why when spending all that cash, we can't beat a poor country on heroin, like Afghanistan, who have no planes, no tanks, no big cannons or bombs...

PETA ROEs

The Taliban have the Geneva Convention; that's all they need to win. It protects human shields and subhuman killers as long as they hide their weapons and don't wear a uniform.

The US doesn't abide by the GC, never has, never will.

Obstruction of Justice

Whatever you want to call the unrealistic Rules of Engagement you know we are forced to fight and lose under, those must be repealed. All the wars we've lost have been like playing football where the home team's fans are allowed to come onto the field and the visiting team will be penalized if any of its players run into those protected human shields. There's no such person as a non-combatant in a combat zone. It is one of the many contradictions "our" sheltered rulers force us to live under, in order to put us in our place and even put us into our graves.

 

[danielpalos]

The war we lost in Iraq was over. Agreed.

Obama tried to lose the war


No?

He inherited an already lost war.

Your knowledge on this topic is underwhelming. Try again after you do some research.

My son's infantry unit was the last combat brigade out of Iraq. They had no difficulties.

Less than two years later they were in Afghanistan and battling the Taliban daily. Rocket attacks hit their main base almost daily.

See the difference?

We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, now you know.

So know you are posting false reality?


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Winning should have meant, ending our alleged War on Terror.

 

[danielpalos]

He inherited an already lost war.

Your knowledge on this topic is underwhelming. Try again after you do some research.

My son's infantry unit was the last combat brigade out of Iraq. They had no difficulties.

Less than two years later they were in Afghanistan and battling the Taliban daily. Rocket attacks hit their main base almost daily.

See the difference?

We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, now you know.

So know you are posting false reality?


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We've lost once in each place already during the Bush era, and the Obama era wars aren't going that well.

We didn't lose any war in the bush era, we bombed them till there was nothing left to take out, it was Obama's responsibly to maintain the peace and he didn't.

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Why an Actual, Invasion of the Middle East if not to End War for All time.

 

[danielpalos]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

75% of the US military budget is a make-work program for people in red states. It is welfare for those people. It isn't needed. The US spend $650 billion/yr on defense, China spends $140 billion/yr. Yet cons scream daily how scared they are and how the US military is so bad and depleted.

It is pure welfare for defense contractors in red states. That's it. It is socialism for the wealthy companies in those states.

Ya, that probably explains a lot of it, like getting charged $2 billion for ONE B2 bomber...

Technology cost a lot of money, you ever hear of a B2 getting shot down?

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Thank you for advocating for real times of War Technology, Tax Rates.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Obama tried to lose the war


No?

He inherited an already lost war.

Your knowledge on this topic is underwhelming. Try again after you do some research.

My son's infantry unit was the last combat brigade out of Iraq. They had no difficulties.

Less than two years later they were in Afghanistan and battling the Taliban daily. Rocket attacks hit their main base almost daily.

See the difference?

We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, now you know.

You know nothing. We have lost nothing.

We found no WMD and lost control of the country after destroying it. Now go stick your head back in the sand.

We did not lose control. Obama abandoned Iraq. Facts are facts. My son's Stryker Brigade was the last combat unit that left Iraq in 2010. When did ISIS start taking over?