If the ACA succeeds, the GOP may be history

[mudwhistle]

The ACA is designed to fail.

No chance of it succeeding.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No one cares if there is a disagreement in our constitutional republic.

What we agree on is that we follow the law until it is changed.

The beauty of the law is no necessity to conciliate a minority exists "so both are treated equally" unless SCOTUS finds a constitutional violation.

The argument over ACA is not constitutional, merely procedural. And that can be easily fixed Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean you get to opt out of it.

 

[regent]

It sounds like the Social Security arguments all over again, but I think Bush's attempt to privatize Social Security was the Republican's last ditch effort to kill SS. If that time-line is any guide Republicans will accept ACA in about 75 years, and then in another five years, Republicans will be saying it was really their program all along.

 

[dblack]

What will it mean for the ACA to "succeed". The overt goal is to cement the insurance industry as a permanent fixture in our health care. Is that success?

 

[regent]

What will it mean for the ACA to "succeed". The overt goal is to cement the insurance industry as a permanent fixture in our health care. Is that success?

Too late to exclude the insurance companies; they had to be in on the deal; it's the American way.

 

[Zander]

Obamacare is not health care, it's insurance. Shitty, overpriced insurance. Bravo Democrats. You rewarded your corporate masters while pretending to be for "the people".

 

[regent]

Obamacare is not health care, it's insurance. Shitty, overpriced insurance. Bravo Democrats. You rewarded your corporate masters while pretending to be for "the people".

So what was the Republican health plan?

 

[dblack]

What will it mean for the ACA to "succeed". The overt goal is to cement the insurance industry as a permanent fixture in our health care. Is that success?

Too late to exclude the insurance companies; they had to be in on the deal; it's the American way.

No, it's not. There didn't need to be a 'deal'.

 

[dblack]

Obamacare is not health care, it's insurance. Shitty, overpriced insurance. Bravo Democrats. You rewarded your corporate masters while pretending to be for "the people".

So what was the Republican health plan?

Obamacare WAS the Republican plan.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Obamacare is not health care, it's insurance. Shitty, overpriced insurance. Bravo Democrats. You rewarded your corporate masters while pretending to be for "the people".

Then it was not socialism?

 

[rdean]

No, the GOP is not only the Anti-ACA Party. As long as the Democrats exists the GOP will exist and the other way around.

Look at CPAC. It was a contest on who hates Obama the most. No policies. Nothing "smart". Nothing "new". Just white people hating the first black president.

Hi rdean and JimH52
Your comments above equating opposition to the President based on race only
are exploiting and furthering endemic harm, by dividing people by race and party.

This has continually damaged the rights of Black citizens and leaders to know and enforce their rights under laws without imposing and enforcing divisive mindsets and segregation of power keeping them from uniting.

I know you must mean well, but this has caused more and more damage to the Black community and to our nation as a whole.

I have been trying to work with Black leaders and voters to understand their Constitutional laws and rights as citizens.

And your comments implying that Constitutional attempts to check Govt are only "white people against black"
and insinuating this is "all about race" are the VERY type of propaganda that dissuades and discourages
some of the most vulnerable citizens from uniting and empowering themselves with knowledge of the laws.

I am a prochoice Asian American Democrat who has been volunteering to save a national Black historic district
from being completely destroyed by such divisive politics.

The key issue is enforcing Constitutional protections equally for all citizens.
Making everything a race issue causes more division that has destroyed our nation, our economy, our democratic system.

We need to unite if we are going to rebuild our economy and country, and save our historic legacy and landmarks for future generations to build upon.

Please reconsider the impact of your accusations, and what it will really take to resolve objections to govt problems.
Making divisive remarks about race does nothing to encourage working together to solve problems, but makes them worse.

When you have a party that is 90% white and the meager 10% that's left over is black, Hispanic, Asian, Native American and anyone else who doesn't see themselves as white, then you have an enormous divide among the nation. Pretending it doesn't exist or that pointing it out is "overblown" plays right into the hands of racist haters. The GOP leadership has referred to the president again and again in the most base racist terms. Tar baby, boy, man child, Kenyan, mulatto, uppity and so on. Worse, even Republicans admit to voter suppression. I would rather Republicans come right out and be honest with their racism than pretend it doesn't exist. You need to know America's enemies to defend against them.

As far as the constitution, perhaps you should spend time doing a little research. Start here:

Google

There has been a reoccurring joke since early in Obama's presidency. If you want Republicans to hate a policy, even one of their own, Obama only needs to say he likes it.

 

[emilynghiem]

No, the GOP is not only the Anti-ACA Party. As long as the Democrats exists the GOP will exist and the other way around.

Look at CPAC. It was a contest on who hates Obama the most. No policies. Nothing "smart". Nothing "new". Just white people hating the first black president.

Hi rdean and JimH52
Your comments above equating opposition to the President based on race only
are exploiting and furthering endemic harm, by dividing people by race and party.

This has continually damaged the rights of Black citizens and leaders to know and enforce their rights under laws without imposing and enforcing divisive mindsets and segregation of power keeping them from uniting.

I know you must mean well, but this has caused more and more damage to the Black community and to our nation as a whole.

I have been trying to work with Black leaders and voters to understand their Constitutional laws and rights as citizens.

And your comments implying that Constitutional attempts to check Govt are only "white people against black"
and insinuating this is "all about race" are the VERY type of propaganda that dissuades and discourages
some of the most vulnerable citizens from uniting and empowering themselves with knowledge of the laws.

I am a prochoice Asian American Democrat who has been volunteering to save a national Black historic district
from being completely destroyed by such divisive politics.

The key issue is enforcing Constitutional protections equally for all citizens.
Making everything a race issue causes more division that has destroyed our nation, our economy, our democratic system.

We need to unite if we are going to rebuild our economy and country, and save our historic legacy and landmarks for future generations to build upon.

Please reconsider the impact of your accusations, and what it will really take to resolve objections to govt problems.
Making divisive remarks about race does nothing to encourage working together to solve problems, but makes them worse.

When you have a party that is 90% white and the meager 10% that's left over is black, Hispanic, Asian, Native American and anyone else who doesn't see themselves as white, then you have an enormous divide among the nation. Pretending it doesn't exist or that pointing it out is "overblown" plays right into the hands of racist haters. The GOP leadership has referred to the president again and again in the most base racist terms. Tar baby, boy, man child, Kenyan, mulatto, uppity and so on. Worse, even Republicans admit to voter suppression. I would rather Republicans come right out and be honest with their racism than pretend it doesn't exist. You need to know America's enemies to defend against them.

As far as the constitution, perhaps you should spend time doing a little research. Start here:

Google

There has been a reoccurring joke since early in Obama's presidency. If you want Republicans to hate a policy, even one of their own, Obama only needs to say he likes it.

Sweetheart: why do you insist on using race to divide instead of to unite?
The Constitution protects ALL beliefs, so ALL groups can organize by interest, and invest resources
into building their own programs without FEAR of competing with each other.

The most successful schools, businesses and programs serving in the Black community
focus on empowering and building their own base.

It sounds to me you are suffering under "SCARCITY" mentality of the worst kind.

Look up "Abundance" mentality and that's where people are no longer victims.
Abundance mentality is what has empowered former victims to rise above and be equal as anyone else!

rdean, the "poor Black public housing residents" in my district
WROTE UP THEIR OWN PLANS AND PASSED THEM AS FEDERAL LEGISLATION
http www.houstonprogressive.org

How empowering is that? To pass historic legislation, renovating public housing
as a sustainable campus model for breaking the cycle of poverty and ending dependence on welfare?

Oh, wait. It was the Black Democrats who tore down the buildings and evicted the residents
to censor their plans. It was the Democrats in office who went along with corporate developers to keep their offices.

It wasn't race alone, but it was class and party politics, selling out to corporate interests.

People were so used to blaming whites or blacks, nobody fixed the problem
so the history continues to get destroyed.

This political division has to end that is handicapping the Black leaders by keeping them from uniting.

Either use race to unite, or don't play that card at all.
It isn't helping but just destroying the nation.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

I don't like the GOP...but they are not history.